First_Backer_Inside

From what I understand it is the job of the school to police and enforce themselves....I'm sure every program in the state can be trusted to follow the rules. Just like every program follows the rules of limited-contact.

Yes...if they aren't already. I think I mentioned previously, all it takes is a wealthy alumni to open up an account with a couple thousand dollars in it. Figure out the best players at the school, figure out good players in the area, and offer money for them to come play at the alumni's high school. Technically if the athlete isn't wearing school attire everything should be within the rules it sounds like. The school isn't involved at all. I wanna know which school is going to have the first local dealership handing out cars and trucks to players to drive for a year. That athlete just better not wear school attire while driving the vehicle, they will probably have to park a block away from the school and walk the rest of the way so they aren't on campus property with the vehicle to avoid any trouble.

Thank you for the example. Not bashing on anything from your post I appreciate it. But...can we see the massive amount of grey area this is going to cause. Just from the example, how do we know what is right and what is wrong? How many schools are going to start a "non-school affiliated booster club" that can just pay athletes out of the donated fund to go their school? I just don't see this going over very well, but what do I know? I'm just a dumb math teacher and football coach.

Fair point

While I'm on my rant, this goes with other threads that have been discussed over the last month or so, but we wonder why we are losing more and more great coaches at the high school level. We wonder why no one wants to stick with a program for 15-20 years, why they get burnt out. It's right here, one more thing for coaches to have to worry about that has nothing to do with the actual game of football itself. It's why coaches lose their passion and love for coaching the sport they grew up loving and playing that they want to pass on to the next generation. How long before high school football players are making more money than the guys coaching them?

I believe this is what they are voting on. It says in what I read that they are to have no connection with the school name, uniform, etc... My question is how are we going to regulate all 412 some schools with multiple sports on this? We already have problems following the rules of limited contact apparently. How are we going to make sure every athlete in the state of Indiana isn't making so many dollars from the school booster club or using the school name, colors, etc to make more money? The answer is there is no way we can, so why even open the door for this to happen? Has the IHSAA learned nothing from what the college level is going through once they opened up this pandora's box that is NIL?

The fact that this is even being talked about is absurd.

I guess I can't give you an answer for those bigger schools. I don't have much experience with them. For the smaller schools it is more difficult to get some guys on the all-state teams, so all-conference is the only recognition some of them can get.

To say Carroll doesn't have the talent to beat the Indy schools is ridiculous. They beat HSE to go to state. They played a Westfield team tough in my opinion with the score not reflecting the competitiveness of that game. As mentioned above, they just need to keep taking next steps to get that state title. Right now they believe it is scheduling better competition. If that helps pull them closer to the indy schools and makes them more consistent against them its a positive step. If they still can't win it all they need to take another step in some way. Cignetti said it perfectly at the coaches clinic this year. You need to constantly be changing what you are doing to improve. Cignetti himself said he doesn't want consistency with how his team played last year. If they are staying consistently where they were last year someone else will be improving and pass them up. What can Carroll do to catch up to the Indy schools? What are the Indy schools doing to keep them from taking that leveling step? I think in order for it to happen Crown Point, Penn, and Carroll have to push one another to make that jump. Those are the teams that can get it done. Maybe Merrillville can eventually get to that level, but they are at the disadvantage right now with enrollment. Those four teams need to be playing each other throughout the year rather than some of their conference opponents they play against instead.

The most frustrating sport to see avoid these rules is wrestling. Slap the word club onto anything wrestling and now it can be done all year. I doubt starting a football club would change the rules for us.

Understandable, however, will those have any affect on all-conference eligibility? Not being eligible for the conference championship to me means you are no longer apart of that conference. If that is the case, one could argue you can no longer put up players for all-conference. I would hope players are still eligible, but just a thought I'm sure the other schools might bring up when voting on players.

I would just for the fact that anything they could get from those conferences, they have in the TRC already. Recently Wabash and Whitko have been towards the bottom of the conference most years. Joining those conferences would be a lot of the same. The others are able to be competitive in the TRC every other year. I don't think they would be able to do that in the other two conferences. I will say the Wabash schools are going to do whatever they agree on. So if you get one you're going to get the other three. I just don't think 3 of them would think it's a good idea which would mean that the one that might be interested would end up staying if that makes sense.

All good, just wondered what your reasoning was. I assumed it was due to Harding's success. If my memory serves me right, that's where a lot of the Harding students went to when the school closed down correct?

South Side has won two sectionals and a regional in their school history. Not sure that fits my definition of showing out. Are you including what Harding did during their time as a school as South Side?

Nothing would happen with the TRC. I don't know much about the other conferences. I can only speak for the TRC.

It is frustrating, but gotta do what you gotta do for yourself and your family.

Pretty sure this was the regional game. So more like trip to the semi-state on the line. Then Pioneer beat South Adams 31-14 so you could say South Adams got what they deserved. You could say North Miami missed out on a Regional Championship, however they lost to Pioneer 22-41 in the regular season so they probably would've lost the next week. This basically boils down to a lot of what-ifs. Is it a shame? Yes. Can we change it now? No. Did the refs miss the call? Yes. Are they human and make mistakes? Yes. Can we now move on? I hope so.

Not an IU fan, was happy for them this year, big Cignetti fan tho(just for context of what I'm about to say). Listened and watch practice film from the IU DB coach at the state clinic. Watching Ponds in drills as a DB coach myself brought a tear to my eye. The kid is amazing. Brings a different physicality to the corner position that I feel has gone away in today's college and pro game. Anyone who gets him I look forward to watching how his professional career goes. Not a Bears fan either, but would be cool if Ponds played for them. I think he would gel with the mentality the Bears and their organization has right now.

Was unaware of this. This might be a more dominant dynasty than Cael Sanderson and the Penn State wrestling program.

I'm sure they will bounce back, the great programs always due. Even all the way up here in Rochester Indiana, the northerners know to respect Linton football.

I would think Glenn will be announced soon. I keep hearing they have found their guy. No idea who it is or if they have released anything on it yet.

They also had the right team at the right time. What if this last year was one of the random years Chatard is back down in 3A. Does Cascade win 3A then? What if Heritage Hills was down in 3A? They're team could have beaten any 3A team on any given night.

I hope so. The conference is stronger when the Knights have good football teams.

Kilroys probably fits better anyway for the liquid diet you stick to.

Three of the four sectional champions from the North in 2A are now in 3A. The other one was moved to the South along with a couple of new faces moving from 1A to 2A. Will be interesting who the favorites for 2A are that emerge. I would say the Brownstown Central has to be one due to going to state last year. Not sure what they return from last years team. You also have the 1A state champions in South Putnam in the South as well. Lapel played in the semi-state game last year in the South. They are now in a North Sectional. I would say they are the favorites in the North.