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Warren 8, Snider 0............end of 1st Punt return for a touchdown and two offensive turnovers, and several penalties for Snider in the 1st quarter. This game has been all defense so far.

Wayne 21, Attucks 6 East Noble 7, Luers 0

I think all you're going to find on youtube are the summitcitysports games. Northside/Northridge, Dwenger/Brownsburg, Luers/East Noble. Snider/Warren and Carroll/HSE are pay per view.

Never said it made one team faster than the other. I said it gives the faster team the advantage. Not sure why what I'm saying is so hard to comprehend. I guess agree to disagree on this one.

The best is when a fellow fan turns to you and says, "this game should be easy, our record is much better than theirs." That happens every time an Indy team comes to town. Anyway, good writeup. I enjoy reading your MIC and HCC threads.

I get what you're saying, but............... I don't look at these games as lose/lose. If Warren beats Snider, they get to say "we beat Snider." The Panthers finished the Sagarin ratings last year as the state's 15th ranked team and appear to be on a similar path this season. Same with Brownsburg. A win over Dwenger is never going hurt your resume. Warren Central and Brownsburg chose winnable games against formidable opponents (teams that hit back when you hit them). Not sure how that's a lose/lose proposition. I get that a program doesn't want to lose to a smaller class team, but that's the chance you take when scheduling "winnable" games. No different than Snider scheduling East Noble. For Warren and Brownsburg, the "lose" would be getting defeated by a smaller school. The "win" would be defeating programs that have played in 17 state championships between them. I can assure you that folks up here in Fort Wayne are looking at Carmel, Warren Central, Hamilton Southeastern, and Brownsburg and saying "woah, was this such a good idea?" But no matter how you slice it, I think there's some statewide interest in the first ever Indy vs Fort Wayne showdown in the regular season. I think it's an interesting way to start the season.

I heard Concordia struggled in the scrimmage vs East Noble, but some coaches don't play scrimmages to "win." Why no optimism for the Cadets this year? No Tae or King? Upset special of the week?

Correct. But you and I both know that teams like Ben Davis and Warren Central rely heavily on speed, whereas Penn always relied on strength and mechanics. I'd want to slow them down by any means possible. If Penn played one of those schools on a neutral field, and the Penn coach had the opportunity to pick turf or grass, 100/100 coaches would pick grass. Does rain and snow affect the favorite and the underdog equally? I would argue no. Bad elements brings a good team's level of play down to their opponent. I think it was an Indy poster who called it "the great equalizer." I'm not saying grass is an equalizer by any means, far from it. I'm just saying that if I don't have a bunch of speed burners myself, then I sure as hell don't want to play a bunch of speed burners on turf. I agree, Ben Davis could have dropped 100 on Penn in 2017 if they wanted to. But I'd bet they wouldn't hit 63 on grass. I'm not sure how turf wouldn't make a difference. Create a poll Temp. I'll only concede if 80% of the vote is your favor. Wouldn't that favor a team that relied heavily on speed?

Yes. A player is faster on turf than he is on grass (short grass). That's not an opinion. Absolutely, one hundred percent, would a team like Penn be better served playing someone like Ben Davis or Warren Central on grass. Unless it's snowing or raining, the outcome is still the same, but by a lessor margin. I'm not sure how this is even debatable.

Brownsburg over Dwenger - This game will be closer than most expect Carmel over Homestead - Greyhounds by multiple scores Carroll over HSE - Chargers still searching for respect Scecina over Concordia - Close game East Noble over Luers - Should be a tight game New Haven over Northrop - Bulldogs appear to be dangerous Warren Central over Snider - Mega school on an upswing, that's tough to overcome South Side over Marion - New coach, new attitude, Archers 1-0 Wayne over Crispus Attucks - Overlooking Attucks would be a huge mistake North Side over Northridge - Legends need to be prepared to get hit back in this one, could be close

Yes.

Anyway, not to hijack the BD/IMG thread. Good luck to the Giants, I hope they make a good showing.

They've played in the regular season four times before, so it shouldn't be a surprise that they scheduled one another. They are 2-2 in those games. In that thread, Temp was asking what would make Snider a contender in 5a.........by coming within how many points of Warren Central. My number was 17, and that's not a knock on Snider. It's more about having half the resources WC has and catching them on an upswing. Many are predicting Warren to be one of the best teams in 6A this year. Snider's planning on winning on Friday night, no doubt about it..........and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they did. But I've got to go with the Warriors in this one.

Looks good otherwise, good work.

In an interview with wane.com last night, coach Jason Garrett confirmed that Bishop Dwenger is indeed playing in the 4A tournament this year. Go to wane.com, click on sports then click high schools. They also have footage of several Fort Wayne area scrimmages.

Hamilton Southeastern in the south, Carmel in the north?

C'mon. You really think the outcome would be exactly the same at Freed Field? Same winner and loser, different score though. On turf, 50 at most at Freed Field.

I think this is Snider's year to host Homestead on campus.

Penn has always been a different team at Freed Field. Some people would go as far as saying that "real" football is played on grass, similar to "real" football being played in the elements. Going by that definition, those embarrassing blowouts at state to the Indy teams are a lot less blowouts on grass. In your opinion, would it serve Penn better if they had a turf field? Maybe they could see more speed that way before they head to Lucas Oil.

Agree with all. I just think Hartman is a game changer. A playoff appearance wouldn't be a surprise in my opinion. Going 2/3 against the big three will get them there as long as there are no other hiccups.

Did Penn have turf back then? Different outcome on grass.

I don't think you are alone. Maybe the culture has changed in the last decade or two, but unsportsmanlike conduct was pretty common in the 90's. There was an arrogance there.

Who? Completely forgot that Vanderbilt was in the SEC.

A big shout out to all high school coaches who volunteer their time to coach up and teach these kids.........regardless of their number of wins. I would include most paid positions as volunteer work as well, since from what I've been told, their compensation is less than minimum wage considering the amount of time they put in. I do realize this is a touchy topic, so I'll bow out. But before I do, I just want to add: 1. The most asinine idea I've heard here on this forum is the elimination of 1A football, but that's just me. Hopefully Rodney isn't offended, I don't feel like tangling with him right now.

First of all, I said "chances are." Meaning, more times than not. Secondly, I never said coaches don't "put in the work." I'm sorry if my comment offended you, but I've been around long enough to know that, NORMALLY, the hardest working coach or player wins. No different than real life. If you're a coach and you're not preaching that to your kids, then you might be in the wrong profession if championships are your main goal. Maybe I'm just old school. When something goes wrong, I point the finger at me. Not backing off my comment. I'm also a firm believer in 'get better or get used to it.' When a program goes decades winning championships, it would be an insult to say that their coaching staff isn't doing something different. Sure, there's lots of variables involved like recruiting, socioeconomic factors, and enrollment (why they have classes). That's why I choose my words like "chances are" and "normally" carefully. Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Question: Is every high school weight room overflowing packed on Saturday mornings every weekend of the year? I know one that is. It's located somewhere in Central Indiana.