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1 minute ago, Yuccaguy said:
Not even close to the ESL situation... Perhaps you don't realize as ridiculous of a comparison to Tech you raised?
It's not a ridiculous comparison. It's an impoverished area with similar demographics to that of the Tech High School makeup who excels in many sports despite that fact. Temp has told us for years that if you have an 80-90% f/r lunch rate and aren't in the top half of your classification enrollment, you have no chance of succeeding athletically. ESL is a singular example that completely contradicts this narrative on top of the many examples I have provided in the past.
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Just now, Yuccaguy said:
The East Saint Louis Athletic program in NO WAY can even be compared to that of Tech.
ESL McKinley and ESL Lincoln closed within that district years ago and THAT gave them a multitude of athletic ability that was able to be tapped into. It was a self-sustaining situation.
Add that to the legacy of the Women's (and Men's) Track and Field programs, the Basketball programs (including ESL Lincoln); How is a HS withing a a LARGER ISP District (Tech) even on par, or could even be compared?
Clearly (the) ESL Flyers have taken pride in their athletic programs, so much so, that kids OUTSIDE of their district (and Illinois) transfer there to participate in their activities. Big time difference!
Is that not what IPS has done over the years? Shutdown multiple high schools to consolidate down towards one bigger high school?
And IPS is 6x larger than ESLD, not sure you know what you're talking about.
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5 minutes ago, temptation said:
Can I hear more details about how Tech could “try harder?”
Implement some kind of youth/feeder program sponsored by the IPS. Make Tech an attractive high school again. If every Tech district player didn't play for X private school or X Twp school and instead actually played at Tech, your attitude about Tech not being to compete would drastically change because you and I both know better. But because IPS doesn't care, why should any Tech area kid care to play there? It's a two-way street. I've given you plenty of examples over the years of other inner-city districts around the country all fielding highly competitive football teams all with lesser enrollments and similar f/r lunch participants. I suggest Tech start there.
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2 minutes ago, temptation said:
Because you make it seem like hood schools/schools with obvious barriers just need to “try harder” and they could be dominant football programs.
I've never used the word dominant, EVER, when describing a possible future for a program like Tech. More like "better" or "more competitive". Again you're reaching.
4 minutes ago, temptation said:Does the ground up include home life? So many variables beyond a coaches’ control at a place like Tech.
It can stretch to whatever necessary measure. If East St. Louis can put together a nationally rated football program, Tech certainly can win 6 or 7 games once in a blue moon. One school district tries, the other doesn't.
6 minutes ago, temptation said:I’ve said it before…Nick Saban couldn’t win a state title at Tech. There’s a reason they cycle through coaches every 2-3 years.
Nick Saban didn't win anything until he went to LSU, you know a school with a proud tradition who is all-in.
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1 minute ago, temptation said:
Any hood. Compare the roughly 2000-2500 students at CG, Tech, Perry and Southport and tell me that the latter three just simply need to dedicate more time to their youth/feeder programs, build a culture, and hire the right guy, lol.
Why do you have to go to the most extremes? CG is the pinnacle of Indiana High School Football. I'm not asking Tech, Perry, or Southport to become the best high school football program in the state nor do I think it's attainable.
But you're delusional if you don't think with the right support staff and commitment from the ground up that Tech could become more than a respectable football program.
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30 minutes ago, temptation said:
Exceptions to every rule. Come work in the hood and tell me that all schools are created equal based upon enrollment, feeder programs and "culture", lol.
Which hood?
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1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:
Where can I go to review these schools "disadvantaged population" percentages assuming one buys into your "socioeconomic" theory?
In your mind, Carmel is really screwed for football. Too many "soft wealthy kids" contribute to a much too large student body.
Getting back to your theory that 5000+ students is the kiss of death for football success, ever hear of Allen High School in Texas?
The school's football team -- the defending state champs in Texas' largest classification -- just won its 30th straight game. Since the program made national news by opening its $60 million stadium in 2012, the Eagles haven't lost at home.
Allen has won five state football titles over the last 10 years, a decade of success that ranks among the best-ever runs in Texas high school football history.
Allen is a juggernaut, in the truest sense. And so is its high school.
Allen has nearly 6,700 students from 9th to 12th grade -- the largest high school in the state by 1,000 students -- and one of the largest in the nation.
Wait till he finds out that there are *inner city districts all over the country (outside of Indiana) that have teams who dominate at the state level with 80-90% of the school population on f/r lunch.
*I suspect he already knows however.
44 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:Is it a cycle for this current batch of players in the school? Is it something being played out in the homes? Could it be something within the program itself that is causing the teams to be not as competitive to their normal standards?
High school football talent is almost ALWAYS cyclical.
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39 minutes ago, BTF said:
At the minimum, they should be one of the Top 5 teams in the state every year. But if their coach is one of those guys who is required to teach all day, coach for pennies on the dollar, then go home and tend to his family, then we could have an issue. Some good coaches actually do do that, but I wouldn't blame a guy for putting family before football based on their pay scale. In simple terms, if you took one coach and cloned him to coach every team in the state, Carmel should come out on top 50% of the time and hit Top 5 status 100% of the time.
Carmel's youth programs, especially at the Junior High level, is in shambles I've been told. Participation numbers are significantly down and the most affluent of the Junior High's had some of the lowest numbers they've ever seen. There seems to be some real disconnect between the high school program and the junior high feeder schools. How much of that lies solely on the varsity coaching staff can be debated but it's definitely factoring in to their recent lack of success.
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Just now, temptation said:
You can keep doing this all night. It won’t ever change the fact that the root of the problem is the same common denominator; lack of commitment/structure at the lower levels.
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Just now, temptation said:
Again, also on North Central. There was a period in time not too long ago that Washington Twp didn’t have a youth football program in existence. Inexcusable.
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1 minute ago, temptation said:
Like I said, that’s on Tech/IPS.
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22 minutes ago, Grover said:
What are you even talking about? This has nothing to do with CG. It is about Carmel and your incorrect take on having more students. No big deal. It's hardly the first time you've been wrong.
I disagree with Temp that having 5,000 students is a detriment, but do agree in a sense that at some point enrollment becomes redundant/irrelevant. If you have 2500-3000 kids in your school and can’t find 60-80 boys to field a competitive football team, that’s on you.
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5 minutes ago, temptation said:
You can only put 11 varsity football players on the field at once. Same with basketball. Two sports in which Carmel is not among the state's elite currently. Not a coincidence.
You're trying really hard though. Its cute.
I mean Carmel essentially won basically back to back state titles in 19 and 21 (tourney cancelled in 20 after winning sectional and likely favorite to come out of the North). Carmel might not be the favorite to win 4A this year but they're certainly a top 10 team if not better.
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4 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:
Agree....they play some of the state's top programs and go outside the state to also play stellar competition....absolutely a 6A schedule and a darn good one too.
In Cathedral's 3 stints at the 6A level
2015: 2 OT loss to Avon in regional final
2016: Drubbing to eventual 6A champion Ben Davis in the regional who went 15-0 and arguably one of the best 6A teams ever
2022: Semi-state loss to eventual 6A Center Grove, a team they beat earlier in the season. Should be noted Cathedral avenged their only regular season loss to Brownsburg the round prior.
Don't think depth has ever been the root of the problem. It certainly wasn't in 2015 and 2022 and nobody in 6A was touching that 2016 Ben Davis team.
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15 minutes ago, HomeCookin said:
They do not play a HCC or MIC equivalent regular season schedule. Once the get into the tournament is when that schedule begins. Roncali and Chatard are far from 6A, and although Chatard is always good they would struggle with an HCC schedule because they don’t have the depth. Penn and Lafayette Jeff would be below average too.
I didn't say they played a MIC or HCC equivalent schedule, I said they played a 6A equivalent schedule.
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2 minutes ago, HomeCookin said:
Cathedral is evidence to your point. Once they get in the tournament and have to play 6A schools every week their depth becomes an issue. That IMO is why they haven’t been able to finish in 6A.
They play a 6A equivalent schedule during the regular season so not really sure that argument holds much water. They've lost to the eventual 6A champion in 2/3 years they've played in the 6A tournament.
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On 10/21/2023 at 12:09 AM, Bash Riprock said:
Michigan suspends the staffer in question Connor Stalions
I have a tough time believing Stalions was attending games on his own dime without the direction of a certain individual at the top. Military men are naturally good at following “orders”.
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25 minutes ago, Titan32 said:
I used my 100k to buy a boat instead of a ring...why would I be miserable LOL?
A former boat owner or something like that once told me boats don’t buy happiness, just DUI attorneys and misery.
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1 hour ago, Titan32 said:
Sticks and Stones....Remember this "just bought my kid a ring"....Jesus loves us for FREE!
Your ring $105,240
My ring $0.00
Having Jesue love us for free.....priceless!
You sound miserable
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11 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:
Why would Brian Hartline decide to take his 1st HC job at IU, when he could be a candidate for much more attractive jobs. He is making 1.6 Million as is, so its not for lack of $$ being paid, thats for sure. He is very well regarded nationwide for his recruitment of top end and development of those top end WRs. Don't see him saying, yes, lets go to IU for his first stint as a HC
Because this is the first year Brian Hartline has ever held a title above position coach and if he really wants the Ohio State job down the road, getting some experience, especially in conference, probably isn't a terrible idea. And $4-4.5 million a year is a lot more than $1.6 million. His ability to recruit obviously makes him attractive, but if you're a bigger program, gambling on a 36 year old with very little play-calling duties is a decent risk. IU however couldn't get any worse. Now, it's very possible OSU has named him CIW internally and they won't let him leave, but I imagine Hartline at some point is going to want to take on a role where he has much more responsibility.
11 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:Now, a guy that I think make sense, JaMarcus Shepard, FT Wayne own, Has the personality and skill set to lead, has great knowledge of the state of Indiana, has been very successful at his 2 stops, PU and Washington. It was rumored that if Purdue hired WKU HC (and not Walters) that he was going to head to WKU for his first HC opportunity.
I like Shepard but he's like the D-list version of Hartline. Has never held a title past Co-OC (which he didn't call the plays) and I think just lacks the experience to be thrown into a job like IU.
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4 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:
Darn Coaches...told them wear Ohio State merch!!!!
Late 80's Temp?
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3 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
Frankly this is a stupid rule.
My question is: How dumb or negligent would you have to be to get caught doing something like this? I haven't heard one instance of a team getting caught doing this in all my years of existence and didn't even know there was such a rule that existed, apparently enacted in 1994.
Most B10 stadiums seat what, 70-80k? How do you get caught doing something like this in a sea of people that big and have it trace all the way back to Michigan?
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I'll be the first to question if Michigan is actually the only team that does this, but man, Michigan and Harbaugh just can't help themselves.
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3 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:
Been a fan of IU my whole life, last Rose Bowl appearance I believe was in January, 1966. I was born in December, 1966 so I have never seen them in the Rose Bowl. Man, this is depressing just typing that…
Anyways, IU has not come close to being relevant in football in my lifetime so I think it is fair to say what I’ve said. They suck, period.
Oh they're terrible, and worst part they don't care. They would be on a relegation short list of P5 teams.
Temp's 6A Tournament Predictions
in The Indiana High School Football Forum
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East St Louis is the only school district in America to ever consolidate? I guess I do learn something new every day.