2024 NFL Season Catch all

[Coach Nowlin]

2 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Cmon Coach...its not about total calls and you know that....its the timing of those calls that really matter.  Seems the questionable type call that benefit the Chiefs happen at critical parts of games and on downs that really matter.  And its not just penalties, but decisions such as the 4th down Buffalo play that old Gene even disagreed with on the telecast.  When you have former players that are either in the booth, on social media, or on TV shows the next morning discussing the questionable calls week after week, I am not sure how you so easily dismiss these discrepancies.  

I would agree that the Line of Gain was a tough call to swallow 

I would like to see technolgy implemented to stop the madness of the spot of the ball, the Ref from Bills side looked like he had it marked to a 1st down, the Ref on the Chiefs side had it slighly behind the other guy.   

I guess we are to say in this great game of football, the outcomes are solely on just 1 play in the 4th quarter?   Is that how this works now?   

Players are paid to have content hit the airwaves, of course the narrative is there for the coutnless drivel that is these egregious calls as many are complaining about.    There will be discussion, doesn't mean the NFL and Referee's are in bed to make sure the Chiefs win every game the last 3 years of the playoffs.    

[Coach Nowlin]

6 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I understand how you saw it...no question.  But I am reading several former NFL players this morning that do not agree with your thoughts. But hey....all that matters is how the officials saw it.  I believe a 3rd down play correct? I guess when you are the champs...critical calls and decisions seem to fall their way.  A great team blessed with lady luck I suppose.....

Has Center Grove and HOF legend Coach ever recieve these things too?   

Did MJ? 

Does Lebron? 

Does Josh Allen ( gets more calls than Pat according the data) 

Did Tom Brady? 

Was the strike zone benefit Greg Maddox?  Mo Riveria? 

So if you want to have a conversation about HUMAN BIAS vs NFL RIGGED sure, Human Element is real, my hope is that the gentleman (Or gals, not sure if any made it this far) that are assigned the game can peform their duties without bias.   

[temptation]

1 hour ago, gonzoron said:

It's not sour grapes from me. I acknowledge they are an excellent team. They are excellent enough to win without the referee's being told to assist them. Whether that is coming straight from the NFL, or just the official's natural bias, I don't think we'll ever get the true answer, but it isn't necessary and that is the problem I have with them.

"referee's"...improper use of a non-possessive word.

(Hey, this is kind of fun.)

[Sparty]

15 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Right on

I will dive heeper I am sure this week

From just last night watching over the replay, I thought the Ball was possessed by Bills player, nose of ball hit ground while the white gloves of the Bills player had it wrapped on the side of the ball, when ball made contact nose down, I did not see the ball budge at all, that would constiute a completed catch based on countless other plays since the new adaptation of the catch rule, when the Chiefs WR was on his back, is when he stole the ball to create the joint possession.   

Thats how I saw it last night but have yet to go back to watch other videos and other trained officials and how it unfolds

 

So if the Bills DB caught the ball (as explained above), comes to the ground, is downed by contact (obviously), THEN the chiefs player snatches the ball from his hands, then it shouldve been Bulls ball.  
 

I agree 100% will it was a catch.  I do not think it was duel possession though as I explained above.  Oh well.  

[Sparty]

5 minutes ago, temptation said:

"referee's"...improper use of a non-possessive word.

(Hey, this is kind of fun.)

Well played 

[gonzoron]

58 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

https://www.nflpenalties.com/

 

Except this is an independent website not affiliated with the NFL that tracks all the penalties in their impact on the game 

 

But hey your eyes says one thing 

Factual data says another 

Cheers 

There is too much money on the line and all that when you are in bed with gambling websites as corporate sponsorship 

The integrity of that entertainment availability in this nation and cost the world makes everybody who thinks that everything is rigged complete and utterly false 

I know it's fun to run with those internet narratives. It's just not factual in nature 

 

 

Do you have a survey that tracks the calls that weren't made but should have been?

I didn't think so.

10 minutes ago, Sparty said:

then it shouldve been Bulls ball.

Who are the Bulls? I thought this was a football thread?

[Bash Riprock]

11 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I would agree that the Line of Gain was a tough call to swallow 

I would like to see technolgy implemented to stop the madness of the spot of the ball, the Ref from Bills side looked like he had it marked to a 1st down, the Ref on the Chiefs side had it slighly behind the other guy.   

I guess we are to say in this great game of football, the outcomes are solely on just 1 play in the 4th quarter?   Is that how this works now?   

Players are paid to have content hit the airwaves, of course the narrative is there for the coutnless drivel that is these egregious calls as many are complaining about.    There will be discussion, doesn't mean the NFL and Referee's are in bed to make sure the Chiefs win every game the last 3 years of the playoffs.    

I get it Coach...one tough call shouldn't be a reason to win or lose.  Ultimately, Buffalo owns it....had they made a catch on an incredible Allen throw off his back foot on 4th down in Q4 with the blitz in his face...or had Buffalo been able to stop KC late in Q4 to get the ball back...or it Buffalo would have simply kicked XP's instead of going for 2 early in the game, who knows?  So without question, they own the loss.

But, critical calls do matter...in the case of the questionable ball placement on 4th down, not only did that take potential points off the board for the Bills, but it also gave KC a shorter field.  KC capitalized and scored a TD.  That call, could have easily been a 14 point swing in the game.  That one really, really hurt the Bills.  

I am not saying there is a definite NFL conspiracy going on....but do I believe the champs get the benefit of the doubt by the officiating crew....you betcha.  The worst part with all of the allegations going on about NFL league influence, league officials are being pretty darn quiet.  Perhaps they need to step up and put the fire out.

[Bash Riprock]

17 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Has Center Grove and HOF legend Coach ever recieve these things too?   

Did MJ? 

Does Lebron? 

Does Josh Allen ( gets more calls than Pat according the data) 

Did Tom Brady? 

Was the strike zone benefit Greg Maddox?  Mo Riveria? 

So if you want to have a conversation about HUMAN BIAS vs NFL RIGGED sure, Human Element is real, my hope is that the gentleman (Or gals, not sure if any made it this far) that are assigned the game can peform their duties without bias.   

You evidently were not at the opening game with Westfield this season.  BTW, I am not sure there is a team that gets hit with more holding calls than CG.  

Again, its not the volume of calls Coach...its the timing or criticality of the call, non-call, or decision. (such as ball placement) 

BTW, I have never used the word "rigged".....but I do think there is an obvious benefit of the doubt...and that benefit comes as critical stages of games.  Even ESPN shows on this morning talked about the need for a team to have a 2 TD lead late in games against KC so that the officials can't make a decision that would influence the outcome.  (former NFL head coach)

Edited January 27, 2025 by Bash Riprock

[Coach Nowlin]

Glad to see you do not subscribe to the NFL is rigged and the officials are in on it narrative 

That's all my point is.  

Rest of the conversation is based on biases of how you choose to consume the event

The national Armchair Morning shows playbook is to keep people talking and controversy, how they maintain their viewership 

 

[Muda69]

2 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Glad to see you do not subscribe to the NFL is rigged and the officials are in on it narrative 

 

I subscribe to to the NFL is rigged and the officials are in on it narrative.  

And it currently because of two words:  Taylor Swift.

https://www.sportico.com/personalities/people/2024/taylor-swift-effect-nfl-attendance-girls-social-marketing-1234798352/

 

[Coach Nowlin]

Love to hear in detail how they are able to pull this off, going on a 3rd year.........

 

[Coach Nowlin]

I enjoyed this piece. Said nugget information 

Back to have video for the 1954 Cotton Bowl is tremendous

 

https://x.com/KyleBrandt/status/1883897619174584555?t=dXBzIUdtJlrsUnv6hvDY7A&s=19

 

 

[Coach Nowlin]

Ding Ding Ding 

 

Woody finally may understand 

 

 

 

 

[Coach Nowlin]

If you're interested in seeing how everything works in the NFL from an agent's point of view and the Chicago Bears hire.  

I especially enjoyed how they planted the narrative for the Bears to see after they fired flus.  

 

 

[Bobref]

I confess to being endlessly fascinated by the tragic/comic soap opera that is the Dallas Cowboys. Having done nothing of any significance for 30 years, Jerry still maintains they are America’s Team … and the most recent valuation of the franchise seems to bear that out. A lot of my fascination consists of staring, open-mouthed in astonishment, at the latest display from the owner/GM/face of the franchise. How a guy can be so successful in business, and not be self-aware enough to realize he’s a major impediment to on-field success, continues to escape me. The alternative, of course, is that winning is subordinate to economic success in Jerry’s priorities.

[Bobref]

On 1/27/2025 at 10:29 AM, Coach Nowlin said:

I would like to see technolgy implemented to stop the madness of the spot of the ball, the Ref from Bills side looked like he had it marked to a 1st down, the Ref on the Chiefs side had it slighly behind the other guy.   

The NFL assigns officials to the playoffs in “mixed” crews, i.e., officials are assigned on their individual merit, not according to their crew’s rating. The officials on a playoff crew may not have worked with any other crew member all season. Utilizing cross-field mechanics to get a critical 4th down forward progress spot on a play like that is a lot more difficult than it looks on TV, and familiarity with your opposite number on the line of scrimmage helps a lot.

Remember, those two line of scrimmage officials are each >25 yds. from the middle of the field. And at field level, they are looking through a lot of very large bodies trying to find the football. In the end, they talked it over, as they should, and the Referee went with the official they thought had the better view.

Edited January 29, 2025 by Bobref

[Sparty]

Maybe it’s time to change the rule and use the entire crew?

[Coach Nowlin]

But if you are an expert at your position within your crew and have earned a rating to warrant your super bowl nod, why would that matter being part of a crew at that level? 

If you are BJ, then why does it matter who your Umpire is ?  Your job as U is your job, not working with the BJ before shouldn't have a negative effect on your job as U? 

What am I missing? 

 

[gonzoron]

3 hours ago, Sparty said:

Maybe it’s time to change the rule and use the entire crew?

Agree. Somebody better mark that down.

[Coach Nowlin]

5 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Agree. Somebody better mark that down.

why would having the same crew still be better than having the best rated for each position being tabbed? 

Not trying to be difficult, generally curious?     How does one crew members job affect another as I outlined in previous message?    

Your job is to perform your duties to your best abilities under the mechanics that are taught and all that, just becuase you may not have worked with some others, how would that negativetly impact the job performance? 

 

[gonzoron]

7 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

why would having the same crew still be better than having the best rated for each position being tabbed?

Is this something that happens all year long in every game? Who does the rating?

 

[Bobref]

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

But if you are an expert at your position within your crew and have earned a rating to warrant your super bowl nod, why would that matter being part of a crew at that level? 

If you are BJ, then why does it matter who your Umpire is ?  Your job as U is your job, not working with the BJ before shouldn't have a negative effect on your job as U? 

What am I missing? 

 

Comparing an umpire to a back judge is not the same as talking about two line of scrimmage officials who have equal responsibility for determining forward progress. They need to work cooperatively, while BJ and U have completely different responsibilities.

[Bobref]

18 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

why would having the same crew still be better than having the best rated for each position being tabbed? 

Not trying to be difficult, generally curious?     How does one crew members job affect another as I outlined in previous message?    

Your job is to perform your duties to your best abilities under the mechanics that are taught and all that, just becuase you may not have worked with some others, how would that negativetly impact the job performance? 

 

An officiating crew works together as a unit. Think about an offensive line. They might all be very good players. But they are at their best when they’ve got experience working together as a unit. A crew is the same way.

[Irishman]

I always viewed crews as a team. Just like teams advance in the playoffs, officiating teams should advance as well. There is a lot to be said for the value of teamwork and chemistry within a crew. Do the best players in each position regardless of team advance? nope. Football is the ultimate team sport and it should be that way in every aspect. 

[Bobref]

5 minutes ago, Irishman said:

I always viewed crews as a team. Just like teams advance in the playoffs, officiating teams should advance as well. There is a lot to be said for the value of teamwork and chemistry within a crew. Do the best players in each position regardless of team advance? nope. Football is the ultimate team sport and it should be that way in every aspect. 

This is a never-ending debate within the officiating community. The contrary argument is that the current system incentivizes all official’s to do their best, without being “penalized” by another crew member’s deficiencies.