HCC Week #1

[Slobberknocker]

On 8/18/2024 at 3:11 PM, temptation said:

How much of a loss is the Westfield RB and who is in line to be the guy this fall?

Which is the bigger loss Westfield RB or Center Groves 4-star D-linemen?

[temptation]

2 hours ago, Slobberknocker said:

Which is the bigger loss Westfield RB or Center Groves 4-star D-linemen?

First I have heard of this...tell me more.

[Irishman]

Just a reminder folks…..please do not post about injuries to specific players. Even if it is fairly well known in a community, it’s still off limits. If there is a news story, that is fine. But the red flag comes up especially when a post starts with “I heard…”

Thanks

[Slobberknocker]

15 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Just a reminder folks…..please do not post about injuries to specific players. Even if it is fairly well known in a community, it’s still off limits. If there is a news story, that is fine. But the red flag comes up especially when a post starts with “I heard…”

Thanks

sorry for the wording I should have responded by just say read Indy star article Indiana high school football preview Class 6A predictions, top players (indystar.com)

[Irishman]

35 minutes ago, Slobberknocker said:

sorry for the wording I should have responded by just say read Indy star article Indiana high school football preview Class 6A predictions, top players (indystar.com)

No worries.....thanks 

[temptation]

5-3, yuck.

[foxbat]

I'll be curious to see if the Jeff-Avon outcome was indicative of Jeff's potential or Avon not living up to theirs.  Jeff's an erratic team in the sense that it sometimes depends who shows up on a given night.  They tend to have the ability to win out most times, but it depends on the level of discipline and sometimes play calling combinations in circumstances.

They will be the dark horse in 5A as everyone thinks they are still in 6A and are going to be surprised that they won't be facing off against Crown Point for the first game of sectionals and will instead likely get Kokomo, McCutcheon, or South Bend Adams.

[Boilernation]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

5-3, yuck.

My initial thoughts from reading scores and watcing a few games: 

1. Did Brownsburg look that good or has the rise of Carroll and Leo (somewhat) killed Dwenger on the northside of Fort Wayne? Possibly both are true. 

2. Surprised NC scored 35 on Fishers. Was that a competitive game or a lot of garbage TD's for NC?

3. Excited to see how Franklin Central looks this year

4. HSE's OL completely abused the Caroll DL. Plus, 2 fumbles inside your own 20 on kickoff returns is brutal when you're playing from behind. Unless Warren Central is the opponent, a lot of defenses are going to struggle stopping HSE from running off LT. And then throw in a dual threat QB who can run himself. Really liked what I saw from HSE's offense. No shame in the defense giving up points to Jimmy Sullivan.

5. Avon is facing a possible 0-4 start. 

6. Same power running game offense for Noblesville this year albeit with a new look. Gone are the small Sr. ball carriers from last year. This year Noblesville has a stable of big RB's carrying the ball along with 6'3 230 Boston College DL recruit Israel Oladipupo. Izzy is still playing DE but he's also getting some carries in the run game. 3 different 6'1 / 6'2 Sophomore RB's were also active in the run game for Noblesville. Noblesville has a very good Sophomore class and about 11 of them are getting varsity minutes. 

7. It's going to be a long year at the bottom of the HCC for Zionsville. Not enough talent.

8. I didn't watch this Westfield / Center Grove game and the stats for Westfield aren't listed on Maxpreps. How did the Westfield offense look?

[temptation]

25 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

My initial thoughts from reading scores and watcing a few games: 

1. Did Brownsburg look that good or has the rise of Carroll and Leo (somewhat) killed Dwenger on the northside of Fort Wayne? Possibly both are true. 

2. Surprised NC scored 35 on Fishers. Was that a competitive game or a lot of garbage TD's for NC?

3. Excited to see how Franklin Central looks this year

4. HSE's OL completely abused the Caroll DL. Plus, 2 fumbles inside your own 20 on kickoff returns is brutal when you're playing from behind. Unless Warren Central is the opponent, a lot of defenses are going to struggle stopping HSE from running off LT. And then throw in a dual threat QB who can run himself. Really liked what I saw from HSE's offense. No shame in the defense giving up points to Jimmy Sullivan.

5. Avon is facing a possible 0-4 start. 

6. Same power running game offense for Noblesville this year albeit with a new look. Gone are the small Sr. ball carriers from last year. This year Noblesville has a stable of big RB's carrying the ball along with 6'3 230 Boston College DL recruit Israel Oladipupo. Izzy is still playing DE but he's also getting some carries in the run game. 3 different 6'1 / 6'2 Sophomore RB's were also active in the run game for Noblesville. Noblesville has a very good Sophomore class and about 11 of them are getting varsity minutes. 

7. It's going to be a long year at the bottom of the HCC for Zionsville. Not enough talent.

8. I didn't watch this Westfield / Center Grove game and the stats for Westfield aren't listed on Maxpreps. How did the Westfield offense look?

1.  Brownsburg and Cathedral this week should be appointment viewing television. Brownsburg wins the state championship in August and September every single year and I wonder how much they kept vanilla against Dwenger…whereas could Cathedral have a let down after last week’s big win?

2.  I wasn’t there, but Fishers built an early lead on North Central and then I checked the final score which makes me believe that North Central scored garbage time points against the Tigers’ backups.  No evidence.  Just a hunch.

3.  Me too.  Can they break into the top four?

4.  HSE strikes me as the real deal.

5.  As someone else posted in a different thread, interested in both Avon and Lafayette Jeff going forward in terms of what Friday night’s game tells us.

6.  Can they break into the top four?

7.  Agree.  No disrespect to Pike as I think they’ll be better but Zionsville is gonna struggle to find wins unless they improve dramatically unless Friday was just a bad night.

8.  Also didn’t watch, just saw highlights, but also saw that Center Grove had an early lead and Westfield came back. Looks like big plays were the difference prepared for someone to tell me if I am wrong. Could be mistaken, but also feel like there was one big trick play (HB pass ?) sprinkled in there somewhere.

Edited August 25, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

7 hours ago, foxbat said:

I'll be curious to see if the Jeff-Avon outcome was indicative of Jeff's potential or Avon not living up to theirs.  

Probably depends on where your from if I'm being honest. Draw a horizontal line through Anderson. Everyone south of that will claim Avon didn't live up to theirs. Everyone north of that will say Jeff won because they were the better team. I'm from the north, so I'll roll with the latter. HSE, Warren Central, Avon, and Westfield have all gone down to northern teams in a span of less than two years, but the rhetoric on this board hasn't really changed all that much. Kudos to the Bronchos. 

[BTF]

6 hours ago, Boilernation said:

4. HSE's OL completely abused the Caroll DL. Plus, 2 fumbles inside your own 20 on kickoff returns is brutal when you're playing from behind. Unless Warren Central is the opponent, a lot of defenses are going to struggle stopping HSE from running off LT. And then throw in a dual threat QB who can run himself. Really liked what I saw from HSE's offense. No shame in the defense giving up points to Jimmy Sullivan.

 

Presuming you were at the game or at least watched it on the internet. Is HSE is that good? Could Carroll still be a Top 10 team losing by that score? Could one argue that the game was closer than the score indicated due to the fumbles on the kickoff returns?

[LC_Bears_04]

11 hours ago, temptation said:

5-3, yuck.

I had the same record, but I called the Westfield win!  Though I do feel pretty dumb about picking Carroll over HSE.

Went to the Westfield-Center Grove game.  Center Grove's offense controlled game early in 1st half, but then big plays got Westfield back in the game.  WR Gabe Aramboles threw a long TD pass to Parker Knott, then Westfield capitalized on a strip sack and a muffed punt by Center Grove to take the lead going into halftime.  Westfield got another long TD pass in the third quarter then got enough stops on defense after making halftime adjustments to get the win.

[Boilernation]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Presuming you were at the game or at least watched it on the internet. Is HSE is that good? Could Carroll still be a Top 10 team losing by that score? Could one argue that the game was closer than the score indicated due to the fumbles on the kickoff returns?

Not in attendance. I watched the entire game on the Charger Sports Network. HSE was that good. Carroll has Jimmy Sullivan and some good offensive talent so they were able to get some points, but HSE jumped out to a 28-7 lead. One of those TD's was in short yardage as Carroll fumbled a kickoff return. HSE is big and they pushed Carroll around on offense. 6'5 LT Cameron Gorin is committed to Purdue and he was clearing out paths of running room for HSE. Per Max Preps, HSE ran the ball 55 times for 285 yards.

I'm assuming Cameron's father is Brandon, who played at Muncie Southside, Purdue and won 2 Super Bowls in his 9 year NFL career

[Boilernation]

1 hour ago, LC_Bears_04 said:

I had the same record, but I called the Westfield win!  Though I do feel pretty dumb about picking Carroll over HSE.

Went to the Westfield-Center Grove game.  Center Grove's offense controlled game early in 1st half, but then big plays got Westfield back in the game.  WR Gabe Aramboles threw a long TD pass to Parker Knott, then Westfield capitalized on a strip sack and a muffed punt by Center Grove to take the lead going into halftime.  Westfield got another long TD pass in the third quarter then got enough stops on defense after making halftime adjustments to get the win.

I picked Carroll as well. Thought HSE's offense would take a step back and was betting on the Charger offense. Did Center Grove look like they've taken a step back or did Westfield re-load with talent?

[BTF]

3 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

Not in attendance. I watched the entire game on the Charger Sports Network. HSE was that good. Carroll has Jimmy Sullivan and some good offensive talent so they were able to get some points, but HSE jumped out to a 28-7 lead. One of those TD's was in short yardage as Carroll fumbled a kickoff return. HSE is big and they pushed Carroll around on offense. 6'5 LT Cameron Gorin is committed to Purdue and he was clearing out paths of running room for HSE. Per Max Preps, HSE ran the ball 55 times for 285 yards.

I'm assuming Cameron's father is Brandon, who played at Muncie Southside, Purdue and won 2 Super Bowls in his 9 year NFL career

Thanks for the info. Great start for the Royals. 

[Boilernation]

8 hours ago, temptation said:

1.  Brownsburg and Cathedral this week should be appointment viewing television. Brownsburg wins the state championship in August and September every single year and I wonder how much they kept vanilla against Dwenger…whereas could Cathedral have a let down after last week’s big win?

2.  I wasn’t there, but Fishers built an early lead on North Central and then I checked the final score which makes me believe that North Central scored garbage time points against the Tigers’ backups.  No evidence.  Just a hunch.

3.  Me too.  Can they break into the top four?

4.  HSE strikes me as the real deal.

5.  As someone else posted in a different thread, interested in both Avon and Lafayette Jeff going forward in terms of what Friday night’s game tells us.

6.  Can they break into the top four?

7.  Agree.  No disrespect to Pike as I think they’ll be better but Zionsville is gonna struggle to find wins unless they improve dramatically unless Friday was just a bad night.

8.  Also didn’t watch, just saw highlights, but also saw that Center Grove had an early lead and Westfield came back. Looks like big plays were the difference prepared for someone to tell me if I am wrong. Could be mistaken, but also feel like there was one big trick play (HB pass ?) sprinkled in there somewhere.

HSE is definately the real deal. That run game is so brutal, especially when the QB is another RB. He's not the greatest thrower, but his arm is capable and he can roll out of the pocket to find a WR with his arm. Of course, HSE has a stable of tall WR's and RB's capable of catching the ball. They have some depth at the skill positions. 

Agree on Avon. Lafayette Jef is no slouch.

It's so hard for anyone to break into the Brownsburg, Westfield, HSE and Fishers stronghold. But, I would probably favor FC over Noblesville. I actually like Noblesville's offense and I like that it's being ran at the youth level. So, we're now seeing kids at the HS level who have been running that offense at the youth level. But, I'll believe they can actually crack the top half of the table when I actually see it happen. I could be wrong, but I think Jayson West has a high celing at FC.

[MikeTyson15]

Ben Davis at Avon, 7 pm

Brownsburg at Cathedral, 7 pm

Carmel at Westfield, 7 pm

Franklin Central at Roncalli, 7 pm

Lawrence Central at Zionsville, 7 pm

Noblesville at Homestead, 7 pm

North Central at Hamilton SE, 7 pm

Pike at Fishers, 7 pm

 

Ben Davis by a lot

Brownsburg over Cathedral by 6

Westfield over Carmel by 6

Franklin Central over Roncalli by 17

Lawrence Central over Zionsville by 10

Noblesville over Homestead by 10

HSE over North Central by 20

Fishers over Pike by 10

 

[LC_Bears_04]

1 hour ago, Boilernation said:

I picked Carroll as well. Thought HSE's offense would take a step back and was betting on the Charger offense. Did Center Grove look like they've taken a step back or did Westfield re-load with talent?

Westfield reloaded with talent.  Center Grove is still a top 5 team.  We may have a chance of a rematch of this game in November at Lucas Oil Stadium.

[Frozen Tundra]

10 hours ago, Boilernation said:

2. Surprised NC scored 35 on Fishers. Was that a competitive game or a lot of garbage TD's for NC?

 

10 hours ago, temptation said:

2.  I wasn’t there, but Fishers built an early lead on North Central and then I checked the final score which makes me believe that North Central scored garbage time points against the Tigers’ backups.  No evidence.  Just a hunch.

So I know one of the Fishers coaches very well. He told me the final score doesn’t indicate how well Fishers played. Fishers took a 49-14 lead into halftime which meant a running clock in the second half. He said they (Fishers) put their second-stringers in to start the third thinking North Central would play their starters a series and then remove them for the rest of the game. However, North Central kept their starters in and scored two quick TDs to make it 49-28. The Fishers backup offense then drove down to around the North Central 30 before fumbling it away. Fishers put their starting defense back in but they were cold from sitting on the bench and gave up some big plays that led to a touchdown. With it 49-35, North Central went for an onside kick and recovered it. However, they threw an interception and the Fishers offense took knees to end the game.

Edited August 26, 2024 by Frozen Tundra

[Boilernation]

10 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

 

So I know one of the Fishers coaches very well. He told me the final score doesn’t indicate how well Fishers played. Fishers took a 49-14 lead into halftime which meant a running clock in the second half. He said they (Fishers) put their second-stringers in to start the third thinking North Central would play their starters a series and then remove them for the rest of the game. However, North Central kept their starters in and scored two quick TDs to make it 49-28. The Fishers backup offense then drove down to around the North Central 30 before fumbling it away. Fishers put their starting defense back in but they were cold from sitting on the bench and gave up some big plays that led to a touchdown. With it 49-35, North Central went for an onside kick and recovered it. However, they threw an interception and the Fishers offense took knees to end the game.

Thanks. I don't blame NC's coaches for keeping the starters in. They can use all of the PT and confidence building they can get. But, it does sound like the running clock would have held had Fishers kept their starters in.

[Bobref]

3 hours ago, Boilernation said:

But, it does sound like the running clock would have held had Fishers kept their starters in.

?????
Once Mercy Rule timing is in effect, it remains in effect for the rest of the game.

[Boilernation]

13 minutes ago, Bobref said:

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Once Mercy Rule timing is in effect, it remains in effect for the rest of the game.

True. Time to pull my head of out of the sand...