New Pal @ Chatard

[temptation]

3 hours ago, BTF said:

I think SOS played a part in them finding themselves down 42-14 in the first half. The talent Snider had hit them like a ton of bricks. Once they got their bearings straight, it was game on. 

So their schedule didn’t matter in the second half/OT where they outscored Snider 47-22?

[Lysander]

I think New Pal is the "older" more seasoned team.  As a long time observer (who also was in the press box the last time these 2 teams played) I know that the whole "weak schedule" screed about New Pal is just that...a screed.  It has never mattered as to their playoff performance.

Chatard is relatively solid but my sense is much of their exceptional talent is underclass...and will mature over the next year or two (not to take ANYTHING away from the Seniors there). 

With that, I very much believe that the winner of this game is the favorite at LOS. 

[BTF]

8 hours ago, temptation said:

So their schedule didn’t matter in the second half/OT where they outscored Snider 47-22?

You're too much Temp. I'm trying to have a serious conversation with you. You need to stop with your BS. 

[temptation]

6 minutes ago, BTF said:

You're too much Temp. I'm trying to have a serious conversation with you. You need to stop with your BS. 

LOL… the topic was “what will happen to New Pal when they are punched in the mouth?”

They were punched in the mouth in the game you referenced and then rattled off 47 points and lost in heartbreaking fashion.

Just a data point is all.

Edited November 11, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

LOL… the topic was “what will happen to New Pal when they are punched in the mouth?”

They were punched in the mouth in the game you referenced and then rattled off 47 points and lost in heartbreaking fashion.

Just a data point is all.

And I just gave you a good example. They found themselves on the short end of a blowout down 42-14. What happened after that I can't explain. Good coaching? Adjustments? Did Snider get bored? Did New Pal wake up? Or was New Pal simply not ready at the beginning of the game having not seen a team that good all season long? Ask New Pal's coach I guess, I'm just telling you how I saw it. Fact of the matter is, Snider was by far the best team they faced all year and quickly found themselves down four touchdowns. You can call that coincidence if it makes you feel better. Let's continue Friday night, I'll be watching the fight and keeping track of the scores. 

[temptation]

44 minutes ago, BTF said:

And I just gave you a good example. They found themselves on the short end of a blowout down 42-14. What happened after that I can't explain. Good coaching? Adjustments? Did Snider get bored? Did New Pal wake up? Or was New Pal simply not ready at the beginning of the game having not seen a team that good all season long? Ask New Pal's coach I guess, I'm just telling you how I saw it. Fact of the matter is, Snider was by far the best team they faced all year and quickly found themselves down four touchdowns. You can call that coincidence if it makes you feel better. Let's continue Friday night, I'll be watching the fight and keeping track of the scores. 

Yet you pick Chatard by THREE?

How many does Chatard have to win by in order for you to reward yourself with a Saturday morning victory lap?

[FastpacedO]

52 minutes ago, BTF said:

And I just gave you a good example. They found themselves on the short end of a blowout down 42-14. What happened after that I can't explain. Good coaching? Adjustments? Did Snider get bored? Did New Pal wake up? Or was New Pal simply not ready at the beginning of the game having not seen a team that good all season long? Ask New Pal's coach I guess, I'm just telling you how I saw it. Fact of the matter is, Snider was by far the best team they faced all year and quickly found themselves down four touchdowns. You can call that coincidence if it makes you feel better. Let's continue Friday night, I'll be watching the fight and keeping track of the scores. 

You can hear Coach Ralph talk about and break down the game in each quarter for yourself. During Covid Coach Ralph did a terrific set of segments with Coach Anderson and actually did a video of each quarter of the game vs. Snider. Some very good videos to watch of many of New Palestine's great games and seasons from the mind and thought process of Coach Ralph. https://www.youtube.com/@wesanderson4682/videos

On to New Pal. The number of 2-way players won't matter in this game. Coach Ralph knows he will have many 2-way players and intentionally runs a conditioning program to prepare for this. He has mentioned several times over he makes sure to condition his teams to be prepared for the fact they will be playing players on both sides of the ball. I would say the number of players and strength of schedule will be a moot point. What it is going to come down to is how well both teams players play in the game. Chatard is young but very talented and New Pal is experienced and talented, we will see which players make plays I think it will be a terrific game. 

[BTF]

26 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yet you pick Chatard by THREE?

How many does Chatard have to win by in order for you to reward yourself with a Saturday morning victory lap?

Chatard by 13. Feel better?

I'm rooting for New Pal, that's who I want to watch play East Noble in the state championship. I'm not concerned with victory laps like you are (see Next Level), if my prediction is wrong it's wrong. It won't be the first time. I'll be the first to congratulate New Pal and say I'm wrong. I'd never discount, arguably, the best pound for pound program in the state of Indiana. Good luck to both. 

[Sledge]

SOS aside, this will be an uphill battle for the Trojans…. Hoping for a great game 

[Just a dad]

Calpreps Top5 4A schools in Indiana:

1. Bishop Chatard  41.7

2. East Noble 41.3

3. New Palestine 40.4

4. Roncalli 35.8

5. Martinsville 31.2

[crimsonace1]

On 11/9/2024 at 12:37 PM, Just a dad said:

Have New Pal’s starters played a meaningful minute of football in the second half of any of their games? How many of their starters play both ways? 

Yes, they have. Mt. Vernon never got to running clock in the sectional, and Kokomo in the opener was a two-score game until a 99-yard TD pass in the final six minutes. Decatur Central was 21-21 at halftime - and that was because NP had played horrendous in the first half with some unforced errors - and then got called due to an eagle-eyed official spotting lightning in the clouds from two counties away. 

And, as far as two-way starters, they have a few guys who start on defense and are half-time on offense or vice-versa - but about 2-3 guys who are full-time both ways. It's not really a major concern. NP's conditioning is top-notch. 

[crimsonace1]

On 11/9/2024 at 6:15 PM, BTF said:

Chatard by 3. This is where strength of schedule is important. New Pal won't know what hit them in the first half, but I imagine they'll make it close after adjusting. 

You realize New Pal practices against New Pal every day, right? 

I hear this every year. "They don't play anybody" (which we'll hear unless the schedule includes 1991 Ben Davis, 2007 Warren Central, et al), "their schedule is weak." And yet, NP has won six regional titles in the last 11 years, several of them in a class higher than their enrollment level. They faced a likely 5A State Finals team in Week 2. They obliterated a ranked Greenfield-Central team in Week 6. They faced a decent Kokomo team in Week 1 - one down by their standards, but still solid.

New Pal doesn't duck anyone. They've played Whiteland, Westfield and Center Grove in the past in the non-conference (as well as Brebeuf when they've been surging). They've play Decatur Central every year for the last four seasons. 

Schedules don't win championships. Players do. 

[crimsonace1]

On 11/10/2024 at 6:05 PM, temptation said:

Yeah, if you can point directly to SOS as to why they lost 64-61 in 2015, I am all ears.  That game was nuts.

We will find out soon if they were once in a generation.  I tend to think you are right which is why its taken them time to get back to this level.

They played the 2021 state championship squad from Cathedral as well as anyone (6A Westfield and Brownsburg included) and were competitive with Roncalli (eventual state runners up in OT) in the tournament in 2022.

 

If not for two really horrendous calls - a TD taken off the board for an illegal forward pass when the QB was a yard behind the LOS when he threw the ball, and a clear fumble three plays before Roncalli's last TD where the runner was incorrectly ruled down - NP might have won that Roncalli game in 2022, too. NP's failure to convert multiple fourth-and-1s turned out to be their downfall, but that was a one-possession game for most of the night. 

2021 was a rebuilding year and a surprise sectional title, but they managed to keep Cathedral a two-possession game. 

They scored 61 freaking points against Snider in 2015. The difference in that game was a blocked PAT and NP had no real answer for Snider's speed on the perimeter. Schedule had *nothing* to do with it. They beat Columbus East, Zionsville and Castle - not exactly chopped liver - to get to Lucas Oil. 

As far as "can they compete with the Top 10 6A teams," guess what, they don't need to. They're a 4A school, they need to beat the top 4A teams. 

Chatard will be the best team NP will have faced this season. This should be a very close, well-played game between two very good, well-coached teams. 

[Coach Harvey]

Hard to believe it's been 11 years since these two schools have played each other. 

[crimsonace1]

On 11/10/2024 at 2:56 PM, Just a dad said:

@temptation I would say Center Grove and Decatur Central (both top 550 teams nationally according to calpreps) were very good teams in 2018 and they handled them. 2019 they played Cathedral, Center Grove and Valpo. All top 400 teams nationally, again according to calpreps. I’d say both of those teams were challenged, took punches and were superior to some really high quality teams. 

This year their toughest game has been against Greenfield Central who is ranked 2812 nationally. Their opponents combined records are 57-61

Chatard has lost to Cathedral (163) and Elder (429). They have beaten Columbus North (739), Roncalli twice (805) and Brebeuff (1405). The combined records of their opponents this year is 75-47-1

There is an enormous difference between 2018/2019 New Pal and 2024 New Pal. 2019 NP opponents were 91-71. 2018 NP opponents were 83-75.

I just don’t see how you can compare their 2024 team to either of those earlier teams.

I’m not convinced that New Pal isn’t the underdog in this game

You're forgetting Decatur Central, because that game was called at halftime and ruled a no-contest so it's not on Harrell. NP had nearly 300 yards of offense in the half that was played and moved the ball very effectively against a likely 5A state finalist. 

DC is ranked higher than every team on Chatard's schedule except Cathedral.

I'm not saying NP is the favorite, but these are probably the two best teams in 4A and it should be a very good game, but who they played in Week 5 is irrelevant to what will happen on Friday night. 

[temptation]

On 11/11/2024 at 7:44 AM, BTF said:

Chatard by 13. Feel better?

I'm rooting for New Pal, that's who I want to watch play East Noble in the state championship. I'm not concerned with victory laps like you are (see Next Level), if my prediction is wrong it's wrong. It won't be the first time. I'll be the first to congratulate New Pal and say I'm wrong. I'd never discount, arguably, the best pound for pound program in the state of Indiana. Good luck to both. 

So I get New Pal +12.5?

Yes, I do feel better.

[FastpacedO]

15 hours ago, Just a dad said:

Calpreps Top5 4A schools in Indiana:

1. Bishop Chatard  41.7

2. East Noble 41.3

3. New Palestine 40.4

4. Roncalli 35.8

5. Martinsville 31.2

Those top 3 all pretty close there in rating

41.7, 41.3, and 40.4

Be interesting to see how Calpreps predictions comes out

About as close to a 50/50 as you can get 

[BTF]

2 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

They scored 61 freaking points against Snider in 2015. The difference in that game was a blocked PAT and NP had no real answer for Snider's speed on the perimeter. Schedule had *nothing* to do with it. 

In your opinion, why did they fall behind 42-14 midway through the 2nd quarter?

2 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

You realize New Pal practices against New Pal every day, right? 

I hear this every year. "They don't play anybody" (which we'll hear unless the schedule includes 1991 Ben Davis, 2007 Warren Central, et al), "their schedule is weak." And yet, NP has won six regional titles in the last 11 years, several of them in a class higher than their enrollment level. They faced a likely 5A State Finals team in Week 2. They obliterated a ranked Greenfield-Central team in Week 6. They faced a decent Kokomo team in Week 1 - one down by their standards, but still solid.

New Pal doesn't duck anyone. They've played Whiteland, Westfield and Center Grove in the past in the non-conference (as well as Brebeuf when they've been surging). They've play Decatur Central every year for the last four seasons. 

Schedules don't win championships. Players do. 

Much respect for New Pal. Let's resume Friday night around 9:30. 

[crimsonace1]

Just now, BTF said:

In your opinion, why did they fall behind 42-14 midway through the 2nd quarter?

They were trying to run a read-option and struggled with Snider's speed. Made adjustments on both ends and dominated the game until that point until the kicker kicked deep when he wasn't supposed to and that flipped the game. 

Who they played in Week 3 had nothing to do with it. Nothing. 

[BTF]

2 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said:

They were trying to run a read-option and struggled with Snider's speed. Made adjustments on both ends and dominated the game until that point until the kicker kicked deep when he wasn't supposed to and that flipped the game. 

Who they played in Week 3 had nothing to do with it. Nothing. 

Why on earth would he kick deep when he wasn't supposed to?

[BTF]

I don't think I'm the only one who thinks strength of schedule is kind of important. Temp loves it when talking about Crown Point, not so much though when it comes to New Pal............hmmm. 

I'm also not the only one who thinks that the MIC had an impact on who the HCC is today. The SAC toughened up Carroll. Hell the entire SAC conference apparently thinks schedule means something, not sure why else they went after Indy's finest. I dunno, maybe I'm just confused. 

[temptation]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

I don't think I'm the only one who thinks strength of schedule is kind of important. Temp loves it when talking about Crown Point, not so much though when it comes to New Pal............hmmm. 

I'm also not the only one who thinks that the MIC had an impact on who the HCC is today. The SAC toughened up Carroll. Hell the entire SAC conference apparently thinks schedule means something, not sure why else they went after Indy's finest. I dunno, maybe I'm just confused. 

Because New Pal is not being asked to go through three teams with top 15 schedules.  They are a 4A team.

I have not eliminated the possibility that Crown Point gets through Carroll and Westfield...but asking them to get through those two and whomever awaits in the south?

A tall order.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

On 11/11/2024 at 6:10 AM, BTF said:

You're too much Temp. I'm trying to have a serious conversation with you. You need to stop with your BS. 

That's all he knows , hopefully your starting to see it . 

[FastpacedO]

3 hours ago, BTF said:

Why on earth would he kick deep when he wasn't supposed to?

The most likely answer he is a teenage kid that made a mistake.

[BTF]

25 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

That's all he knows , hopefully your starting to see it . 

Temp and I go back, we like to banter. It's in our blood.