Bash Riprock Posted January 31 Posted January 31 16 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: great now do the other 31 teams on a week by week breakdown. You need to make that request to Yahoo Coach Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: You need to make that request to Yahoo Coach nah, just pointing out, that in these convesations, heavy is the head that wears the crown, just like the Pats run, as well. The national talking narrative created the opportunity to write that article, which I understand, my whole goal here is to debunk all the NFL is rigged, the officials are in bed with Chiefs, et. al. conversation. It just isn't logical as Bob pointed out in his post about the amount of people that would have to keep that under wraps. I watch and consume A LOT of NFL Football. Not just on Sundays, throughout the week, and each Monday, there is long series of look how bad these REFS are this game and this week with same type of calls, Roughing QB, Non Holds, DPI calls. Because its the Chiefs, because there is this obbession with the role of Travis Kelce GF and the saturation of the Pat, Travis and Andy when you turn on the TV and commericals come on, creates a natural negative bias for many, which I am cool with, but to think that these games are being rigged for an outcome i just cannot get behind. So everytime there an article like Yahoo's sure, ok, me thinks if you did such a breakdown for Eagles, Bills, et al you would find similar situations. The goal is 100% perfect, sure, from the REF angle, is that reasonable ? If that is the goal then why use humans, last I checked, haven't seen one of those unicorns, known as PERFECT HUMAN Quote
Bash Riprock Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: nah, just pointing out, that in these convesations, heavy is the head that wears the crown, just like the Pats run, as well. The national talking narrative created the opportunity to write that article, which I understand, my whole goal here is to debunk all the NFL is rigged, the officials are in bed with Chiefs, et. al. conversation. It just isn't logical as Bob pointed out in his post about the amount of people that would have to keep that under wraps. I watch and consume A LOT of NFL Football. Not just on Sundays, throughout the week, and each Monday, there is long series of look how bad these REFS are this game and this week with same type of calls, Roughing QB, Non Holds, DPI calls. Because its the Chiefs, because there is this obbession with the role of Travis Kelce GF and the saturation of the Pat, Travis and Andy when you turn on the TV and commericals come on, creates a natural negative bias for many, which I am cool with, but to think that these games are being rigged for an outcome i just cannot get behind. So everytime there an article like Yahoo's sure, ok, me thinks if you did such a breakdown for Eagles, Bills, et al you would find similar situations. The goal is 100% perfect, sure, from the REF angle, is that reasonable ? If that is the goal then why use humans, last I checked, haven't seen one of those unicorns, known as PERFECT HUMAN As we talked, I agree NFL isn't rigged....but I absolutely believe the champs do get the benefit of the doubt....so as Rex Ryan says....have a healthy lead going into Q4, to control your own outcome. Because when push does come to shove, I agree the scale tips toward the Chiefs. Just way to many coincidences on calls (or lack thereof) that shift toward the champs at critical junctures of a game. Where we may not align Coach, is that there is a zero relationship. Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 31 Posted January 31 and that scale I believe as well heads to the Chiefs because of #15..... just like it did for Peyton.... and Tom...... The great ones have that competitive gene that creates these situations to find other reasons why they are successful instead of saying.....hey man, Pat Mahomes is on an ALL TIME RUN and who knows when it will end, same with Brady and to a certain extent Peyton...... It is a disservices those elite players and their accomplishments when folks want to add ASTRISKS... Quote
Irishman Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 Indiana high school kids who were all hard nosed and hard working kids who were dominant players on their teams, and one one player from IU, along with a couple from ND are on the Chiefs roster. The kid that no D1 program wanted except for Ball State in Carson Steele has proven what perseverance can do. George Karlaftis was dominant in high school and college and has stepped up in a big way this post season. Drue Tranquil has developed into a solid ILB. 2 connections....St. Francis here in FW has a one day camp where up to 8 teams can come. One the day we were there, West Lafayette was as well. Karlaftis was a man among boys back then. That was his junior year, and I remember telling coaches then that he would be in the league. A couple of the St. Francis coaches even said yep, they were not even going to bother recruiting him. The other connection was with Tranquil at Carroll HS. They were still in our conference and from the time I started here in 2008, we had some great battles with Carroll. Drue's Sr. year, we were there. We had Jordan Hogue, a Junior WR that was good friends with Dru. They worked out together in the off season and attended several of the same invite only camps. We always played Carroll week 4. Games at Carroll are crazy. The place is always packed, especially the student section. It really is a cool environment. We were both undefeated going into the game in 2013. Drue's younger brother Justin was another key player for them. Justin went on to play at Western Michigan as a safety. I still remember setting up our headsets in the pressbox and seeing Drue and Jordan standing nose to nose talking shit. Coaches were close by, but there was never a question of it getting out of control. Both offenses were clicking from the start. Hogue did have 2 HUGE picks in the endzone that kept us in the game. Had Carroll just kept handing off to either Tranquil, we had no answer. We had more 2 way players than them. Late in the game, we get a huge stop at mid field on 3rd down. There was something like 1:30 left in the game, so Carroll punts to bury us deep. They were leading 35-34 at that point. Hogue had never returned a punt for us until that moment. He takes our regular return man out....actually said get the f**k out I am housing this mfer. Sure enough he catches it with a running start and heads to our sideline. Our OLB was a sophomore, who had 3 HUGE blocks on the return. He hit the first guy just a couple yards in front of Hogue and did not even break stride in the block. The next one as around the 50. His initial hit knocked one guy into another guy who looked like he was going to make the play. Then the 3rd block was the last Carroll player with any chance. We score to go up late and hold on for the win. Epic game. Both crowds were into it all game. It is easily the most exciting combination of game and environment in my 30 years of coaching. So as much crap I have thrown around about the Chiefs, those are 3 guys that are easy to root for. 2 Quote
Bash Riprock Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: Another player with common sense Coach won't ease up on this....me thinks he has a secret mancrush on the Chiefs. If you don't think there is a benefit of the doubt given to the rash of close calls they have received or in which a flag is not thrown, then you simply choose to be blind. So many sports leagues have champions that do receive the benefit of doubt and its been that way for a long, long time. If you think that this doesn't happen for the Chiefs, then you choose to keep your eyes closed. Burrow knows where his bread is buttered and he's a QB that is very much protected. You know other NFL players say very different things and you choose not to highlight those....guess they are just dumb and lack common sense. We know where you stand....let it go...geesh Edited February 7 by Bash Riprock Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted February 7 Posted February 7 When I find something that I find worth posting, I am going to post Didn't know there was a limitation of said topics a member may post on If you do not like the post, you can tell me to sit and spin, I will smile, and move on or you can choose to respond which to me tells me youre still interested in the conversation. I was told early on that the paid talking tv players have had issues and that should carry lots of weight, so I keep seeing players say the exact opposite, so it intrigued me. Rumors of Philly Illness flying around, Im sure by Sunday no such effects. Chiefs still in drivers seat Quote
Bash Riprock Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: When I find something that I find worth posting, I am going to post Didn't know there was a limitation of said topics a member may post on If you do not like the post, you can tell me to sit and spin, I will smile, and move on or you can choose to respond which to me tells me youre still interested in the conversation. I was told early on that the paid talking tv players have had issues and that should carry lots of weight, so I keep seeing players say the exact opposite, so it intrigued me. Rumors of Philly Illness flying around, Im sure by Sunday no such effects. Chiefs still in drivers seat Just having fun Coach....love your posts....and in this case, understand your feelings!! Enjoy the game!! 1 Quote
Bobref Posted February 7 Author Posted February 7 6 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: If you don't think there is a benefit of the doubt given to the rash of close calls they have received or in which a flag is not thrown, then you simply choose to be blind. So many sports leagues have champions that do receive the benefit of doubt and its been that way for a long, long time. If you think that this doesn't happen for the Chiefs, then you choose to keep your eyes closed. My initial inclination was to simply toss this off as yet another uninformed opinion reached from a flawed premise. But instead I chose to give @Bash Riprock the benefit of the doubt and first ask him “what do you mean by ‘benefit of the doubt’ in the context of officiating?” 1 Quote
Bash Riprock Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) 14 hours ago, Bobref said: My initial inclination was to simply toss this off as yet another uninformed opinion reached from a flawed premise. But instead I chose to give @Bash Riprock the benefit of the doubt and first ask him “what do you mean by ‘benefit of the doubt’ in the context of officiating?” I think you know exactly what I am talking about and its been occurring in professional sports as long as I remember.... Example....Pat Mahomes in a playoff game against the Texans goes into a very LATE slide and is involved in contact with 2 defensive players. Head official throws flag (only flag) and personal foul is called. Its a 3rd down play and the Chiefs are awarded a first down. Replay shows that the Texan defenders made head to head contact with each other and not Mahomes's head. The actual contact to Mahomes was minor at best. Troy Aikman (former NFL QB and HOFer) openly voiced his displeasure at the call, watching several replays. My contention....a rookie or a non-big name QB does not get that call. The shadow of the doubt goes to the stars of the league and the NFL is absolutely invested in protecting its greatest assets. There is preferential treatment, whether intentional or not. Human nature. It has always been this way in professional sports...whether that be the size of strike zones, giving certain bball players an "extra step" or falling for the flop, etc. The NFL is no different. As far as what you toss off or not means absolutely nothing to me...... Edited February 8 by Bash Riprock Quote
Bobref Posted February 8 Author Posted February 8 3 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: I think you know exactly what I am talking about and its been occurring in professional sports as long as I remember.... Example....Pat Mahomes in a playoff game against the Texans goes into a very LATE slide and is involved in contact with 2 defensive players. Head official throws flag (only flag) and personal foul is called. Its a 3rd down play and the Chiefs are awarded a first down. Replay shows that the Texan defenders made head to head contact with each other and not Mahomes's head. The actual contact to Mahomes was minor at best. Troy Aikman (former NFL QB and HOFer) openly voiced his displeasure at the call, watching several replays. My contention....a rookie or a non-big name QB does not get that call. The shadow of the doubt goes to the stars of the league and the NFL is absolutely invested in protecting its greatest assets. There is preferential treatment, whether intentional or not. Human nature. It has always been this way in professional sports...whether that be the size of strike zones, giving certain bball players an "extra step" or falling for the flop, etc. The NFL is no different. As far as what you toss off or not means absolutely nothing to me...... Turns out I was right in the first place. This is, in fact, another uninformed opinion based on a false premise. Consider it tossed off. Quote
Sparty Posted February 8 Posted February 8 3 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: I think you know exactly what I am talking about and its been occurring in professional sports as long as I remember.... Example....Pat Mahomes in a playoff game against the Texans goes into a very LATE slide and is involved in contact with 2 defensive players. Head official throws flag (only flag) and personal foul is called. Its a 3rd down play and the Chiefs are awarded a first down. Replay shows that the Texan defenders made head to head contact with each other and not Mahomes's head. The actual contact to Mahomes was minor at best. Troy Aikman (former NFL QB and HOFer) openly voiced his displeasure at the call, watching several replays. My contention....a rookie or a non-big name QB does not get that call. The shadow of the doubt goes to the stars of the league and the NFL is absolutely invested in protecting its greatest assets. There is preferential treatment, whether intentional or not. Human nature. It has always been this way in professional sports...whether that be the size of strike zones, giving certain bball players an "extra step" or falling for the flop, etc. The NFL is no different. As far as what you toss off or not means absolutely nothing to me...... Your eyes aren’t deceiving you. Don’t forget when Jackson and Mahomes both ran out of bounds. Mahomes was barely touched and 15 yard penalty assessed. Jackson got dragged down. Both plays, each qb had the contact initiated OOB so both should have been flags by the letter of the law, but Mahomes play go flagged and Jackson’s had a play on. Don’t let these folks tell you your own eyes are lying. Quote
gonzoron Posted February 8 Posted February 8 1 hour ago, PHJIrish said: Has the Super Bowl pre-game started yet? End zones are painted. 4 Quote
Bash Riprock Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 17 hours ago, Bobref said: Turns out I was right in the first place. This is, in fact, another uninformed opinion based on a false premise. Consider it tossed off. Good for you….your history here predicted no other response… Edited February 9 by Bash Riprock Quote
Bobref Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 44 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: Good for you….your history here predicted no other response… Consistency is a virtue. 🤣 Quote
Bash Riprock Posted February 9 Posted February 9 30 minutes ago, Bobref said: Consistency is a virtue. 🤣 Sometimes...... Quote
Bobref Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said: Sometimes...... On the other hand … “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" — Ralph Waldo Emerson Quote
Bash Riprock Posted February 9 Posted February 9 1 hour ago, Bobref said: On the other hand … “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" — Ralph Waldo Emerson or.... "Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it" - David Richo "An open mind leaves a chance for someone to drop a worthwhile thought in it" - Mark Twain "We must accept human failure as inevitable -and design around that fact" - Donald Berwick 1 Quote
Sparty Posted February 9 Posted February 9 23 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: or.... "Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it" - David Richo "An open mind leaves a chance for someone to drop a worthwhile thought in it" - Mark Twain "We must accept human failure as inevitable -and design around that fact" - Donald Berwick Love this. 1 Quote
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