6A Tournament: OFFICIAL Thread

[FastpacedO]

24 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Do we not still reward winning? CP's 9-0 is better than Penn's, but Fishers and Westfield's records are better than Penn's 9-0 as well. This is the SEC conversation over and over and over again. These teams are so good they should be rewarded no matter what. 3 and 4 seeds vs the 2 and 3 seed is picking nits. It is not like I put them 5-9. 

 

I think you still reward winning and a 4 seed is a good spot for Crown Point and still rewarding winning as they would get a home game (if there were seeding). While I think you reward winning I think you also take into account who the winning was done against. To be completely honest if there were to be seeding overall you would have to have something other than Sagarin, Sagarin is good but it totally removes  out of state opponents from the equation. Doing something similar to sagarin but takes in the records of opponents and includes games against out of state opponents and their record/schedule would be ideal.

For the record Crown Point is a solid football team. I do think though Westfield and Fishers would be 9-0 playing Lowell, Pike, Merrillville, Lake Central Portage, Valparaiso, Laporte, Chesterton, and Michigan City. Now what do I think CP would do playing Fishers or Westfields schedule (granted I know none of the teams get to fully choose their schedule)?

Playing Westfield's schedule:

Homestead - CP would win, Carmel CP would lose, Zionsville - CP would win, Noblesville - CP would win, HSE - CP could win or lose, Brownsburg - CP would lose, Avon -CP could win or lose, Fishers - CP would lose, Franklin Central - CP would win. (I see 4-5 or 6-3)

Playing Fisher's schedule:

Carmel - CP would lose, Lawrence North - CP would lose, Noblesville - CP would win, HSE -CP could win or lose, Brownsburg - CP would lose, Avon - CP would win or lose, Franklin Central - CP would win, Westfield - CP would lose, Zionsville - CP would win ( I see 3-6 or 5-4).

Just my opinion 

 

[23andCounting]

14 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

I think you still reward winning and a 4 seed is a good spot for Crown Point and still rewarding winning as they would get a home game (if there were seeding). While I think you reward winning I think you also take into account who the winning was done against. To be completely honest if there were to be seeding overall you would have to have something other than Sagarin, Sagarin is good but it totally removes  out of state opponents from the equation. Doing something similar to sagarin but takes in the records of opponents and includes games against out of state opponents and their record/schedule would be ideal.

For the record Crown Point is a solid football team. I do think though Westfield and Fishers would be 9-0 playing Lowell, Pike, Merrillville, Lake Central Portage, Valparaiso, Laporte, Chesterton, and Michigan City. Now what do I think CP would do playing Fishers or Westfields schedule (granted I know none of the teams get to fully choose their schedule)?

Playing Westfield's schedule:

Homestead - CP would win, Carmel CP would lose, Zionsville - CP would win, Noblesville - CP would win, HSE - CP could win or lose, Brownsburg - CP would lose, Avon -CP could win or lose, Fishers - CP would lose, Franklin Central - CP would win. (I see 4-5 or 6-3)

Playing Fisher's schedule:

Carmel - CP would lose, Lawrence North - CP would lose, Noblesville - CP would win, HSE -CP could win or lose, Brownsburg - CP would lose, Avon - CP would win or lose, Franklin Central - CP would win, Westfield - CP would lose, Zionsville - CP would win ( I see 3-6 or 5-4).

Just my opinion 

 

Good grief, lots to unpack here. I'll try to keep it brief. 

I gotta laugh at "would lose" to Fishers. I think you meant "could lose." Although I have that game going either way, I still have CP above Fishers in seeding since CP doesn't have two MASSIVE blowout losses on their resume. That's a hill I'll die on, and if I were on the committee, I'd pull a 72 hour shift defending that one. Like it or not, Crown Point's has three good looking wins over Merrillville, Pike, and Lowell. That outweighs Fishers massive blowout losses to Brownsburg and Carmel. Just be happy I'm giving in to Westfield. At some point, winning matters. 

[WestfieldRocks]

On 10/21/2025 at 7:14 AM, FastpacedO said:

Well to be fair they had a homefield "Arlington Middle School which use to be Arlington High School" until @Lysander snipped some wires to the lights during the Chatard game 😂🤣

Actually the IHSAA likely wouldn't let them use Arlington going by past IHSAA decisions not letting Chatard use the field of champions at Broad Ripple. Not even with the promise of walking the fields to pick up broken glass j/k.

I still don't completely understand why they haven't put in plans to build a field at Brunette Park where their Baseball and softball and soon to be soccer and Lacrosse teams will play. It could be in the future I have no idea to be honest.

https://www.facebook.com/cathedralhighschool/posts/construction-on-brunette-field-is-almost-complete-and-we-are-ready-to-play-at-th/1434520308079899/

There have been a few games at Broad Ripple. I think Purdue Poly plays there. I's surprised as the last time I was in that area, that field looked awful. 

[PDB26]

1 hour ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Do we not still reward winning? CP's 9-0 is better than Penn's, but Fishers and Westfield's records are better than Penn's 9-0 as well. This is the SEC conversation over and over and over again. These teams are so good they should be rewarded no matter what. 3 and 4 seeds vs the 2 and 3 seed is picking nits. It is not like I put them 5-9. 

 

I’m not saying Westfield should be rewarded with the second seed. I’m saying they are the second best team on the north side of the bracket.

[Rodney]

Hold on here

 

I refuse to allow anyone to qualify as win over pike as good. @temptation may have been insane in the preseason but a win against pike should be expected.

I wouldn't even dare to mention it in my rank ben davis post.

[temptation]

3 minutes ago, Rodney said:

Hold on here

 

I refuse to allow anyone to qualify as win over pike as good. @temptation may have been insane in the preseason but a win against pike should be expected.

I wouldn't even dare to mention it in my rank ben davis post.

Not gonna let me off the hook for that one are you?

[Rodney]

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

Not gonna let me off the hook for that one are you?

I was on your side only because I wanted it to happen. But let's be real there's absolutely no way it was happening.

 

Probably the only big school indy matchup I would favor cp to win other than like tech or southport/perry

[GOLDRUSH1985]

35 minutes ago, temptation said:

Not gonna let me off the hook for that one are you?

Almost like certain posters making us relive 2003 over and over and over again . 

[temptation]

1 hour ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Almost like certain posters making us relive 2003 over and over and over again . 

Still remember that one vividly.

[23andCounting]

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

Hold on here

 

I refuse to allow anyone to qualify as win over pike as good. @temptation may have been insane in the preseason but a win against pike should be expected.

I wouldn't even dare to mention it in my rank ben davis post.

I said "good looking" win. I'd qualify beating Pike by 3 touchdowns a "good looking win" considering that's a wider margin than what Zionsville, Warren Central, and Ben Davis beat them by. 

[temptation]

58 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

I said "good looking" win. I'd qualify beating Pike by 3 touchdowns a "good looking win" considering that's a wider margin than what Zionsville, Warren Central, and Ben Davis beat them by. 

Three teams you’ve claimed aren’t good I might add.

[Rodney]

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

Three teams you’ve claimed aren’t good I might add.

All three teams have a more impressive win this year than any of the wins cp has

[23andCounting]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

Three teams you’ve claimed aren’t good I might add.

Define "good." My definition of "good" is Top 50 overall. Certainly out of 314 teams, at least 40-50 are good, right? Hell, Sagarin has Northrop at #54, and I'd consider them "good." Adams Central (47), good. Mishawaka (45) good. Dwenger (40), good. 

I don't recall saying any of those teams aren't good. I've questioned them as Top 25 teams, but that doesn't mean they're not good. Show me a receipt that suggests that I said those teams weren't good. I consider Carroll better than all three mentioned teams, but they're "good" enough to take Carroll out if the Chargers don't bring their A game. 

 

[temptation]

20 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Define "good." My definition of "good" is Top 50 overall. Certainly out of 314 teams, at least 40-50 are good, right? Hell, Sagarin has Northrop at #54, and I'd consider them "good." Adams Central (47), good. Mishawaka (45) good. Dwenger (40), good. 

I don't recall saying any of those teams aren't good. I've questioned them as Top 25 teams, but that doesn't mean they're not good. Show me a receipt that suggests that I said those teams weren't good. I consider Carroll better than all three mentioned teams, but they're "good" enough to take Carroll out if the Chargers don't bring their A game. 

 

Now you wanna cite Sagarin?  Man, I like you but you are sometimes a snake chasing its own tail.

[temptation]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

Define "good." My definition of "good" is Top 50 overall. Certainly out of 314 teams, at least 40-50 are good, right? Hell, Sagarin has Northrop at #54, and I'd consider them "good." Adams Central (47), good. Mishawaka (45) good. Dwenger (40), good. 

I don't recall saying any of those teams aren't good. I've questioned them as Top 25 teams, but that doesn't mean they're not good. Show me a receipt that suggests that I said those teams weren't good. I consider Carroll better than all three mentioned teams, but they're "good" enough to take Carroll out if the Chargers don't bring their A game. 

 

Ok, so what does a successful season for Crown Point entail in your mind?

I’ve gone public with my picks.

Easy first round victory over Lake Central.

2 possession win over Penn.

Nail biter against Carroll where they escape.

Blowout loss to Carmel.

Your turn.

Edited October 23, 2025 by temptation

[Rodney]

Im still pulling for penn

 

I can only hope

[temptation]

2 minutes ago, Rodney said:

Im still pulling for penn

 

I can only hope

May I ask why?  Or did I miss something?

[Rodney]

17 minutes ago, temptation said:

May I ask why?  Or did I miss something?

Uh because I want penn to win

 

Same reason I wanted pike to win

[Rodney]

25 minutes ago, temptation said:

May I ask why?  Or did I miss something?

It would instantly validate a whole lot of conversations lol

[23andCounting]

25 minutes ago, temptation said:

Ok, so what does a successful season for Crown Point entail in your mind?

I’ve gone public with my picks.

Easy first round victory over Lake Central.

2 possession win over Penn.

Nail biter against Carroll where they escape.

Blowout loss to Carmel.

Your turn.

A blowout loss to Carmel is a successful season? I'm confused. 

I've said numerous times that I like Sagarin as it's the best thing we have, it just has many flaws to be the 'be all end all.' Bishop Dwenger at #40, that's a flaw. You're just not thinking things all the way through when reading my posts. You say the first thing on your mind, then your brain stops. I think if you go back to all of my posts where I site Sagarin, you'll find that I enjoy looking at the rankings and even use it as a reference, even though there are flaws with the system. DC over Cathedral.........flaw. Cascade over Carroll............flaw. 

[23andCounting]

Let's also be clear that a coach is the only one who can determine what is a successful season or not. Did my team play to their potential even though we finished 4-6? If the answer is yes, then that's a successful season. As an outsider of the program, I'd say a successful season for CP would be a sectional championship. I don't think you can dub an entire season as unsuccessful after a loss to Penn or Carroll..........those are really good teams. 

[temptation]

11 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Let's also be clear that a coach is the only one who can determine what is a successful season or not. Did my team play to their potential even though we finished 4-6? If the answer is yes, then that's a successful season. As an outsider of the program, I'd say a successful season for CP would be a sectional championship. I don't think you can dub an entire season as unsuccessful after a loss to Penn or Carroll..........those are really good teams. 

You could be right as I am misremembering but weren’t you just clamoring for a top 3-4 seed for Crown Point in a hypothetical seeded playoff?

And now a regional loss (to presumably Carroll) would still be a successful season?

Edited October 23, 2025 by temptation

[GOLDRUSH1985]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Still remember that one vividly.

As do I . In 20 years will you be reminding BD and Warren fans about the 40 point beat down that they took from Carmel this year? Or is it just Penn hate in general ?

[temptation]

5 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

As do I . In 20 years will you be reminding BD and Warren fans about the 40 point beat down that they took from Carmel this year? Or is it just Penn hate in general ?

Eh.  More of a north versus south sorta thing.  

Plus, those didn’t happen on the biggest stage.

And Penn has been on the receiving end of those multiple times which makes them an easy target.

Warren (2003) and Ben Davis (2017) could have scored 100 in those games if they wanted to.

Sorry.

Edited October 23, 2025 by temptation

[23andCounting]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

You could be right as I am misremembering but weren’t you just clamoring for a top 3-4 seed for Crown Point in a hypothetical seeded playoff?

And now a regional loss (to presumably Carroll) would still be a successful season?

My presumption is that Crown Point is better than Penn or Carroll. We really don't know until they play.