6A Tournament: OFFICIAL Thread

[23andCounting]

8 minutes ago, US31 said:

A few post before…

I could see that interpreted different ways.  No dog in the fight…just calling balls and strikes

"That's a lot to say to someone who doesn't have any credibility."

Not sure where the confusion lies. He said I lost credibility, and that was my response. 

Edited October 24, 2025 by 23andCounting

[23andCounting]

3 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

"That's a lot to say to someone who doesn't have any credibility."

Not sure where the confusion lies. He said I lost credibility, and that was my response. 

Key word here is "to." Replace that with "from," and I can see your point. 

People tend to read fast and misinterpret things on this forum. I've done it myself. 

Edited October 24, 2025 by 23andCounting

[Rodney]

Let rodney explain

 

Other guy said 23 had no credibility

23 basically just said why are you talking to me if I have no credibility

[23andCounting]

9 minutes ago, Rodney said:

Let rodney explain

 

Other guy said 23 had no credibility

23 basically just said why are you talking to me if I have no credibility

Lol, thanks Rodney. You get it. If I don't think someone on here has credibility, I'm sure as hell not going write them a long winded note. 

I have no issues with @FastpacedO, we just have a difference in opinion is all. He naturally gravitates to Indy, I naturally gravitate to the NE. But the whole "Fishers WOULD beat Carroll" thing is a bit dumfounding. Maybe because Sagarin calls them a 7 point favorite? I dunno. Does being a 7 point favorite warrant a "would" or a "should?" I think Brownsburg, Carmel, New Pal, & Cathedral "would" beat Carroll. After that, all bets are off. I might favor Westfield over Carroll, but Fishers? Nah, I've got that game dead even. I'll go hide in a locker now, don't wanna get beat up by some of the Indy guys. Maybe offer them a beer when they come in Rodney. 

[FastpacedO]

12 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Lol, thanks Rodney. You get it. If I don't think someone on here has credibility, I'm sure as hell not going write them a long winded note. 

I have no issues with @FastpacedO, we just have a difference in opinion is all. He naturally gravitates to Indy, I naturally gravitate to the NE. But the whole "Fishers WOULD beat Carroll" thing is a bit dumfounding. Maybe because Sagarin calls them a 7 point favorite? I dunno. Does being a 7 point favorite warrant a "would" or a "should?" I think Brownsburg, Carmel, New Pal, & Cathedral "would" beat Carroll. After that, all bets are off. I might favor Westfield over Carroll, but Fishers? Nah, I've got that game dead even. I'll go hide in a locker now, don't wanna get beat up by some of the Indy guys. Maybe offer them a beer when they come in Rodney. 

Please do quote me where I said anything about Fishers and Carroll. I have specifically stated Crown Point and put them at a 4 seed, sorry if you are upset about that. 

[temptation]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

Good grief Temp, not sure who's posts you've been reading. When did I say anyone other than Carmel would come out of 6A North?

Why are you asking me about a scenario that's not going to happen?

Five quarters huh? Good Lord. Every team in the state that lost by 8 points or less at some point in the season would ask for a 5th quarter. I don't think that just applies to the teams I root for, does it? Let's get to the game first, in person. Then I'll tell you who hit harder. I've only been to a couple of games this season. Carroll and Warsaw had the loud popping hits that stood out. 

You’ve just gotten a lot of mileage out of the HSE/Carroll game from a few years back, the Westfield/CP game from two years ago and this year’s CG/Carroll tilt.

You seem offended when anyone suggests that those were anomalies but in the case of this year’s Carroll loss to CG, used a “close game” to justify that the gap from the central Indy teams to the non-Carmel/Westfield’s of the world is embellished.

Common sense states Carmel is likely coming out of the north and if not, likely Westfield.  I just wanna know when you’re hedging the point differential to prove the point mentioned above.

[FastpacedO]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

Let rodney explain

 

Other guy said 23 had no credibility

23 basically just said why are you talking to me if I have no credibility

He is correct, reading from my phone I mistook that he had "to" instead of "from". I am not scared to admit when I am in the wrong.

I will say though that Carroll never was a part if my posts in this thread. I've no idea where that came from.

[23andCounting]

1 hour ago, FastpacedO said:

Please do quote me where I said anything about Fishers and Carroll. I have specifically stated Crown Point and put them at a 4 seed, sorry if you are upset about that. 

Sorry about that, somehow I had Carroll on the brain. But yes, it was Crown Point vs Fishers. That's what I meant.

Not upset about you having an opinion. I just don't know how you put a team with two blowout losses ahead of Crown Point, that's all. You've explained yourself, but any reasonable person on a committee is probably going to side with me on this and put Crown Point at #3 and Fishers at #4. 

[temptation]

21 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Sorry about that, somehow I had Carroll on the brain. But yes, it was Crown Point vs Fishers. That's what I meant.

Not upset about you having an opinion. I just don't know how you put a team with two blowout losses ahead of Crown Point, that's all. You've explained yourself, but any reasonable person on a committee is probably going to side with me on this and put Crown Point at #3 and Fishers at #4. 

Guess I’m not reasonable.

[23andCounting]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

You’ve just gotten a lot of mileage out of the HSE/Carroll game from a few years back, the Westfield/CP game from two years ago and this year’s CG/Carroll tilt.

You seem offended when anyone suggests that those were anomalies but in the case of this year’s Carroll loss to CG, used a “close game” to justify that the gap from the central Indy teams to the non-Carmel/Westfield’s of the world is embellished.

Common sense states Carmel is likely coming out of the north and if not, likely Westfield.  I just wanna know when you’re hedging the point differential to prove the point mentioned above.

You said "show me," and shortly after the North puts together a string of pretty good wins. Now all these wins are an "anomaly?" I once said you're the least biased person on the forum, but that stock is going down. To no fault of your own, you just naturally gravitate toward the area you're from like we all do. 

Offended? Nah. I've got bigger fish to fry. I do however enjoy the debate. If 21-17 midway through the 3rd with CG stuck in their own territory 3/4 of the third quarter isn't a close game, then maybe I should just quit posting. Ironic that you say I'm the one who's offended, lol. My "close game" and "harder hitting team" comments caused pandemonium from around the donut. True north has 3 pretty good teams compared to Indy's 14, I get that. No harm, no foul. I just find it utterly amusing that you guys get so "offended" when I suggest that a few teams up here can hang with your big boys. Crown Point or Carroll would give Fishers a good game, I'm sorry, it's just my opinion. 

I think common sense tells you that if Westfield can somehow beat Carmel, then they are the likely candidate to represent the north based on past history. When I look at body of work over the course of THIS season, I see Crown Point or Carroll giving Westfield a run for their money. Sorry Penn guys, I'm not sold yet, rooting for you though.  

Now, to answer your hypothetical question from earlier: If Carroll, Crown Point, Homestead, Westfield, Noblesville, and HSE were in the same sectional:

Carroll   25%

Crown Point   25%

Hamilton SE   25%

Homestead   0%

Noblesville   0%

Westfield   25%

No moral victories, Carroll and CP are playing to win. Anything less is a disappointment. Now I'll go hide under a blanket and wait for your laughing emoji.

[temptation]

2 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

You said "show me," and shortly after the North puts together a string of pretty good wins. Now all these wins are an "anomaly?" I once said you're the least biased person on the forum, but that stock is going down. To no fault of your own, you just naturally gravitate toward the area you're from like we all do. 

Offended? Nah. I've got bigger fish to fry. I do however enjoy the debate. If 21-17 midway through the 3rd with CG stuck in their own territory 3/4 of the third quarter isn't a close game, then maybe I should just quit posting. Ironic that you say I'm the one who's offended, lol. My "close game" and "harder hitting team" comments caused pandemonium from around the donut. True north has 3 pretty good teams compared to Indy's 14, I get that. No harm, no foul. I just find it utterly amusing that you guys get so "offended" when I suggest that a few teams up here can hang with your big boys. Crown Point or Carroll would give Fishers a good game, I'm sorry, it's just my opinion. 

I think common sense tells you that if Westfield can somehow beat Carmel, then they are the likely candidate to represent the north based on past history. When I look at body of work over the course of THIS season, I see Crown Point or Carroll giving Westfield a run for their money. Sorry Penn guys, I'm not sold yet, rooting for you though.  

Now, to answer your hypothetical question from earlier: If Carroll, Crown Point, Homestead, Westfield, Noblesville, and HSE were in the same sectional:

Carroll   25%

Crown Point   25%

Hamilton SE   25%

Homestead   0%

Noblesville   0%

Westfield   25%

No moral victories, Carroll and CP are playing to win. Anything less is a disappointment. Now I'll go hide under a blanket and wait for your laughing emoji.

Westfield has played 2 poor quarters all season.  

They would roll Carroll/Crown Point.

[23andCounting]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Westfield has played 2 poor quarters all season.  

They would roll Carroll/Crown Point.

Westfield 35, Homestead 0     4 full quarters

Carroll 35, Homestead 0     Halftime

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Westfield 35, Homestead 0     4 full quarters

Carroll 35, Homestead 0     Halftime

“I put more stock into transitive property than I do the Sagarin Ratings. You give a good example, but that's just one game. You have to look at overall body of work.”

You just can’t make this stuff up.

 

Edited October 24, 2025 by temptation

[23andCounting]

17 minutes ago, temptation said:

“I put more stock into transitive property than I do the Sagarin Ratings. You give a good example, but that's just one game. You have to look at overall body of work.”

You just can’t make this stuff up.

 

Lol. Pretty sure you're referring to Carroll losing to Dwenger. We'll find out more about the Saints in the next couple of weeks. But yeah, I can be reasonable here. Although Dwenger is a pretty good team with a REALLY good defense, Carroll takes a hit on "overall body of work." Good job Temp, that's why I enjoy debating with you. I'd have Westfield as a 7 point favorite over Carroll if I had money on the line. Happy? Probably not. "Westfield would roll Carroll." 

[temptation]

13 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Lol. Pretty sure you're referring to Carroll losing to Dwenger. We'll find out more about the Saints in the next couple of weeks. But yeah, I can be reasonable here. Although Dwenger is a pretty good team with a REALLY good defense, Carroll takes a hit on "overall body of work." Good job Temp, that's why I enjoy debating with you. I'd have Westfield as a 7 point favorite over Carroll if I had money on the line. Happy? Probably not. "Westfield would roll Carroll." 

You stated this when I showed Crown Point’s margin of victory over Pike and compared it to Zionsville and the MIC 5.

[23andCounting]

55 minutes ago, temptation said:

You stated this when I showed Crown Point’s margin of victory over Pike and compared it to Zionsville and the MIC 5.

Pike certainly isn't a BAD team, right? They just play in a brutal area of the state? Presuming they had something coming back from last season, you had them ranked pretty high in your preseason poll. There's been talk on here about Zionsville being a good team. You've got Warren Central at what, #12? Rodney holds Ben Davis in decently high regard. I don't think there's any harm in saying CP beat Pike by a wider margin by those three. 

Anyway, I'm out. Going to my fourth game this year..........Dwenger/Leo.

[temptation]

24 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Pike certainly isn't a BAD team, right? They just play in a brutal area of the state? Presuming they had something coming back from last season, you had them ranked pretty high in your preseason poll. There's been talk on here about Zionsville being a good team. You've got Warren Central at what, #12? Rodney holds Ben Davis in decently high regard. I don't think there's any harm in saying CP beat Pike by a wider margin by those three. 

Anyway, I'm out. Going to my fourth game this year..........Dwenger/Leo.

Never had Pike ranked.  Thought they were a fringe top 25-30 team…still place em in the low 40s.

(Also, you persuaded me that Carroll controlled much of the game against Northrop before the letting up a bit.)

Same thing happened in Pike/Warren as Pike scored 16 points in the final 8 minutes to force OT…and they should’ve won if not for the worst officiated call since the Carmel/Warren “force out” in the 2009 title game.

Edited October 24, 2025 by temptation

[Rodney]

26 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Rodney holds Ben Davis in decently high regard

I would like it known that I do not think Ben Davis is good, just that they are better than some of the teams ranked.

and I intend to use them as well as Zionsville as a weapon to un rank Merrillville, who gave up 23 points to portage

[BLACKGOLD2007]

Alright, who all is doing the Temp eliminator contest...

I am so torn on 6A, do I play it safe with a game I am dang near 100% sure of and take less points or risk the entire 6A on the Southport/Arsenal Tech game for a huge injection of points. 

I am at a crossroads. hahaha

[BLACKGOLD2007]

13 hours ago, Rodney said:

I would like it known that I do not think Ben Davis is good, just that they are better than some of the teams ranked.

and I intend to use them as well as Zionsville as a weapon to un rank Merrillville, who gave up 23 points to portage

Crap, well let's hope Penn is better than Merrillville for my sanities sake. I get Portage scoring 23 on LaPorte but not on Merrillville

 

[Rodney]

39 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Alright, who all is doing the Temp eliminator contest...

I am so torn on 6A, do I play it safe with a game I am dang near 100% sure of and take less points or risk the entire 6A on the Southport/Arsenal Tech game for a huge injection of points. 

I am at a crossroads. hahaha

I already lost 4a because highland decided to throw apparently

were going with tech game 1

[BLACKGOLD2007]

24 minutes ago, Rodney said:

I already lost 4a because highland decided to throw apparently

were going with tech game 1

I lost 1A which sucks because that class is full of Sagarin points

[23andCounting]

2 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I lost 1A which sucks because that class is full of Sagarin points

Sounds like you need to go all in on Southport.

[Trojanmp52]

On 10/23/2025 at 7:19 PM, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Like when we abused Center Grove in 2000 . Penn could of scored 50+ that game. Starters were pulled at halftime , that's called class . 

Abused please it 21 to 0. Cg also the there 2 best RB get hurt in the practice leading up the game and one of them played both ways

[Trojanmp52]

There is been talk on how to see the tournament and think this idea might work the best, but please poke holes in it that is the only way it could be made better.

First for do away with sectionals or do a way with regionals.  What ever you do combine those 8 teams into a super sectional or regional, or what ever you want to call it.  for seeding take the Sarger, coached polls, media poll, have 9 athletic directors of the 16 on there side of the bracket and have a group from the ishaa do ranking as well.  You take the throw out the top highest ranking and lowest then you average the last 4 and that is your ranking for seeding