6A Tournament: OFFICIAL Thread

[temptation]

25 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Brownsburg, Westfield, Hamilton Southeastern, Avon, and Fishers could only dream of having Penn's resume. 

And 75% of that list is comprised of the three largest schools in the state. In order to be a Blue Blood, you have to have a massive enrollment advantage over your opponents? 

I was always told that you should update your resume frequently…

Penn typed theirs on a typewriter.

[temptation]

4 hours ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Is this the type of contribution Coach Nowlin was thanking you for ?

Eh, once a line has been crossed the gloves come off.

Three dudes on here seem to have a fixation with me…don’t owe em anything.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

13 minutes ago, temptation said:

I was always told that you should update your resume frequently…

Penn typed theirs on a typewriter.

We get it , for some reason you hate Penn . That's your opinion and your welcome to it .Yes Penn has struggled in the last 20 years , but they still played in 2 title games in the last 10 years . How many title games has Fishers , HSE , Crown Point and 80% of the rest of 6A played in the last 10 years . In 2023 Penn lost by a point to the state runner up . In 2017 they waxed Carmel 34-7 , handing the Greyhounds one of their worse losses of the year . Hardly written on a typewriter . If I were you , I would worry about your Almer Mater . After this year , they haven't done anything in 7 years . 

[23andCounting]

35 minutes ago, temptation said:

I was always told that you should update your resume frequently…

Penn typed theirs on a typewriter.

Like it or not, you're just one opinion. Penn is still considered one of the best programs in the state. I'm saying this from two hours away. Ninety percent of those with a fully developed frontal lobe would agree. So no, if you're under 25, you don't get an opinion on this. 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

22 minutes ago, temptation said:

Eh, once a line has been crossed the gloves come off.

Three dudes on here seem to have a fixation with me…don’t owe em anything.

Gloves come off of what , your typing fingers? If only we could do a charity event with proceeds going to the GID , where the gloves really come off . 

[FastpacedO]

On 10/24/2025 at 3:31 PM, 23andCounting said:

Sorry about that, somehow I had Carroll on the brain. But yes, it was Crown Point vs Fishers. That's what I meant.

Not upset about you having an opinion. I just don't know how you put a team with two blowout losses ahead of Crown Point, that's all. You've explained yourself, but any reasonable person on a committee is probably going to side with me on this and put Crown Point at #3 and Fishers at #4. 

A reasonable person on a committee would look at both teams (Crown Point and Fishers) and see that those 2 losses that Fishers had were 49-24 to 6A #2 Carmel (8-1 lone loss to Trinity Louisville KY) and 42-14 at 6A #1 Brownsburg (9-0). They will take into account that Fishers was 6-3 playing the #1 SOS in Indiana and Crown Point was 9-0 playing the 31st SOS in Indiana. They will account that Fishers opponents were 49-32 on the year and Crown Points opponents were 37-45. They will see that every opponent Fisher played was in 6A and they played 5 of 9 opponents that were ranked in the top 10 (going 2-3). They will see Crown Point played 3 6a schools, 5 5A schools, and 1 4A school none were in the top 10 of 6A, 2 were in the top 10 of 5A (Merrillville at #3 and Michigan City at #9), and 1 was top 10 in 4A (#9 Lowell). There would be a lot more to look at than just "Fishers lost in blowouts in 2 games", they could also look into opinions would the result be different if Crown Point played Carmel or Brownsburg.

On 10/24/2025 at 3:57 PM, 23andCounting said:

Westfield 35, Homestead 0     4 full quarters

Carroll 35, Homestead 0     Halftime

You will die on that mountain won't you? Even though I pointed out this:

Westfield beat HSE at HSE 21-17 in 4 full quarters

HSE beat Carroll FW at HSE 14-7 in 4 full quarters

 

 

 

[temptation]

15 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

We get it , for some reason you hate Penn . That's your opinion and your welcome to it .Yes Penn has struggled in the last 20 years , but they still played in 2 title games in the last 10 years . How many title games has Fishers , HSE , Crown Point and 80% of the rest of 6A played in the last 10 years . In 2023 Penn lost by a point to the state runner up . In 2017 they waxed Carmel 34-7 , handing the Greyhounds one of their worse losses of the year . Hardly written on a typewriter . If I were you , I would worry about your Almer Mater . After this year , they haven't done anything in 7 years . 

I honestly don’t hate Penn… not sure why you think I do.

The reason I asked about your collegiate sports fandom is the fact that you always get easily triggered when someone is critical of Penn and revert back to the glory days like Notre Dame football, and Indiana basketball fans.

Penn is synonymous with Indiana high school football success and as @23andCounting points out, they have a proud tradition.

The only reason Penn has played in more state title games than the teams you mentioned above is because of their zip code.  

The 6A south gauntlet is where the real big boy football is played.  The de facto state title game is played before Thanksgiving weekend more often than not.

Don't really have an allegiance and if you pull the receipts, I’ve been critical of my Alma mater plenty.  Not sure why that is relevant to this conversation.

Warren and BD’s best football playing days are behind them and yes, by my own definition, their blue blood status is in peril if they don’t do anything in the next 3-4 years.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

12 minutes ago, temptation said:

I honestly don’t hate Penn… not sure why you think I do.

The reason I asked about your collegiate sports fandom is the fact that you always get easily triggered when someone is critical of Penn and revert back to the glory days like Notre Dame football, and Indiana basketball fans.

Penn is synonymous with Indiana high school football success and as @23andCounting points out, they have a proud tradition.

The only reason Penn has played in more state title games than the teams you mentioned above is because of their zip code.  

The 6A south gauntlet is where the real big boy football is played.  The de facto state title game is played before Thanksgiving weekend more often than not.

Don't really have an allegiance and if you pull the receipts, I’ve been critical of my Alma mater plenty.  Not sure why that is relevant to this conversation.

Warren and BD’s best football playing days are behind them and yes, by my own definition, their blue blood status is in peril if they don’t do anything in the next 3-4 years.

Any title game for Penn or any other northern team still has to go through Carmel/Westfield . 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

17 minutes ago, temptation said:

I honestly don’t hate Penn… not sure why you think I do.

The reason I asked about your collegiate sports fandom is the fact that you always get easily triggered when someone is critical of Penn and revert back to the glory days like Notre Dame football, and Indiana basketball fans.

Penn is synonymous with Indiana high school football success and as @23andCounting points out, they have a proud tradition.

The only reason Penn has played in more state title games than the teams you mentioned above is because of their zip code.  

The 6A south gauntlet is where the real big boy football is played.  The de facto state title game is played before Thanksgiving weekend more often than not.

Don't really have an allegiance and if you pull the receipts, I’ve been critical of my Alma mater plenty.  Not sure why that is relevant to this conversation.

Warren and BD’s best football playing days are behind them and yes, by my own definition, their blue blood status is in peril if they don’t do anything in the next 3-4 years.

Should I pull the receipts of how many times you referenced Bobref about the 2003 game . Like I said before , when it fits your narrative , you have no problem going back in time . 

[Rodney]

39 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Gloves come off of what , your typing fingers? If only we could do a charity event with proceeds going to the GID , where the gloves really come off . 

Im game

Let me ask my psychiatrist if its ok

[gonzoron]

42 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

If only we could do a charity event with proceeds going to the GID , where the gloves really come off . 

Be careful. Threads get locked over comments about donations. We wouldn't want this one to trigger the lock squad.

[23andCounting]

41 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

A reasonable person on a committee would look at both teams (Crown Point and Fishers) and see that those 2 losses that Fishers had were 49-24 to 6A #2 Carmel (8-1 lone loss to Trinity Louisville KY) and 42-14 at 6A #1 Brownsburg (9-0). 

You will die on that mountain won't you? Even though I pointed out this:

Westfield beat HSE at HSE 21-17 in 4 full quarters

HSE beat Carroll FW at HSE 14-7 in 4 full quarters

Absolutely no one in there right mind, outside of someone who's from Indy (and Rodney cause he likes to screw with the region guys) and are biased, would seed a two blowout loss Fishers team over Crown Point. I'm insulted that I'm even having this conversation. 

Transitive property only works if it makes a team from Indy look good. That's seems to be the trend in 2025. 

At the end of the day, I'm reasonable. We'll never know what Carroll would do against Westfield this season because the game isn't going to happen. We can speculate all we want.............waste time, waste breath. I happen to think Carroll has a good football team this year and you Indy guys seem offended by that? Why? I know politicians always considered Fort Wayne a threat to Indy's hierarchy, doesn't seem to be any different among high school football fans. My advice is to relax and keep calm, Fort Wayne won't overtake Indy football any time in the foreseeable future. So why not just look at things objectively in the meantime? 

[23andCounting]

51 minutes ago, temptation said:

The only reason Penn played in more state title games than the teams you mentioned above is because of their zip code.  

The 6A south gauntlet is where the real big boy football is played.  The de facto state title game is played before Thanksgiving weekend more often than not.

I don't think your zip code comment has anything to do with it. Back when Penn was winning state titles, there were really only three teams in Indy that were any good, which happened to be the three largest schools in the state. Bloomington South had two, Castle had one, Penn had their fair share, Snider had one (could have been more minus some misfortunes.) The 80's were pretty much owned by the Indy "massive enrollment" three, although Snider was right there but had some unfortunate injuries that may have cost them in '81 and without a doubt in '86. The 90's were anyone's for the taking. The 2000's started the explosion of the burbs and the birth of Center Grove and the HCC. You can't discredit Penn's succuss, because ultimately, they beat Indy's best to earn the blue ring. 

You're really downplaying your own with that comment. Hamilton Southeastern, Carmel, Westfield, and Fishers just happen to play in the North. Which seven teams from the south do you have beating those four.......plus Crown Point, Penn, and Carroll?

[Rodney]

19 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Absolutely no one in there right mind, outside of someone who's from Indy (and Rodney cause he likes to screw with the region guys) and are biased, would seed a two blowout loss Fishers team over Crown Point. I'm insulted that I'm even having this conversation. 

Transitive property only works if it makes a team from Indy look good. That's seems to be the trend in 2025. 

At the end of the day, I'm reasonable. We'll never know what Carroll would do against Westfield this season because the game isn't going to happen. We can speculate all we want.............waste time, waste breath. I happen to think Carroll has a good football team this year and you Indy guys seem offended by that? Why? I know politicians always considered Fort Wayne a threat to Indy's hierarchy, doesn't seem to be any different among high school football fans. My advice is to relax and keep calm, Fort Wayne won't overtake Indy football any time in the foreseeable future. So why not just look at things objectively in the meantime? 

I would seed cp #2 north

 

I think Fishers would blast em though

[temptation]

2 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

I don't think your zip code comment has anything to do with it. Back when Penn was winning state titles, there were really only three teams in Indy that were any good, which happened to be the three largest schools in the state. Bloomington South had two, Castle had one, Penn had their fair share, Snider had one (could have been more minus some misfortunes.) The 80's were pretty much owned by the Indy "massive enrollment" three, although Snider was right there but had some unfortunate injuries that may have cost them in '81 and without a doubt in '86. The 90's were anyone's for the taking. The 2000's started the explosion of the burbs and the birth of Center Grove and the HCC. You can't discredit Penn's succuss, because ultimately, they beat Indy's best to earn the blue ring. 

You're really downplaying your own with that comment. Hamilton Southeastern, Carmel, Westfield, and Fishers just happen to play in the North. Which seven teams from the south do you have beating those four.......plus Crown Point, Penn, and Carroll?

Why are we continually changing the timeline here?

Penn, in 2025 and in the 6A era, is irrelevant.  Their success since the turn of the century, in most part has been due to their zip code.  They’ve called flat on the highest stage more often than not.

Those are facts.  It doesn’t take a genius to see that geography matters.  When I watch 6a south sectional, regional and semi-state games that are one possession and then watch the 6A north representative get their doors blown off on Thanksgiving weekend, that’s all the evidence I need.

This particular year, with Carmel’s resurgence, I expect a competitive game.  I could also see Westfield breaking through.  But now you wanna claim them as “northern teams?”

C’mon man.

[temptation]

4 minutes ago, Rodney said:

I would seed cp #2 north

 

I think Fishers would blast em though

Same.  Two things can be true at the same time.

Look no farther than the CFP format last year.  Boise and Arizona State were rewarded with high seeds based on winning their conference…but were underdogs once the games kicked off.

Crown Point, based on being undefeated, would garner the #2 seed but I am taking Westfield and Fishers over them in a heartbeat.

Westfield by multiple scores.  Fishers by 7-10.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

16 minutes ago, temptation said:

Why are we continually changing the timeline here?

Penn, in 2025 and in the 6A era, is irrelevant.  Their success since the turn of the century, in most part has been due to their zip code.  They’ve called flat on the highest stage more often than not.

Those are facts.  It doesn’t take a genius to see that geography matters.  When I watch 6a south sectional, regional and semi-state games that are one possession and then watch the 6A north representative get their doors blown off on Thanksgiving weekend, that’s all the evidence I need.

This particular year, with Carmel’s resurgence, I expect a competitive game.  I could also see Westfield breaking through.  But now you wanna claim them as “northern teams?”

C’mon man.

I can't answer why the egg laying in the title game , but in 2017 Penn beat Carmel in the semistate much worse than BD beat them a few weeks earlier . We all know what happened in the title game, it makes no sense . 

[temptation]

20 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

I can't answer why the egg laying in the title game , but in 2017 Penn beat Carmel in the semistate much worse than BD beat them a few weeks earlier . We all know what happened in the title game, it makes no sense . 

If I remember correctly the “city speed” narrative was in full effect here on the GID at that time.

@23andCounting claims that indoor field turf doubles an Indy teams’ speed.

[23andCounting]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

If I remember correctly the “city speed” narrative was in full effect here on the GID at that time.

@23andCounting claims that indoor field turf doubles an Indy teams’ speed.

Nah, I think Snider is one of those teams that elevate themselves in perfect playing conditions. I'm not just picking on Warren Central and Ben Davis. 

[23andCounting]

38 minutes ago, temptation said:

Same.  Two things can be true at the same time.

Look no farther than the CFP format last year.  Boise and Arizona State were rewarded with high seeds based on winning their conference…but were underdogs once the games kicked off.

Crown Point, based on being undefeated, would garner the #2 seed but I am taking Westfield and Fishers over them in a heartbeat.

Westfield by multiple scores.  Fishers by 7-10.

At least I'm seeing some reason here. You can have you're opinion all you want, both you and @Rodney on the outcomes. But I rest my case in seeding CP over Fishers. 

[23andCounting]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

The 6A south gauntlet is where the real big boy football is played.  

Were you or were you not referring to brackets? No, you can keep your Suburban Indy teams, the North doesn't want them. 

[temptation]

3 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

At least I'm seeing some reason here. You can have you're opinion all you want, both you and @Rodney on the outcomes. But I rest my case in seeding CP over Fishers. 

Seeding, sure.  I’ll meet you halfway.

Now, beating?

Nope.

1 minute ago, 23andCounting said:

Were you or were you not referring to brackets? No, you can keep your Suburban Indy teams, the North doesn't want them. 

Just referring to the regional and semi state teams on the bottom half of the bracket, so yes.

[23andCounting]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Seeding, sure.  I’ll meet you halfway.

Now, beating?

Nope.

I can live with that. See @FastpacedO, you're pretty much alone there. Two blowout losses my man. No way, no how Fishers gets a two seed. Using transitive property (Pike), Crown Points fits in nicely with the Indy teams. A two touchdown win over Merrillville isn't exactly bad. This seeding conversation is over. 

[Bash Riprock]

11 hours ago, temptation said:

Only a guy with an inferiority complex would bring up his playing days 40 years ago as an attempted flex in his “rules for who is permitted to talk about the game.”

This you?

No one said you weren’t permitted to comment….but it’s understandable why you lack insight on many of your comments because you lack experience. I get that triggers you…because you want to be the expert so darn bad. 
 

Bobby is a legend…he had the guts and motivation to play the game, even when Momma said no. Something you obviously lacked.  But hey, the game does needs people in the stands. They just typically don’t constantly try to sell themselves as experts. 
 

Guess with you, GID has their own version of this guy…how blessed we are…

 

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by Bash Riprock

[temptation]

45 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

No one said you weren’t permitted to comment….but it’s understandable why you lack insight on many of your comments because you lack experience. I get that triggers you…because you want to be the expert so darn bad. 
 

Bobby is a legend…he had the guts and motivation to play the game, even when Momma said no. Something you obviously lacked.  But hey, the game does needs people in the stands. They just typically don’t constantly try to sell themselves as experts. 
 

Guess with you, GID has their own version of this guy…how blessed we are…

 

 

And you can’t get enough of me.

In the palm of my hand I tell ya.

One minute:  “Keep up the content and bring back your HCC/MIC pick thread.”

The next:  “Stop trying to be an expert.”

LOL.

Edited October 27, 2025 by temptation