Hoosier Hills Conference

[Fkfootball]

13 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

As I stated I’ll defer to the experts. 

Word!

Yep. What do I know? I only played this sport for 6 years.

Edited August 31, 2024 by Fkfootball

[Impartial_Observer]

2 minutes ago, Fkfootball said:

Yep. What do I know? I only played this sport for 6 years.

No way I can argue with those credentials, you’re the man. 

[Uncle Bubba]

So are THS and FC playing tomorrow? I heard they canceled completely. 

[Impartial_Observer]

A LOT of schools looking for crews tomorrow 

[Uncle Bubba]

NVM…just heard tomorrow at 1 @green castle 

[Fkfootball]

9 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

No way I can argue with those credentials, you’re the man. 

You took the first shot. As usual.

9 hours ago, Uncle Bubba said:

So are THS and FC playing tomorrow? I heard they canceled completely. 

No. Greencastle at 1. Heard Bedford turned them down. 
 

 

Floyd Central needs to amend their scheduling. Louisville Metro Powerhouses. Teams 3 hours away. There has to be teams in Southern Indiana that they can play. Somewhere.

Edited August 31, 2024 by Fkfootball

[Fkfootball]

Floyd Central game vs THS has been cancelled due to transportation issues.

Edited August 31, 2024 by Fkfootball

[Coachhess]

1 hour ago, Fkfootball said:

You took the first shot. As usual.

No. Greencastle at 1. Heard Bedford turned them down. 
 

 

Floyd Central needs to amend their scheduling. Louisville Metro Powerhouses. Teams 3 hours away. There has to be teams in Southern Indiana that they can play. Somewhere.

This is the issue with that community. Playing powerhouse programs makes you better. Go add Providence to the schedule for what? To say you went 7-2 instead of 6-3? Utterly pointless. 

Draw a circle from Columbus to Vincennes to Evansville to New Albany. Tell me the number of programs that are successful, have an enrollment over 1000, and aren’t locked in to a full schedule. I’ll wait. Got my popcorn ready. 

[Impartial_Observer]

2 hours ago, Coachhess said:

This is the issue with that community. Playing powerhouse programs makes you better. Go add Providence to the schedule for what? To say you went 7-2 instead of 6-3? Utterly pointless. 

Draw a circle from Columbus to Vincennes to Evansville to New Albany. Tell me the number of programs that are successful, have an enrollment over 1000, and aren’t locked in to a full schedule. I’ll wait. Got my popcorn ready. 

SIAC schools with their conference schedule and natural rivals, probably a non-starter I would guess. Pretty much rules out most of Vincennes and Evansville. Columbus and Bloomington between their CI schedule, they have the crossover series with the Catholic league. Leave a date for a natural rival, not much left. 

[Frozen Tundra]

2 hours ago, Coachhess said:

This is the issue with that community. Playing powerhouse programs makes you better. Go add Providence to the schedule for what? To say you went 7-2 instead of 6-3? Utterly pointless. 

Draw a circle from Columbus to Vincennes to Evansville to New Albany. Tell me the number of programs that are successful, have an enrollment over 1000, and aren’t locked in to a full schedule. I’ll wait. Got my popcorn ready. 

No disrespect intended here but I’m not necessarily sure I agree. I believe playing successful programs CAN make you better but I think it’s relative to the situation. Floyd Central has played Louisville powerhouses for 15 years years now (with the exception of 2020 due to COVID). Where’s the improvement? All those games were blowouts. Outside of those games, it has only resulted in one sectional title during that time. Floyd Central is consistently one of the better HHC programs and their championship contention was always contingent on how Columbus East was so I’m not sure how those games have benefitted.

Speaking of Columbus East, when we won the 4A state title in 2013 we had an unbelievably weak schedule. That schedule, nor any of the other weak ones we’ve had, hindered us. To me, it’s more about personnel. You can play all the successful programs you want and you can work as hard as you want but, if you don’t have the talent, it’s not going to make you better via osmosis or what have you. Therefore, I would think there might be other teams within Kentucky for Floyd Central to play besides the Louisville powerhouses. Maybe I’m wrong though. I don’t have the visibility to know.

But that’s my opinion on the situation. Feel free to disagree.

[Fkfootball]

3 hours ago, Coachhess said:

This is the issue with that community. Playing powerhouse programs makes you better. Go add Providence to the schedule for what? To say you went 7-2 instead of 6-3? Utterly pointless. 

Draw a circle from Columbus to Vincennes to Evansville to New Albany. Tell me the number of programs that are successful, have an enrollment over 1000, and aren’t locked in to a full schedule. I’ll wait. Got my popcorn ready. 

I'm just asking. I'm not arguing. How does playing St X or Male HS, make you better? How come New Albany can get Castle and Bloomington Schools on their schedule? Coach Hess, it's not about the "community." It's about the players. They're probably tired of losing 52-14 in the opening game every season. At least get these games out of the opening game slot.

Edited August 31, 2024 by Fkfootball

[Fkfootball]

1 hour ago, Impartial_Observer said:

SIAC schools with their conference schedule and natural rivals, probably a non-starter I would guess. Pretty much rules out most of Vincennes and Evansville. Columbus and Bloomington between their CI schedule, they have the crossover series with the Catholic league. Leave a date for a natural rival, not much left. 

Ok. So schedule schools in Kentucky that don't compete for the 6A State Championship every season. 

54 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said:

No disrespect intended here but I’m not necessarily sure I agree. I believe playing successful programs CAN make you better but I think it’s relative to the situation. Floyd Central has played Louisville powerhouses for 15 years years now (with the exception of 2020 due to COVID). Where’s the improvement? All those games were blowouts. Outside of those games, it has only resulted in one sectional title during that time. Floyd Central is consistently one of the better HHC programs and their championship contention was always contingent on how Columbus East was so I’m not sure how those games have benefitted.

Speaking of Columbus East, when we won the 4A state title in 2013 we had an unbelievably weak schedule. That schedule, nor any of the other weak ones we’ve had, hindered us. To me, it’s more about personnel. You can play all the successful programs you want and you can work as hard as you want but, if you don’t have the talent, it’s not going to make you better via osmosis or what have you. Therefore, I would think there might be other teams within Kentucky for Floyd Central to play besides the Louisville powerhouses. Maybe I’m wrong though. I don’t have the visibility to know.

But that’s my opinion on the situation. Feel free to disagree.

Thank you! Finally someone gets the point!

[ptr]

6 hours ago, Fkfootball said:

Floyd Central game vs THS has been cancelled due to transportation issues.

I see there were problems with transportation, but before that, why did they find it necessary to try and play the game at Greencastle? Why couldn't they have rescheduled it at TH South where it was scheduled to be played on Friday before the postponement?

Edited August 31, 2024 by ptr

[btownqbcoach1]

7 hours ago, Fkfootball said:

I'm just asking. I'm not arguing. How does playing St X or Male HS, make you better? How come New Albany can get Castle and Bloomington Schools on their schedule? Coach Hess, it's not about the "community." It's about the players. They're probably tired of losing 52-14 in the opening game every season. At least get these games out of the opening game slot.

New Albany doesn't get Castle anymore. SIAC is closed for business. 

You all need to go to Indy, no other options. New Albany plays Franklin, Jeff got Whiteland.. 

I'd also contact Col North. Or yes, other KY schools. 

(This is not being critical of your coaching staff/AD).. just talking. 

[Frozen Tundra]

22 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

New Albany doesn't get Castle anymore. SIAC is closed for business. 

You all need to go to Indy, no other options. New Albany plays Franklin, Jeff got Whiteland.. 

I'd also contact Col North. Or yes, other KY schools. 

(This is not being critical of your coaching staff/AD).. just talking. 

I would think one of the CCC or EIAC schools would have an opening since they don’t play have a ton of conference games or guarantee games. Maybe Chatard, Roncalli, Lawrenceburg, or East Central could open up a spot for them. Or, like you said, other teams in Kentucky that aren’t powerhouse Louisville private schools.

[Frozen Tundra]

New Albany 28

South Bend Washington 18

Final

[Fkfootball]

3 hours ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

New Albany doesn't get Castle anymore. SIAC is closed for business. 

You all need to go to Indy, no other options. New Albany plays Franklin, Jeff got Whiteland.. 

I'd also contact Col North. Or yes, other KY schools. 

(This is not being critical of your coaching staff/AD).. just talking. 

And I appreciate this. I like when people answer questions.

[btownqbcoach1]

10 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

I would think one of the CCC or EIAC schools would have an opening since they don’t play have a ton of conference games or guarantee games. Maybe Chatard, Roncalli, Lawrenceburg, or East Central could open up a spot for them. Or, like you said, other teams in Kentucky that aren’t powerhouse Louisville private schools.

I had thought about them too, Triton Central would be a good option currently. Idc if they're 1000K students or not, Batesville is a good program. 

Mooresville, Martinsville. 

I agree with Coach Hess that they're in a tough spot to find games. It's 100% way more difficult than us just posting about it on GID. 

[Impartial_Observer]

While the loss of Madison has opened up options, it’s also created some issues. 

[Uncle Bubba]

I agree with @Coachhess

 

But hear me out on this idea. The loss of Madison from the conference has caused every team to find a new out-of-conference team to play. 

Let's take FC as an example. 

Normally they would play Male and Providence in wees 1 and 2 then 6 conference games.

 

When Madison left so they picked up Silver Creek. Then Providence dropped FC. Then male dropped.

 So, they had to pick up the manual for 2 years, and then St. x for 2 year,s and THS for 2 years. 

The only way to help everyone is to add another team to the HHC. Regionally the team that makes sense is to add Silver Creek. Now this doesn't help FC directly but indirectly it does.  If everyone has to play SC then everyone has to drop one existing opponent. This frees up an IN opponent for FC to pick up. Jeff may have to drop Whiteland, FC can pick them up to replace one of the Louisville powerhouse teams. I believe NA used to play Franklin, maybe they have to drop them so FC could pick that game up as well. 

Adding SC or any other team forces others to drop opponents. SC could compete with the current HHC teams. They are a growing community with new facilities, new additions to the school, growing student population. Their baseball team just got moved to 4a, the basketball team already plays a heavy HHC schedule. They are 1000+ students and will grow over the next 3-4 years. 

So a new FC schedule could look like this: Whiteland, Franklin, SC, and the rest of the current HHC teams. 

Another team that will grow is Charlestown. 

A lot of construction going on out that way with new bridges and commercial development. People want to move out of Louisville and the JCPS schools. 

I'm sure this won't work for everyone but it's an idea or example of how adding another conference opponent could help the situation. 

 

[btownqbcoach1]

45 minutes ago, Uncle Bubba said:

I agree with @Coachhess

 

But hear me out on this idea. The loss of Madison from the conference has caused every team to find a new out-of-conference team to play. 

Let's take FC as an example. 

Normally they would play Male and Providence in wees 1 and 2 then 6 conference games.

 

When Madison left so they picked up Silver Creek. Then Providence dropped FC. Then male dropped.

 So, they had to pick up the manual for 2 years, and then St. x for 2 year,s and THS for 2 years. 

The only way to help everyone is to add another team to the HHC. Regionally the team that makes sense is to add Silver Creek. Now this doesn't help FC directly but indirectly it does.  If everyone has to play SC then everyone has to drop one existing opponent. This frees up an IN opponent for FC to pick up. Jeff may have to drop Whiteland, FC can pick them up to replace one of the Louisville powerhouse teams. I believe NA used to play Franklin, maybe they have to drop them so FC could pick that game up as well. 

Adding SC or any other team forces others to drop opponents. SC could compete with the current HHC teams. They are a growing community with new facilities, new additions to the school, growing student population. Their baseball team just got moved to 4a, the basketball team already plays a heavy HHC schedule. They are 1000+ students and will grow over the next 3-4 years. 

So a new FC schedule could look like this: Whiteland, Franklin, SC, and the rest of the current HHC teams. 

Another team that will grow is Charlestown. 

A lot of construction going on out that way with new bridges and commercial development. People want to move out of Louisville and the JCPS schools. 

I'm sure this won't work for everyone but it's an idea or example of how adding another conference opponent could help the situation. 

 

What does SC gain? 

[Uncle Bubba]

19 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

What does SC gain? 

Maybe nothing right away.

But down the road, I believe they will be a 4a school across the board. They are usually at the top of the MSC in most sports now. Maybe they want to go compete with bigger schools or the other members may want to force them out due to them getting too big.

I think the HHC would be a good landing spot for them. They can still have the rilvary game against Charlestown and keep one other MSC game. Possibly Brownstown or Corydon or Scottsburg depending on the sport.

 Brownstown is always good in baseball, solid in football and the basketball team is very solid. 

Do they really want to keep playing Austin, Pekin, Henryville? That's not for me to answer.  

I am just looking at who could join and who has the best chance of growth to add good competition to HHC. 

Addressing @coachhess   concerns about quality opponents and the culture of FC fans. No SC isn't male, St. X, etc…but they already play them, if everyone else plays them then this could free up a whiteland, Plainfield, or Franklin to fill the gaps for st. X THS. Those teams are better for FC than Providence or other small schools in the area and are still somewhat in close proximity to the other teams. No 3 hour drive to THS or playing 6a private schools out of Louisville. Whiteland, Plainfield, Franklin are solid out of conference games.

 

Also, Does this help eliminate New Albany to travel to Indy on a Saturday to play a team out in South Bend? Or does NA already play SC now?? 

Just thinking and considering what's best for HHC's future. I'm afraid JC is going to want to drop out in the future as well. If that happens I believe the HHC may be done, then everyone will be looking for a new home. 

[Frozen Tundra]

2 hours ago, Uncle Bubba said:

Maybe nothing right away.

But down the road, I believe they will be a 4a school across the board. They are usually at the top of the MSC in most sports now. Maybe they want to go compete with bigger schools or the other members may want to force them out due to them getting too big.

I think the HHC would be a good landing spot for them. They can still have the rilvary game against Charlestown and keep one other MSC game. Possibly Brownstown or Corydon or Scottsburg depending on the sport.

 Brownstown is always good in baseball, solid in football and the basketball team is very solid. 

Do they really want to keep playing Austin, Pekin, Henryville? That's not for me to answer.  

I am just looking at who could join and who has the best chance of growth to add good competition to HHC. 

Addressing @coachhess   concerns about quality opponents and the culture of FC fans. No SC isn't male, St. X, etc…but they already play them, if everyone else plays them then this could free up a whiteland, Plainfield, or Franklin to fill the gaps for st. X THS. Those teams are better for FC than Providence or other small schools in the area and are still somewhat in close proximity to the other teams. No 3 hour drive to THS or playing 6a private schools out of Louisville. Whiteland, Plainfield, Franklin are solid out of conference games.

 

Also, Does this help eliminate New Albany to travel to Indy on a Saturday to play a team out in South Bend? Or does NA already play SC now?? 

Just thinking and considering what's best for HHC's future. I'm afraid JC is going to want to drop out in the future as well. If that happens I believe the HHC may be done, then everyone will be looking for a new home. 

Jennings County already tried leaving the HHC about three years ago but didn’t want to leave to go independent. They wanted to go to the EIAC but the EIAC wasn’t interested. So since there were no other options, they decided to remain in the HHC…for now.

[Frozen Tundra]

HHC Pick ‘Em Standings (after week 2):

@SPARKS 11/12

@Frozen Tundra 10/12

@Impartial_Observer 10/12

@LC_Bears_04 10/12

@Uncle Bubba 10/12

@Bluejacket1 9/12

@boilerfan87 9/12

@Bulldog15 9/12

@Fkfootball 9/12

@gonzoron 9/12

@Owls2005 9/12

@mamasa 8/12

Edited September 1, 2024 by Frozen Tundra

[Fkfootball]

5 hours ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

What does SC gain? 

As of right now, the MSC isn't any less than the HHC. Brownstown would beat most if not all, of the HHC teams. Silver Creek will probably play with FC next week. They're coming on.

Silver Creek is also going into the 4A sectionals with the HHC teams. Everything but Football.