Slobberknocker Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Some interesting stats Both first year starting QBs a Junior and Sophomore. I was surprised how close their stats are. CG T. Cherry(Jr) YDS 2124 c% 0.649 Y/G 163.4 Carroll J. Sullivan(So) YDS 2203 c% 0.648 Y/G 169.5 Overall running game, I give the edge to CG they have an awesome one two punch. But Carroll QB has the better running QB. CG YDS AVG Y/G TD Coyle(Sr) 1941 6.9 149.3 21 Thomeson(Sr) 954 6.2 79.5 9 Carrol YDS AVG Y/G TD Starks(So) 1134 6.4 87.2 7 Steely(Jr) 482 7.0 37.1 13 Sullivan(So) 182 2.4 14.0 9 Passing game, I say is a toss-up. CG has the leading receiving yards player, but Carroll distributes the ball around more. CG YDS AVG Y/G TD Coy(Jr) 1081 19.0 83.2 13 Hohlt(Sr) 227 15.1 25.2 3 Wright(Sr) 220 12.9 18.3 0 Carroll YDS AVG Y/G TD C. Herschberger(Sr) 737 12.9 56.7 7 H. Haffner(Jr) 479 12.9 36.8 10 J. Hill(Sr) 472 14.3 42.9 4 So, looking at stats from only the offense side of the game I give a slight edge to CG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, FastpacedO said: Can you give me a reason why you wouldn't hear that? If you look at 6A and 5A (it has been dominated by Indy area schools). Sucks to look at for those outside of Indy area schools but it is the truth. Why do Indy schools dominate 6A in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, BTF said: Why do Indy schools dominate 6A in your opinion? Are we really doing this again? This subject has been discussed on here ad nauseam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, temptation said: Are we really doing this again? This subject has been discussed on here ad nauseam. Ask your boys from Indy why they keep bringing it up. So yes, I want to hear his answer. Edited November 22, 2022 by BTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW HS Football Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 59 minutes ago, Slobberknocker said: Some interesting stats Both first year starting QBs a Junior and Sophomore. I was surprised how close their stats are. . . . So, looking at stats from only the offense side of the game I give a slight edge to CG. I looked at the stats of the two teams and, other than rushing yards, they are extremely close. However, it should be noted that Carroll didn't play a full 6A schedule and Center Grove did, and so Carroll stats may be not be on the par as the Trojans. Still, I have watched most of Carroll's games over the last 15 years and I this team has more talent across the board than previous squads, and that's without having a returner all-state LB in the lineup. Plus, they are playing for a fallen teammate and I believe that they are staying focused because of that purpose and will be well-prepared for Friday's game. Center Grove is very talented and the fact that their kids have played in state final games at LOS over the past several years gives them an advantage. Still, the Chargers have been playing all season long for #13 and the fact that they are 13-0 and made it this far is a great story, but I think they can play another inspirational game. You'll see plenty of orange in the stands to honor #OwenStrong. I'm picking Carroll 27-21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BTF said: Why do Indy schools dominate 6A in your opinion? This has been discussed more times than I can count since being a part of the GID dating back to the oldest format with TA at the helm (6A prior to that 5A). There are many factors (not just one) as an answer to that. I didn't bring anything up just asked a simple question. Look I'm sorry you and others are aggravated by my opinion that Center Grove will beat FW Carroll. I am entitled to that opinion and stand by it. If they don't then I will eat my crow. Nothing you or any one else post will change my opinion. Gameday is Friday we will soon find out. Edited November 22, 2022 by FastpacedO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Slobberknocker said: Some interesting stats Both first year starting QBs a Junior and Sophomore. I was surprised how close their stats are. CG T. Cherry(Jr) YDS 2124 c% 0.649 Y/G 163.4 Carroll J. Sullivan(So) YDS 2203 c% 0.648 Y/G 169.5 Overall running game, I give the edge to CG they have an awesome one two punch. But Carroll QB has the better running QB. CG YDS AVG Y/G TD Coyle(Sr) 1941 6.9 149.3 21 Thomeson(Sr) 954 6.2 79.5 9 Carrol YDS AVG Y/G TD Starks(So) 1134 6.4 87.2 7 Steely(Jr) 482 7.0 37.1 13 Sullivan(So) 182 2.4 14.0 9 Passing game, I say is a toss-up. CG has the leading receiving yards player, but Carroll distributes the ball around more. CG YDS AVG Y/G TD Coy(Jr) 1081 19.0 83.2 13 Hohlt(Sr) 227 15.1 25.2 3 Wright(Sr) 220 12.9 18.3 0 Carroll YDS AVG Y/G TD C. Herschberger(Sr) 737 12.9 56.7 7 H. Haffner(Jr) 479 12.9 36.8 10 J. Hill(Sr) 472 14.3 42.9 4 So, looking at stats from only the offense side of the game I give a slight edge to CG. Flawed comparison and you know it. 28 minutes ago, FW HS Football said: I looked at the stats of the two teams and, other than rushing yards, they are extremely close. However, it should be noted that Carroll didn't play a full 6A schedule and Center Grove did, and so Carroll stats may be not be on the par as the Trojans. Still, I have watched most of Carroll's games over the last 15 years and I this team has more talent across the board than previous squads, and that's without having a returner all-state LB in the lineup. Plus, they are playing for a fallen teammate and I believe that they are staying focused because of that purpose and will be well-prepared for Friday's game. Center Grove is very talented and the fact that their kids have played in state final games at LOS over the past several years gives them an advantage. Still, the Chargers have been playing all season long for #13 and the fact that they are 13-0 and made it this far is a great story, but I think they can play another inspirational game. You'll see plenty of orange in the stands to honor #OwenStrong. I'm picking Carroll 27-21. So you are basing your pick on focus and purpose huh? Bold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW HS Football Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, temptation said: Flawed comparison and you know it. So you are basing your pick on focus and purpose huh? Bold. Sometimes, having a purpose to play for will get a team through a game or two, when facing a better teams. I think that Friday's game might not be too big for Carroll. Unlike many underdogs playing in their first championship game that might look around and see the bright lights of LOS and not being ready to play. The Charges will have a section of stadium wearing orange (not the Chargers' colors by the way) to remind them they have one more game to play, not only for themselves, but for #13. Just my take. I've seen many games with inspirational stories end up being lopsided losses, too. Hoping for a Carroll win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, temptation said: Flawed comparison and you know it. So you are basing your pick on focus and purpose huh? Bold. Nope, I did not pick cg to win. I just stated that IMO stats gives CG an offensive edge. I leaning towards Carroll on the defense side of the ball. CG pass defense has ben bad often this season give up 325+ yards i think 4 times. First game against Cathedral CG gave up 400 passing yards. As who going to win I have no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, FW HS Football said: Sometimes, having a purpose to play for will get a team through a game or two, when facing a better teams. I think that Friday's game might not be too big for Carroll. Unlike many underdogs playing in their first championship game that might look around and see the bright lights of LOS and not being ready to play. The Charges will have a section of stadium wearing orange (not the Chargers' colors by the way) to remind them they have one more game to play, not only for themselves, but for #13. Just my take. I've seen many games with inspirational stories end up being lopsided losses, too. Hoping for a Carroll win. Does CG have a purpose? Taking nothing away from the story of the young man and not trying to sound insensitive but that sort of stuff is great for articles and stories leading up to the game but once the game kicks off becomes completely irrelevant. Edited November 22, 2022 by temptation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, temptation said: Does CG have a purpose? Taking nothing away from the story of the young man and not trying to sound insensitive but that sort of stuff is great for articles and stories leading up to the game but once the game kicks off becomes completely irrelevant. Completely? C'mon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, FastpacedO said: This has been discussed more times than I can count since being a part of the GID dating back to the oldest format with TA at the helm (6A prior to that 5A). There are many factors (not just one) as an answer to that. I didn't bring anything up just asked a simple question. Look I'm sorry you and others are aggravated by my opinion that Center Grove will beat FW Carroll. I am entitled to that opinion and stand by it. If they don't then I will eat my crow. Nothing you or any one else post will change my opinion. Gameday is Friday we will soon find out. You and 75% of all the other posters are taking CG. Probably a smart pick. Damn, they're Center Grove. Sounds like an easy pick to me. I just find it hilarious that you guys continue to point out that football is "better" in Indy. The Indy burbs has some of the best football (with obvious advantages) in the state. Indy proper has some of the worst. It's a wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, BTF said: Completely? C'mon Yes, completely. Also, it works both ways… https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2022/08/18/ihsaa-football-center-grove-coach-eric-moore-battling-cancer-again-indiana-state-champions/65403999007/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW HS Football Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, temptation said: Yes, completely. Also, it works both ways… https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2022/08/18/ihsaa-football-center-grove-coach-eric-moore-battling-cancer-again-indiana-state-champions/65403999007/ 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 hours ago, BTF said: Why do Indy schools dominate 6A in your opinion? Free lunches ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komets2727 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 3 hours ago, BTF said: You and 75% of all the other posters are taking CG. Probably a smart pick. Damn, they're Center Grove. Sounds like an easy pick to me. I just find it hilarious that you guys continue to point out that football is "better" in Indy. The Indy burbs has some of the best football (with obvious advantages) in the state. Indy proper has some of the worst. It's a wash. It was 100% of the Grid last week vs HSE… Progress has been made… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) “ I just find it hilarious that you guys continue to point out that football is "better" in Indy. The Indy burbs has some of the best football (with obvious advantages) in the state. Indy proper has some of the worst. It's a wash.” Are you really using IPS schools now in your judgement of Indy football? I’ve been as critical/outspoken of the MIC 6 as anyone on here but don’t lump Tech, Shortridge and Tindley in with Warren, BD, LC, and LN. You look foolish. One damn win by Carroll and you are sweating some sort of arrogance mixed with fake disrespect. And I like you. Edited November 23, 2022 by temptation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDRUSH1985 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Komets2727 said: It was 100% of the Grid last week vs HSE… Progress has been made… There were I believe 3 of us that picked Carroll over HSE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 13 hours ago, BTF said: You and 75% of all the other posters are taking CG. Probably a smart pick. Damn, they're Center Grove. Sounds like an easy pick to me. I just find it hilarious that you guys continue to point out that football is "better" in Indy. The Indy burbs has some of the best football (with obvious advantages) in the state. Indy proper has some of the worst. It's a wash. By Indy proper you must mean IPS. Yes IPS is terrible busing many years ago killed IPS being competitive in football as athletes were being bused to Township schools outside 465. Indianapolis still has great football teams inside 465. Cathedral, Chatard, Brebeuf, Heritage Christian, and Speedway are all inside Indianapolis or Indy Proper. There is a good history with IPS in the past. The last really good IPS was around 1999 with Arlington High School who went 11-2 (see below). Washington, Howe, Arsenal Tech all had a rich history in football. Washington dies off after Coach Springer retired (McGinnis and Downing weren't only great basketball players but also great football players). So yes IPS is now terrible but not all of the Indy proper is terrible. I asked a simple question and you took it to the max, that's on you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDRUSH1985 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 13 hours ago, temptation said: Does CG have a purpose? Taking nothing away from the story of the young man and not trying to sound insensitive but that sort of stuff is great for articles and stories leading up to the game but once the game kicks off becomes completely irrelevant. Maybe you should say , In My Opinion completely irrelevant . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 50 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said: Maybe you should say , In My Opinion completely irrelevant . I was being polite for a change…and it’s not an opinion. If you can point to concrete evidence of a team ever winning a game due to an extra “purpose” or “12th man”, I’d love to see it. (Don’t make me create another spreadsheet.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDRUSH1985 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, temptation said: I was being polite for a change…and it’s not an opinion. If you can point to concrete evidence of a team ever winning a game due to an extra “purpose” or “12th man”, I’d love to see it. (Don’t make me create another spreadsheet.) Can you point to concrete evidence that suggest a team didn't win because they had extra "purpose" ? It goes both ways . There is no evidence either way , that's why it's an opinion . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDRUSH1985 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Temp , do you need some sort of evidence , data , stat sheets and spreadsheets for possibly anything to be true ? Just asking . WOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said: Can you point to concrete evidence that suggest a team didn't win because they had extra "purpose" ? It goes both ways . There is no evidence either way , that's why it's an opinion . LOL. Yes. Just like “travel” being cited as a major reason for road teams losing big games, an “extra purpose” is WAY down the list when it comes to important factors once the game is kicked off. I’ve never seen Jesus wearing a head set or holding a clipboard and until I do, my “opinion” trumps yours. 2 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said: Temp , do you need some sort of evidence , data , stat sheets and spreadsheets for possibly anything to be true ? Just asking . WOW I believe college English professors refer to this as “supporting evidence” and a works cited page. Edited November 23, 2022 by temptation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 13 hours ago, temptation said: Yes, completely. Also, it works both ways… https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2022/08/18/ihsaa-football-center-grove-coach-eric-moore-battling-cancer-again-indiana-state-champions/65403999007/ Can't read the story and won't. It's subscription only. I won't support any newspaper that clearly leans one direction politically. No different than FW newspapers. Those running the newspapers aren't smart enough to understand 'don't mix politics with business.' I think I get your point by looking at the title of the link. In most cases, every team has a story, some more powerful than others. 10 hours ago, temptation said: One damn win by Carroll and you are sweating some sort of arrogance mixed with fake disrespect. Elaborate please. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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