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All I'm saying is that whatever problems exist with current NIC schools....those problems are not the current NLC schools' to solve. At no point am I "mad" about anything. I'm just trying to point out the reality of how these decisions are made, and all of these schools should be welcome to make the best decisions for their own student athletes. Sometimes those best interests are common to other schools...sometimes they aren't.

Why should the NLC blow up their conference to help SB area schools???? This would be stupid for Ply/Waw/NR/NW. Say bye bye to a large amount of your athletic gate, and quite a few of your JV/Frosh contests in a lot of sports. Several MUCH smaller athletic programs want nothing to do with the SB schools for those exact reasons. Why should 4A NLC schools want to hitch themselves to those SB schools???? You could argue that the NLC is holding back Warsaw, but they have a much better situation in the NLC than they would in a South Bend/Elkhart conference.

Been several years since I've had an oppourtunity to talk to Coach James...but spent MANY summers working Belden Line Camp with Coach James back in the day. He is one of the good ones, and there wasn't just a little bit of knowledge I absorbed from him....both X&O's and just how to coach kids. Best of Luck Coach!!

From the Star article, they mention "safety"...apparently too many injuries are occuring during rebounds after free throws. Eliminating that occasional extra rebound is "safer" Total clown explanation

I beleive all HCC teams are only non-con weeks 1 & 2. Penn is a nice fit in the HCC in terms of school size, demographics, etc. Just not too close. Would be nice to see them schedule some HCC teams.

Penn to the NLC does nothing for Penn on the big stage. Is it better than current NIC situation....yes. Is playing Northwood, Northridge, Goshen, & Concord preparing you to beat the best schools in the Region, FW, and Indy...emphatically No. Go Indendent, and I'm sure with in a year or so you could schedule Mishawaka, Warsaw, Elkhart, and a couple DAC schools, along with your marquee matchups with Carmel, Cathedrawl, Brother Rice, etc. It seems like you could get CG on a schedule too. Penn to the NLC makes zero sense for the NLC or Penn.

Does TV not have a JV?

Did Clay have a JV and/or Frosh team last year? If not, then I can completley understand a school dropping them. Why schedule a team that would not allow your own JV and Frosh to have a game that week?

In my mind I hear "Holiday Road" from National Lampoon's Vacation playing while I look at this map.

That seems to be a textbook case of what Bob is describing above. I don't know if he rules were different in 2000, but that looks like blatant false start to simulate a snap...they aren't even "shifting" to a legal formation.

I have no actual knowledge of this decision process at WC, but I don't see Kirsch being so petty. I could see Kirsch saying to someone else ..."Look we aren't driving all the way to FtW on Saturday for JV/Frosh...can we at least drive to CG for those games"

and the options were....?

Kicking Goshen out too?

Maybe they'll need some new bus drivers???

Or take 421?

Could be some of both?....Trader's Point Christian is right there off 65. I don't know how long theyve been open, but they've only had football a handful of years.

Its not. The fact that some of the NIC schools cannot field JV/Freshman teams in MANY sports is the primary factor. Why should Bremen, Jimtown, Glenn, etc stay in conference when half the kids in their programs constantly have their games/contests cancelled. Seems like the only responsible thing to do for their student athletes. The reality is, this change says less about the smaller NIC schools and MUCH more about some of the larger schools. All conferences have different by-laws, but generally is a combination of the Principals & AD's.

Recently spoke to a HC at one of the 3 schools mentioned often in this thread. They were very specific this was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, and for some was THE primary factor in leaving NIC.

Penn, Elkhart....maybe Warsaw. Strange things may happen in the Region with Penn, Elkhart, Harr, & McCutch all being part of recent conference shake ups.

Lebanon is the next Zionsville/Westfield/Whiteland/etc Lots of development in that area in terms of business....and also right off 65. WeBo and Lebanon should be looking 10 years into the future instead of 10 years into the past.

Is it odd that only Harr & McC were voted out but not LJ? Does it make more sense to look north or south for a new home?

Didn't see it posted anywhere.....Did I hear that Harrison and McCutcheon were voted out of NCC and Jeff is still in????? Can any Lafayette people verify this? Or is this rumor mill? Admins can delete if appropriate.

No offense taken....non intended either. Just feel there is more demographic diversity (of all types...F/R, PP vs Public, etc, etc) in soccer at the state level than in the other sports people are referencing. But I will meet anyone at the Silver Dollar at dusk if you want to call XC a "country club sport" 😀 (if anyone knows this reference it shows your age)

Just based on recent memory....Chesterton, Goshen, Bishop Noll, Argos, Wheeler and Lake Central and a few others would disagree with this assement. You don't see anywhere near that "diversity" in swimming, golf, tennis

My understanding of the term....Swimming, Golf & Tennis (aka things commonly done at country club). Although I know many throw in XC (which I would disagree with). I know Muda wasn't referring to me...and also why I didn't use the term in my earlier post. Must be the cultural island of Sheridan that pollutes his opinions (I kid, I kid).🤪