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Can't disagree more....this quote is beyond stupid. Bumping up a program without a title is a joke. If AC's enrollement moves them up...so be it, but to SF a team up that has not won a title is a joke.

Can't agree more....this is beyond stupid. "Congratulations on building a program at a small public school that is on the cusp of winning a state title. We are now going to bump you up a class even though you haven't won that title." Sincerely, hugs ang kisses, the IHSAA

Go back to my previous posts. Especially on page 3(?) about coaching hires. No one should be shocked it didn't work out for Coach W (this is NOT a reflection on someone who is by all accounts a very effective HC). Nor should anyone be suprised that a coach who, now having seen it from the inside, decides he doesn't have the support needed to right the ship and determines he'd rather step aside than continue pretending things can get better. Support for a program means helping the coach get the coaches he needs on staff AND in the building. The rest is frosting....coaching hires is the minimum. I doubt that's happening at Goshen or Elkhart.

Goshen has a bulge from 6th thru 10th....everything younger than that is dropping. See my other post, a lot of Goshen families moving to FF

Quite a few old Elkhart/Goshen families are currently living in Northridge, Northwood, & Fairfield districts. I'm sure some of the other adjacent districts to Elkhart/SB have also seen some of those movers. Further, there is a HUGE amount of old NLC familites living in the north burbs of Indy. There are lot NLC offspring on HCC/HamCo rosters down here.

There are several large high schools in Indiana that have 2 "AD's" sometime one for boys sports and one for girls, sometimes they just separate the sports up based on expertise/interest/workload. Not unusual at all in 6A especially

Seems to be the same thing that has happened in South Bend, then Elkhart, now Goshen. Correctly or incorrectly, it’s no longer seen as a desirable place to be for many. So, those than can, move “out” to adjacent districts.

Yes....but going back much more than just a decade. Completley different community than it was around 2000. The changes are well beyond the high school. Questions such as "What has happened to Goshen Football/Athletics/High?" would be better phrased as "What has happened to the City of Goshen?"

Open question….. Would your opinion of neutral site Regional/SS games change if tournament was seeded….rewarding better seeds with the home games?

Looking at DOE data for Warsaw schools you are right...those two small classes are huge outliers....in fact I'd argue they will be alot closer to 2,200 in coming years than 2,000. Northridge probably still has at least one more cycle in 4A....maybe more. They need to leap frog 4 schools...even with Dwenger dropping back down the schools ahead of them aren't necessarily shrinking either..maybe Kokomo, but Kokomo has almost 100 kids over them already.

While it might be common with 1A-3A....how many conferences have schools spread somewhat evenly over 6A-4A?? Without any of them being P/P. Two 6A, Two 5A, four 4A? Maybe its more common than I think but it seems unusual... NIC is a mess, so that is what it is....but definitley a big advantage for a good 4A program to be playing 5A & 6A schools all year.

So because NW lost to 6A (and potential sectional champ) Warsaw, and lost by less than a score (and could lose tomorrow) to 4A #9 Northridge...the community should throw the coaching staff under a buggy based on the preseason predictive abilities of random people? Bold strategy Cotton...

For the life of me I can't understand why they can't publish this....I looked all over last week and nothing. A lot of people would like to plan for potential attendance, or just plan for attending "their" classes games.

My understanding is this can happen after a touchback and before a PAT....correct? are there other instances?

This isn't a "loop hole", its called a scrimmage kick. But the part in bold above is wrong.... The rules that govern a punt are almost identical to the rules that govern a FG....they are "scrimmage kicks". If a scrimmage kick goes into the EZ in high school football, it is a touchback. If it doesn't...it can be returned, just like a punt. But it's not a touchback becausae its a missed field goal...it HAS to cross the GL, just like a punt. Ironically...(given this thread topic) I beleive the longest play in Goshen High School football history is a 99 yard FG return for TD by future Boiler Todd Stelma.....against who??.... the Warsaw Tigers.

No complaint from me on using something else....as long as it doesn't include "polls".

There seems to be more "talk" amongst coaches....that plus the Indystar article just gives me a feeling. Wont know for sure until IFCA starts meeting again in the off-season. Unlike last time the IFCA made a propasal, all the "pieces" seem to be in place now (mercy rule being the big one). ETA: My personal preference would be to seed the sectionals top to bottom using Sagarin, with better seeds getting the first home game. Then just playing the rest of the tournament as we have been. I have no idea what would actually be proposed by IFCA (previous was just seed the top 2 teams in sectional).

I actually think you'll see some type of sectional seeding in the next few years.

No one should ever get SF'd up a class if they HAVEN'T previously won a state title. Requirement to bump should be points AND a title.

When????? I'm old(!) and you'd have to go way back before I can remember....

Does a tipped ball negate defensive holding on a reciever?

I've always thought Penn would be a perfect fit in the HCC, across all sports....just way too far away. I'd agree that football wise they'd be right in the middle. Penn vs Noblesville would be a very interesting match-up, for a lot of reasons.

I was a track athlete in the 90s and coached it from 2000….”seeding” was a commonly used term my entire life.

I’m not sure you were referencing my post…but just in case, and to be clear what I have said before: I’m suggesting 1A and 6A should be 32 teams….divide the rest up evenly. FURTHER….rolling 3-4 year SF…and no P/P in 1A. The No p/p in a 32 school 1A go hand in glove…no point in doing one without the other. This prevents two P/P from yo-young up and down in and out of the now smallest 1A. Not sure this would happen, but prevents it from occurring.

So if a "covered" TE pegs....he would be locked? I think this is how I'm reading the above....