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First time I've seen the video. I don't know Coach Osborn, have never meet him (I know coaches at both schools in other sports, all good people) But let me be devil's advocate....I'm gonna try and be the one person to give him some benefit of the doubt from watching the video... Game ends, some CG kids rush the floor. In my opinion this isn't a really egregious "court storming" as the group more or less just runs out to celebrate with the CG players. Quite a bit of space between benches and this crowd. Not near as many people as I assumed based on the way I'd heard it described. Carmel players start to head over to shake hands with a few CG players on other side of scorer's table. But most CG players are in the celebration near center court. Carmel coach points for team to go back other way and around to leave. So now Carmel Coach is directing his team to go back around the crowd on their way out. They have to cross the scorer's table agin to do this and go out other end. During this time Coach has his back toward the CG celebration and there is space between him and Carmel players who are doing as they are told and heading out. At about this same time, it appears the CG players are being directed to go "shake hands" with the Carmel team and a line of CG players now starts to move between the exiting Carmel players and the Carmel coach. Players all look to be exhibiting good sportsmanship here. Looks like some CG coaches/officials are also trying to stay between this handshake line and the crowd...good for them. Carmel Coach is now kind of on his own, on the CG side of the handshake line, and starts to head towards the end of it to meet up with his team... Now from that point on, I can't tell from that grainy video what happens. But as a coach who has been around a lot of handshake lines...I don't see him "purposefully" storming through the crowd...at least initially. I think he didn't realize CG players were gonna walk through when/where they did for a handshake and he tried to cut around it as best he could. Did he do something inappropriate at the end? I sure can't tell from the video, so I won't say he did or he didn't. But I think my interpretation is at least a little different than some others.... Flame away if you want....just my 2 cents

And my comment was in jest

Not likely....families move across country just to put their elite kids in this program. USA Diving is also headquartered in Indy so that is an additional incentive. Ironically it doesn't seem like Carmel had a very good diver this year? Its not just that they won...they more than doubled the points of 2nd place Fishers. Carmel won all but 2 or 3 events and had multiple girls in the top 3 in almost all of them...swept at least one. We always think of football first when we discuss the conference affiliations...but can you blame a Fishers girls swim program that would then have to share a conference meet, sectional, etc with Carmel. I'm not accusing Carmel of doing ANYTHING inappropriate...its arguably the most successful high school program of any sport of all time! But looking at it from another school's perspective, I at least understanding the desire to say "no thanks" to Carmel being in your conference.

If I was doing the schedules on the JH site, I think I might wait it out a little bit before doing the schedules for Carmel and "other" metro indy schools🤪

Didn't read the article.....but curious if there is a large control group of non-NFL brains that are also being screened for CTE?

Is this being reported?

Don’t assume I think it’s a bad thing at all….but I think it’s hypocritical to claim you are serving both goals.

The "Holy Fathers" (including Swarbrick? Heard all sorts of rumors of whose sets the rules) love to claim that ND, as a program, has everything in place to be a national super power....the truth is they don't really want to be. Unless the school will allow the coaching staff to recruit the same kids, the same way that Bama, Clemson, OSU, etc are doing. ND will be the best of the Standfords and Northwesterns. Kelly got tired of it and had a very successful first year in the SEC and dominated Purdue in the bowl. My guess is Tommy Rees saw the same thing. Not impressed with Freeman, but to be honest...its not a job you can just walk into and be successful given all the things stated above. Until the recruiting philosophy/requirements/etc change, ND will be what they have been for most of the last quarter century. Unable (or rather unwilling) to compete with the big boys. I say all these things as a lifer ND fan.

What about this question.... Should a school nominate a player they KNOW has no intention of playing in the N/S All-Star game...even if selected? In other words, if Johnny Walker is graduating early and going to a big Power 5 school like Ol'Tex, UCC, or State University...who will not allow him to play in the game...should a coaching staff nominate him?

Then I hope this ends to discussion of changing the DPI enforcement?

If/When an HCC south pops up...I think there will be some "shuffling" of the deck. HCC would probably lose a few schools to that new conference. Some of current/past MIC schools would be absorbed into both. What remains of the MIC would remain to be seen. The big "IF" would be if what @temptation says "could" happen...does in fact happen. If CG and/or Carmel (and Cathedral) end up back in the MIC...then you can throw my predictions out the window. If you scroll up I posted my best guess as to who might make up a new "HCC" south (I purposely did NOT include any remaining MIC teams). I did not include Whiteland because I don't think they are there "right now", but if we are thinking a few years down the road you could add them to that list. ...again, I have no real inside information.

Some version of the MIC may still exist along with two. But with the growth of some of the southside schools to match up with HCC size schools, I think you're gonna a see an HCC like conference pop up on the "south" side.

I would give Avon/BB to the MIC about a 5% chance and that would require some of these other additions to happen first. What "could" have a better chance of happening is a if Carmel/CG/Cathedral end up trying to form a "new" conference. I hope that doesn't happen...Avon/BB are great HCC schools across many sports. I do feel like we will eventually head towards a "Northside" metro super conference (aka HCC), and a "Southside" metro super conference (name TBD). I don't think the geography will be perfect north/south, but something that more or less divides the big metro area schools into two approx 8-10 school conferences.

I had a roommate that met a smoking hot chick in BRipple back in the late 90s. They dated for a while, but when it became apparent she was also off the charts crazy...he dumped her. Fast forward 6 months, we bump into her at Rock Lobster. They hook up.... My roommate "She's got a new job, now." "She really doesn't go to bars that much anymore." "Guys, she's not really that Crazy". Within two weeks they were back together again. (Narrator in Morgan Freeman voice: "She was, in fact, still crazy.") I have no idea why I would be sharing that anecdote on this particular thread.🤪

I'm not sure if I made the comment on another thread or not. I would not have been surprised to see a Carmel/CG/Avon/BB/FC/SP/DC/CN conference within the next few years. Personally like BB and Avon in the HCC. If they are peeled off HCC, I could see NC and/or Carmel being added. Maybe just one, leaving a space for a future 3rd HSE school? I have no insider info other than just conversation with other conference coaches that often don't know anymore than I do.

BB & Avon is my guess for longshot package

***Anyone who can explain this with better clarity...please chime in. After reading this it may be clear as mud.*** Instead of SF points only being added together in a block of years (2 year classification cycle), they would accrue over any continuous 4 year period. I like this because you don't have the arbitrary occurrence of School A winning back to back titles in the "same cycle" and moving up, and school B winning back to back titles in separate cycles and not moving up. Also a 4 year period is longer and doesn't allow one class of stud players to effect the classification of an entire program. More points over a longer time shows that the program is truly "successful" and not just a really good class. Does it mean schools will be bumped up or down more often? Yes Does it mean sectionals will need to be adjusted more often? Yes Is it ok if the answer to those questions is "Yes"? Also, yes.

Fair question...All of this is IMHO, just based on my observations and opinion If you shrink down 1A to the smallest 32 (which should have been done originally...your size outliers are always at the ends of the bell curve), the population advantages a p/p has over tiny public's is magnified even more. I feel like this should be acknowledged and addressed by classification to prevent the yo-yo ing of a few p/p's that just take their turns running thru 1A. There are enough of them in 1A that there would likely always be one that bumps back to 1A. I know Sheridan is always brought up as a "but, but"...however their last title was in 2007, we are close to measuring that in decades plural. Since that time 11 of 15 have been won by p/p (4 different ones), and 3 times both teams were p/p. In larger classes you have a very small number of uber successful teams that dominate the state championship game appearances. But in 1a (and 2A) its several teams that yo-yo around one another. I think you could argue all of above is happening in 2A but more so.... I guess I'm not willing to say bump them all up to 3A and higher. But I do feel if we shrink 1A down from 64 to the smallest 32...it should be made exclusive to publics. My 2 cents and maybe worth that much👍

My "evolving" thoughts on classification: 1a = smallest 32 2a - 5a = classes of 64 6a = top 32 No P/P allowed in 1A SF is rolling 4 year cycle.

There are 2 teams in the HCC that do this A LOT!! I’m not saying they do it illegally. But running unbalanced or Y over formations is becoming a common thing for some teams.

This....over and over.

I would argue that at the lowest levels, (1A-3A) all that has happened is different P/P schools take turns having the advantages. They yo-yo up and down so often there is always a a p/p school there to take up the advantages in population that P/P's afford over smaller public schools. Not the best example of "addressing" the situation. IMHO: There should not be a P/P competing in the 1A tournament. I would argue that a one class "bump" for P/P's, combined with SF for all (public & P/P) with a longer SF adjustment (every 4 instead of every 2) would be a great system.

Yet another example of why a two year cycle is stupid. If SF points is going to be the system, it needs to be AT LEAST 3...preferably 4+. You could reclassify by enrollment every 2 years, and apply SF points every 4 (or even a rolling 4 year cycle).

My retirement career might be the economics officer for sectional assignment committee at IHSAA…. No one on North Meridian can foresee that insanity that a Chatard/Roncalli State Championship would be??? 💵💵💵 They’d fill the whole lower bowl. Bud Wright wouldn’t have anywhere to sit in the endzone!!!🤣🤣

If you got something like this in 2024...you could break 50k attendance. I'm taking some liberties with how SF and sectional assignments might go.... 6A: HCC vs HCC 5A: Harrison vs Whiteland 4A: Chatard vs Roncalli 3A: WL vs MD 2A: Luers vs Lutheran A: AC vs ND Lots of potential "firsts"....schools that are in the metro, near I-65/70/69 etc.....and schools that just travel well.