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So ANYONE who wants to go to LCC can? And they can stay enrolled FOREVER....no matter attendance issues, multiple suspensions, sever discipline issues? Parents never have to pay a dollar or show up for PTC or disciplinary meetings? Sounds sweet!

Not saying I agree or disagree with it, but IHSAA does not want one district to be able to win more than one title (and that is at the sectional level). There is no way in Hades that IHSAA would put HSE and Fishers in separate halves of the state and potetentially have both make it to LOS.

To be “technical”…Zionsville is further south than Carmel. Carmel sits on 131st (Main) st…Zionsville sits on what would be 121st if it went all the way thru. Both are further south than Westfield or Noblesville which both sit north of 32. HSE & Fishers always go together based on IHSAA desire to bracket schools in same district together. They are both off of 126th on opposite sides of 69. Of course IHSAA May decide to change things up and do something else for completely illogical reasons.🤷🏼‍♂️

Definitley no need for an apology!!

if I'm reading this right you have the sectionals jumbled? (Will be interesting to see how these change next cycle) Sectional 3: Fishers, HSE, Homestead, Northrop Sectional 4: Carmel, Noblesville, Westfield, Zionsville Not that it contradicts your statement about that regional....some very evenly matched good teams that know each other.👍

Based on Snider and Laf Harrison (fairly confident assumption based on enrollement) moving up to 6A and Valpo being a "?"...is it possible for some big realignment in Sectionals 3 & 4? Warsaw, Jeffersonville, Tech, and FW Northrop are currently the bottom of 6A...if the right two of those drop out, you have a possibility of 2 "North" schools dropping to the "South". I assume that would need to be Zionsville & Carmel, or HSE & Fishers. I have a strong feeling at least one school from sectional 3 or 4 will go south next time. Zionsville seems to be the one more often lumped in BBurg/Avon in the past.

Odd that you view a kid that takes rigorous academic classes and participates in various extra curricular activities as a kid that needs to be "carved out". In my eyes those kids are valuable participants at whatever school they attend. The point is that at some schools...there are a large proportion of kids that won't ever attend or participate in ANYTHING...sometimes even school iteself. Public schools have to count all these kids toward their classification numbers. The amount of these kids at a p/p is going to very small; and, as you had mentioned previously, at many affluent suburban publics this will also be a small number. At some high poverty urban or rural schools...this number is high. This is the difference between public and p/p....not that kids are "recurited" or anything else. To be clear...I was never a proponent of SF or a class "bump" for p/p's. I would have preferred a "clearninghouse" method of counting enrollment (i.e. kids who want to participate in ANY extracurricular - football, sports, music, student gov, or even those parasitic robotics and chess club kids you despise, would be "counted" as they fill out an inschool clearing house form.). Most schools already have a code of conduct form that extracurricular kids have to complete (or something similar) so its not a hard number to determine. This number would be used for classificaiton. The percentage of kids in the clearinghouse would probably be very similar between Chatard, Zionsville, Brebeuf, Carmel....but drastically different at Elkhart, IPS, South Bend, etc.

As always....the issue with p/p vs public isn't the kids they count. Its the kids the p/p's will never have to count. The kids the publics will always have to count. Would a kid who constantly fails all his classes, is habitually absent, and often suspended for disciplinary issues; be allowed to remain at a p/p school? The answer is he probably would have never been an applicant to begin with, but also assuredly NO...he would not be able to remain. Public schools have to count those kids...and for some publics that is a sizeable fraction of their student body.

My own personal feelings....IHSAA's "success" factor was supposed to prevent a monopoly on state titles within a given class (not necessarily my goal, but I think most assumed that was IHSAA's goal). To that end, why would a program be SF'd up a class if they did not win a state title? So I think you are reading me correctly. My definition of success would not simply be state final appearances...but the SF points AND a state title. This is my opinion...others have their own. I agree with most all of this. I wouldn't go so far as to say "ruin your program", but SF shouldn't effect your classification unless you have won a title in some rather recent history (I could be talked into some variability on how long ago "recent" would be. And yes, that means at some point I would be ok with Cathedral moving back down to 5A if they don't win a title in the next ???? many of years)

I can't agree more with you on this part. As for the rest....I'm not trying to make this just an AC thing. I've always said SF shouldn't move anyone up unless they have the points AND a title. And also....DON'T FORGET ABOUT WEBO!!!!😁

Can't disagree more....this quote is beyond stupid. Bumping up a program without a title is a joke. If AC's enrollement moves them up...so be it, but to SF a team up that has not won a title is a joke.

Can't agree more....this is beyond stupid. "Congratulations on building a program at a small public school that is on the cusp of winning a state title. We are now going to bump you up a class even though you haven't won that title." Sincerely, hugs ang kisses, the IHSAA

Go back to my previous posts. Especially on page 3(?) about coaching hires. No one should be shocked it didn't work out for Coach W (this is NOT a reflection on someone who is by all accounts a very effective HC). Nor should anyone be suprised that a coach who, now having seen it from the inside, decides he doesn't have the support needed to right the ship and determines he'd rather step aside than continue pretending things can get better. Support for a program means helping the coach get the coaches he needs on staff AND in the building. The rest is frosting....coaching hires is the minimum. I doubt that's happening at Goshen or Elkhart.

Goshen has a bulge from 6th thru 10th....everything younger than that is dropping. See my other post, a lot of Goshen families moving to FF

Quite a few old Elkhart/Goshen families are currently living in Northridge, Northwood, & Fairfield districts. I'm sure some of the other adjacent districts to Elkhart/SB have also seen some of those movers. Further, there is a HUGE amount of old NLC familites living in the north burbs of Indy. There are lot NLC offspring on HCC/HamCo rosters down here.

There are several large high schools in Indiana that have 2 "AD's" sometime one for boys sports and one for girls, sometimes they just separate the sports up based on expertise/interest/workload. Not unusual at all in 6A especially

Seems to be the same thing that has happened in South Bend, then Elkhart, now Goshen. Correctly or incorrectly, it’s no longer seen as a desirable place to be for many. So, those than can, move “out” to adjacent districts.

Yes....but going back much more than just a decade. Completley different community than it was around 2000. The changes are well beyond the high school. Questions such as "What has happened to Goshen Football/Athletics/High?" would be better phrased as "What has happened to the City of Goshen?"

Open question….. Would your opinion of neutral site Regional/SS games change if tournament was seeded….rewarding better seeds with the home games?

Looking at DOE data for Warsaw schools you are right...those two small classes are huge outliers....in fact I'd argue they will be alot closer to 2,200 in coming years than 2,000. Northridge probably still has at least one more cycle in 4A....maybe more. They need to leap frog 4 schools...even with Dwenger dropping back down the schools ahead of them aren't necessarily shrinking either..maybe Kokomo, but Kokomo has almost 100 kids over them already.

While it might be common with 1A-3A....how many conferences have schools spread somewhat evenly over 6A-4A?? Without any of them being P/P. Two 6A, Two 5A, four 4A? Maybe its more common than I think but it seems unusual... NIC is a mess, so that is what it is....but definitley a big advantage for a good 4A program to be playing 5A & 6A schools all year.

So because NW lost to 6A (and potential sectional champ) Warsaw, and lost by less than a score (and could lose tomorrow) to 4A #9 Northridge...the community should throw the coaching staff under a buggy based on the preseason predictive abilities of random people? Bold strategy Cotton...

For the life of me I can't understand why they can't publish this....I looked all over last week and nothing. A lot of people would like to plan for potential attendance, or just plan for attending "their" classes games.

My understanding is this can happen after a touchback and before a PAT....correct? are there other instances?

This isn't a "loop hole", its called a scrimmage kick. But the part in bold above is wrong.... The rules that govern a punt are almost identical to the rules that govern a FG....they are "scrimmage kicks". If a scrimmage kick goes into the EZ in high school football, it is a touchback. If it doesn't...it can be returned, just like a punt. But it's not a touchback becausae its a missed field goal...it HAS to cross the GL, just like a punt. Ironically...(given this thread topic) I beleive the longest play in Goshen High School football history is a 99 yard FG return for TD by future Boiler Todd Stelma.....against who??.... the Warsaw Tigers.