BDGiant93

Even a "unsuccessful" program can have success if it's providing opportunities for students to use athletics as a basis to stay in school, to stay focused on academics and to improve themselves as people. The win-loss results are an indicator of success to the outside world. Sometimes a loss can teach us more than a win. Overcoming adversity can teach us about ourselves. And, we all know that one great vision can turn a program around...especially when a school is ready to support that program. No one would have considered Ben Davis a success in 1973 when Bob Otolski was hired as head coach, stayed a couple of months, then bolted for IU. BD brought in alumnus Bob Wilbur. The Giants were 97-212-12 as a program. Coach Wilbur began to build the program. That got the attention of Carmel's coach at the time, Dick Dullaghan. Coach D will tell you he first began to realize what BD could be when Wilbur's Giants thumped his 1977 Greyhounds team in Sectional. When he left for stints at Purdue and Army with Jim Young and then decided to come back to high school, Ben Davis ended up being his destination. His vision with a supportive administration that wanted to win and a first-class and innovative weight program combined with the talent always present on the Westside took the remains of the program that Wilbur began to build and created the Ben Davis program as we know it that now has a record of 513-379-12 with nine State Championships. I think many have hit on what makes a program successful. I think it's also very difficult to break the cycle of losing these days, so I'd define success as focused more on students and outcomes rather than W-L (which is what we tend to look at from the outside as successful).

Exactly.

Hate to hear that. My thoughts are with his family, friends, and players.

If I were a comedian, I'd have to be funny. I'm not funny. The post to which you are referring related back directly to something the original poster said. I've noticed a trend here recently where political posts are becoming more prevalent. I added my 2 cents on that. You apparently disagree. I'll keep in mind in the future that what I post must first matter to @temptation. I'm sorry for offending you.

I don't see what any of this has to do with high school football. I guess the guy must live rent free in your head if you can't avoid commenting or sending ridicule his way on a high school football board. There are plenty of places on the internet for political commentary, parody, general scorn and ridicule, but this part of the forum shouldn't be it. Just my $0.02...and for the record, I'd say that about the last guy, too.

Well, it wasn't me. LOL

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Driven T/DT/HHF knows how to stir the pot. AND...I agree. Kevin O'Shea would be a good fit at Roncalli if he decides to pursue it.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Ben Davis keep one or both soon-to-be former MIC schools on the schedule. Carmel, for example, is a long term opponent with a relationship that goes back many years. The Giants and the 'Hounds first played in 1958 and have played every year since 1981 in the regular season. Nothing will surprise me at this point, though.

Doesn't surprise me with Mike at the helm. He likes to play good competition. Tried for years to get the schedule that BD has in place now.

Have not heard anything definitive at this point.

Life comes at you fast. LOL

They could do a Notre Dame type arrangement I'm sure where football stays independent but maybe they associate with a conference to allow them flexibility. Just spitballing. I'm sure that those convos will occur potentially IF and ONLY IF Cathedral would jump into a conference. I was speculating on Cathedral.

Maybe. It's my understanding that they've attempted to join conferences a few times over the years. Other Cathedral folks might know better.

I think it will be very interesting to see what happens with that HCC alliance now. Center Grove and Carmel may have some pull away power. I know Kyle Neddenriep has mentioned this a couple of times in articles about the possibility that some in the HCC wanted Carmel and Center Grove. It must not have been half the conference or else they would have been in. If it was three, Carmel and CG would make five. If they could talk someone like Cathedral in that would be six. Then, what happens to the rest of the HCC at that point. Much to watch!!

Yes. I'm joking. BD was put in with LC/LN and Warren for two years in 2017 and 2018. There was no sense in that one, either. Avon/BD/Brownsburg and Pike makes sense when it is possible. Glad you understand me by now. HAHA🤣

Purdue has invested a lot of money in the building where they are. Not sure how that might factor moving to Irvington. Makes a lot of sense. That means that they'll probably put Ben Davis in with Sectional 8 and Center Grove in Sectional 6.

My father was Vice Principal at Broad Ripple when Arnold played there, so I got to see him several times in high school. My dad really liked him. 49 is too young!

It may be more hard for one than the other.

I'd vote out any team that doesn't want to be in my conference but that is just using your conference as a fall back in case something else doesn't work out...like getting into another conference.

Franklin Central would have to be earlier in the season due to conference scheduling.

Yeah, I don't know if it's a streaming deal for their stuff or if it's like the NBC/Notre Dame thing. ISC works with many schools. Doubt it. John Hebert's been very good. Carmel doesn't replace coaches often.

Carmel is going independent.

Oh my! Well, I can't say that I'm surprised. That would be like letting a couple of sharks into your fish tank.