Bobref

FYI, the National Federation recently authorized the use of replay during tournaments on a state-by-state basis. My understanding is that there is less than zero interest in replay over at 9150 N. Meridian.

That’s a false start.

Did it get called a false start? Is there video?

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If I could make a suggestion, take the video to the Officiating Forum and start a new thread there. It might be helpful to get several opinions on the video.

Refresh my recollection as to why the call was “terrible.” All I recall is that it was a personal foul of some sort.

If you require perfection, you will always be disappointed.

Sagarin makes the Vikings a 3.5 pt. favorite in this one. Considering their head to head was a 3 TD win for Valpo, that tells you how well MC has been playing as of late.

I have video of the players of both teams assembled in front of the midshipmen, singing the Navy alma mater. Unfortunately when I tried to post it here, I got the message that the file was too big. Here’s a shorter one of the flyover by 3 Marine F-18s. https://www.facebook.com/don.vistine/videos/226380172919350/

Seems to vary each Saturday.

You would expect that. More games = more data for the algorithms to digest.

Just to be clear, if the defender had grabbed the facemask after the ball was away, it would be penalized as roughing.

The officials make a postgame report to the IHSAA immediately. What the IHSAA chooses to do with that report is up to them. But I have never heard of one being made public.

A disqualified player may remain on the sidelines. However, if a coach is ejected he must leave the facility and have no contact with the team for the remainder of the contest. How to handle potentially inflammatory exchanges between teams is something that is so situation-specific, you can’t really develop a hard and fast protocol for dealing with them. The Referee has wide discretion to adapt an approach to fit the circumstances. I think it is a bad idea for the officials to address a team in the locker room on that subject. They should deal strictly with the head coach. I’ll relate one anecdote that provides an example of a way to deal with it. I was the Referee on a college game involving two teams with a well known history of not liking one another. By the middle of the 1st quarter there had been several incidents of pushing and shoving, and 4 dead ball personal fouls. I sent both teams to their benches and called the head coaches to the middle of the field. They both began explaining how the other team was the instigator, and I cut them off, saying “ I didn’t bring you out here to hear what you had to say. I brought you out here so you could hear what I have to say. Any pushing or shoving is now going to be penalized as a personal foul — no leeway. And any dead ball personal foul or unsportsmanlike act is going to be an ejection. Now, without further comment, go back to your sidelines and communicate that to your players. End of discussion.” One approach that I’ve seen used in the case of skirmishes where nonplayers enter the field, or where there is a significant pregame incident, is to assess an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on every player and coach on both teams. This means that any subsequent unsportsmanlike act results in mandatory disqualification of the offender. As to racial remarks, the IHSAA has a zero tolerance policy. If an official hears it, immediate disqualification is warranted.

It looks like the defender grabbed the QB’s face mask before the pass. Any personal foul against the passer is treated as roughing the passer. However, this foul does not qualify because the foul occurred before the pass. A player does not become a passer until the ball is thrown. Although they are both 15 yd. personal fouls, the enforcement can be different. Since, in this case, the pass was incomplete, both fouls would be enforced from the previous spot. Roughing is an automatic first down, while grabbing the face mask is not.

That is one of the unique things about this game. No one left the stadium, and you could have heard a pin drop. A stirring sight, to be sure.

I’m just using the “eye test,” and they simply don’t look like what I think a Top 10 team should look like. But I understand it’s all relative. Been a crazy year so far … and I think there’s more to come. For what it’s worth, Sagarin agrees with you and @temptation. He’s got the Irish ranked #7 and their schedule as the 9th toughest in the country. If the Irish win out, this may well be the year when the absence of a conference championship on their resume sinks their playoff hopes.

For someone inclined to make excuses, it always seems to come down to “one call,” despite the fact that a typical high school game has close to 150 plays in it.

To be honest, I don’t think this is a Top 10 team. Aside from Kyren Williams, they don’t have playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. Their best defensive playmaker is still out, and no one knows when he will be back. I expect they will struggle against a pretty good Virginia team. Whether they win or not will probably determine their bowl game, as they should be able to beat Georgia Tech and Stanford in the remaining two games.

The officials are precluded from using video. But the IHSAA certainly isn’t. And I would expect that Asst. Commissioner Faulkens is already reviewing video.

So, we are at the point in the conversation where we can begin to closely scrutinize the coaches’ vote to determine whether it serves the goals we’ve identified for the process. It’s clear that, in the selection and advancement process, the vote is the primary differentiator between about 75% of the crews out there, since the experience, test score, meeting attendance, etc., factors are easily satisfied by most crews. First, here’s how the vote works: Schools are sent a list of all the crews that have applied for the tournament. Schools are instructed to assign a score from 1-5 to crews that have worked games involving the school in the previous 3 seasons, plus whatever portion of the current season has been completed. Schools are given the following guidelines when they rate crews: 5 State Ready: The official/crew exhibits excellent communication skills, NFHS/IHSAA approved mechanics, arrives at the contest site mentally and physically prepared, demonstrates excellent game management, and has control of the contest by making consistent calls from beginning to the end and can work the highest level in the tournament. 4 Semi State Ready: The official/crew displays very good communication skills, and is in position to make most calls. The official manages the game well and has control of the contest, but not at the highest level. 3 Regional Ready: official/crew demonstrates adequate rules knowledge and acceptable game management. Communication with coaches and players is acceptable but needs more experience to work the higher levels of the tournament. 2 Sectional Ready: The official/crew has the ability, rules knowledge and communication skills to work the lowest level of the tournament. Improvement in one or more of these areas is required for advancement 1 Not Tournament Ready: The official/crew is unable to adequately demonstrate the skill level, communication, judgment, mechanics, and rules knowledge expected for the tournament. Game management needs improvement in order to officiate a tournament contest. Note: Schools that submit a rating of 1 must provide specific feedback via a dropdown menu. While the IHSAA requires every school to turn in a vote, and they can only rate officials they’ve seen in the last 3+ seasons, there is no requirement that the school rate every crew they’ve seen over that period. Next: The flaws in the coaches’ vote as a measure of officiating proficiency.

Not surprising. The 5 best teams in that conference have played a total of 2 games against non-conference opponents. Not much for Sagarin’s algorithms to latch on to.

Yesterday vs. Navy was the first time I’ve seen Jack Coan play live. He clearly has limitations. He’s a serviceable QB, but no more. He took 2 drive-killing sacks, and both were absolutely his fault. Both times he had unblocked rushers at the line of scrimmage pre-snap and didn’t get out of the play, change the protection, or get the ball to a hot receiver. I watched his head on pass plays and he clearly locks on his target at the snap and is not going through progressions very often. Half of his completions were to running backs. His chief asset is he doesn’t turn it over. He’s not going to lose games for them, but he’s not going to win any, either. He’s a placeholder until Kelly’s willing to trust the freshman Buchner with the ball on the minus side of the 50.

You can be sure that the crew chief made a lengthy report to the IHSAA before ever hitting the hay that night. As the game was terminated at that point, you should be aware that the officials nevertheless retain jurisdiction over the game for as long as it takes to complete any “administrative duties” associated with the contest. That means they can go to their locker room after the game was terminated, compare notes as a crew, and retroactively disqualify players if warranted.

I hope that is true.