Bobref

Investigation continues.

No problem. Just trying to educate the general public. I don’t believe hurdling is an NCAA foul anyway.

This situation has been discussed in general terms. There’s nothing specific in the rule book governing this. I have heard of one situation where a kid was running for a long TD, and they started the light show well before he got in the end zone … and were flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. The IHSAA approved that ruling.

I can’t believe what I’m seeing.

You can’t judge definitively from a still photo, but this photo does not show a hurdling foul. “Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet.”

The following is a comment in the NFHS Football Casebook concerning a similar trick play: “COMMENT: Football has been and always will be a game of deception and trickery involving multiple shifts, unusual formations and creative plays. However, actions or verbiage designed to confuse the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn't imminent is beyond the scope of sportsmanship and is illegal.”

Check that. MaxPreps has East Central winning 43-14, while Harrell’s site reports Moeller winning by the same score. Which is it?

The mighty Eagles beat 3 time Colorado defending champ Cherry Creek, 13-9, to go to 3-0. And we may have to re-think opinions of both Moeller and East Central, who absolutely took Moeller to the woodshed.

The NF code does not contain a “match up” substitution rule like NCAA. Teams are on their own with respect to timeliness of substitutions.

I wasn’t there, so I have no opinion on the play. But I would caution everyone against forming an opinion based on a single still photograph.

We have a saying: “If it’s going to look ugly either way, you might as well get it right.” Having said that, there is no provision in the rule book that permits throwing the flag for a live ball foul retroactively, after the ball has subsequently been made ready for play. By the way, I lived through almost exactly the scenario you described, except it was for the winning score in OT, and it was a “covered” tight end who caught the TD. We swallowed hard, apologized, and lived with it. To this day, there is a Hall of Fame coach who left NWI for Warren Central and then Avon, who reminds me of that play every time I see him. It happened in 1987.

The rule, as written, was always only applicable after halftime. However, an exception was made for a couple of years due to the effect of the pandemic on roster sizes, etc. No more exceptions now. Second half only.

That is in error.

Hobart pulls away in the second half to defeat Griffith 35-0 at the Brickyard.

Like the poor, I am always with you.

Did your wing official come up and report that the pass didn’t make the NZ? 😂🤣

Any of the illegal forward pass fouls carry a loss of down provision, as does illegal forward handing of the ball, and illegal touching.

Your spot is “spot on!” 🤣

a) and b) are correct, but c) needs some work. You were using A and B and then switched to Brown and Adam, and you may have referred to Team B when you meant A. Try again, because I can envision a very interesting scenario.

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Yes, indeed. A kick that does not go beyond the neutral zone can be recovered by the kicking team, and they are free to kick, pass, or run the ball.

Yes, kicking the ball beyond the neutral zone is a foul in high school. The ball remains alive … and is treated as if it were a fumble, which can make for some interesting situations. The penalty for the foul is 10 yds., enforced under the ordinary rules for live ball fouls.

Still legal. Doug Flutie was the last to do it in the NFL, I think.

This one came up in the game I observed. I’ve modified it slightly to make it a little more interesting. How should this be handled? 3rd & 6 from the B 24. A5 runs a toss sweep toward the linesman. In the middle of the field, U has 2 flags, one on an OL for holding, and one on a DL for a personal foul, as he objected to being held. Meanwhile, the line judge is moving down his sideline when (a) he runs into a coach of Team B in the restricted area, or (b) he moves around a coach of Team B who is a yard out onto the field. In each case the coach of Team B was quite loudly pointing out the holding foul to “help” the umpire make the call. All of this occurred while the ball was alive.

Post your questions or comments about Week 3’s officiating issues here. For the first two weeks, it’s been pretty quiet. Now, as we move into conference play in many places, things usually heat up a bit. As always, please make any comments in a sportsmanlike way.