Lysander

Chatard 21 Shortridge 0 start of 2nd

I think you, FB16 and me can all agree that the name change was “cowardly”.….and gutless from my own perspective. Swear to God, I always have to ask the person I’m talking to at the moment what Roncalli calls itself these days because I can’t remember their new gutless, homogenized name.

It isn’t…..but neither is Brebeuf. But EVERYBODY else involved in cooperatively developing the agreement ultimately signed off….until one school decided it didn’t need to. Every P/P has to recruit every single one of its students. Cathedral is neither alone or exceptional as regards that situation. Public schools are free to everyone…..well…not exactly free as I realize each May and November. “Ubiquitous” might be a better word choice. I thought EVERYBODY at Cathedral was either a home grown, dyed in the wool Papist OR generational legacies…or both. So that is no longer the case? Admittedly, I don’t keep up with the current corporate marketing theme.

Truthfully, I really don’t know. The timing certainly was spot on as to Roncalli pulling the plug on the games. I’d certainly have supported either Chatard OR Roncalli if they had refused to play Cathedral after that entire situation…which remains to this day as I understand it. I’ve often thought Chatard demonstrated moral cowardice for NOT cancelling all their athletics with Cathedral and acting on principle. Admittedly, I’d have expected that plug to be pulled for all sports in Roncalli’s case….assuming that was the reasoning behind ending their seasonal football game. I defer to Roncalli folks but the timing is more than coincidental…and I’m not a big believer in coincidence, Regardless, that little bit of information is clearly relevant and remains an ongoing stain on Cathedral’s dealings with all the Indy Catholics….let alone the Publics. “Rules for thee but not for me.” I’d cite something about glass houses but that might be too obvious.

Business as usual as regards any Sectional containing Chatard. Its what the IHSAA does. To be clear, if Brebeuf were still in 3A they would absolutely be in this Sectional as well (since all Catholic schools within 2 hours of one another must be in the same Sectional). State Law....lest @Donnie Baker disapproves. He is the authority here.

I personally very, very much like @FootballKing16, but as regards Roncalli cowardice (and he loves to long beat that drum), my assumption is his memory is much less creaky than mine - YET he has overlooked the agreement that all the archdiocese schools, Brebeuf and Cathedral generated around 2006-7 (maybe a year either way). As I understand, Cathedral EVEN helped develop it....until they decided they wanted nothing to do with it and it didn't apply to them. At the end of the day, the agreement was that those participant coaches and schools (Archdiocese schools, Brebeuf AND Cathedral.) could reach out to CYO TEAMS on a GROUP basis to promote their schools BUT could not reach out to the next INDIVIDUAL "Johnny Football" ("Johnny Soccer", etc........or the ENTIRE Pike Township Jr. High Basketball ALL-STARS as it might have happened) or his/her/its/they/mutant ninja turtle's parents on an individual basis and tell them they were going to start at QB as Freshman before their brief stop to Notre Dame. From my observation, Roncalli stepped away from playing Cathedral at almost exactly the same time Cathedral said, "Screw You Guys!....we ain't playing by the rules we all agreed to. But the rest of you can". Pretty much a business as usual Cathedral position. Somewhat surprised anyone participating expected anything different. Rules are for the rest of us. I actually have long admired the Rebels for that stance.....at least, until they became the "Royals" (wtf?). Sign me on to @FootballKing16 as to Roncalli "cowardice" in that case....makes me kind of want the Irish to kick their morally cowardly @ss.....almost. At that point, Roncalli stepped back. Seems to me they just decided not to to business with someone unethical....speaking as a businessman. As to hating a school, all I can say is that as an unsophisticated, poor-@ss Irish, kid from the hills and hollars of southeast Indiana, upon moving to Indianapolis some 45 years ago I NEVER "hate watched" Notre Dame hoping they would lose every game in every sport (I actually used to be a fan of Notre Dame).......until I first stumbled upon Cathedral HS while having kids in the Archdiocese. Even better, as an Irishman (okay...German-Irish....I married a Catholic), I've even become a cheerleader of Cromwell's conquest of Ireland circa 1650. Don't let anybody think that Cathedral doesn't influences lives. Guess my work is done here. Me just making friends and building bridges. Its what I do.

I think you’re basically referring to IPS as opposed to the Township Schools……Pike excepted.

I was actually a beneficiary of that. I still have a Cincy Enquirer photo from the sports page of a young Lysander v. Brian Way (?) of the Tigers at that time. Probably the only time in my life I actually made a proper form solo tackle.

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing but it’s unclear to me just what you mean by Lutheran having “3A/4A type resources.” As to Indy football inside the donut being amongst “the worst in the State” all I can say is that Brebeuf, Cathedral, Chatard, Ritter and Scecina are all inside the 465 “donut” (if that is the “donut” you are referring to).

The entire Lutheran thing reminds me a lot of the LCC “discussions” back prior to the advent of the Success Factor era. Despite a couple of occasions when I might have disagreed a bit with some of its fans, LCC had several continuous years of teams that punched well above their class - often beating a really strong 3A West Lafayette annually if I recall correctly. I also find myself thinking of 2A Luers during Jaylon Smith’s Senior year. I think they were an ABSOLUTELY legit top 10-15 team that year. I can’t recall if they outright won the SAC that year but they handled a very good Ritter team (admittedly with a couple of injuries) who also could have been a Top 25 team at LOS.

I’m looking forward to this weekend’s Bloomington South/Brebeuf game. By all rights given Brebeuf’s massive fail this past Friday, I’d generally favor BS big….but I’ve always been a little dubious about South. I will say, though, that South’s handling of CN this past Friday went a ways towards consolidating in my mind that they might actually be pretty decent. With that, I don’t know anything about Brebeuf’s injury situation, etc. I just know I was shocked when they beat Roncalli a couple of weeks ago. I was also pretty stunned how close that Guerin/Northview game was on Friday.

Gandolph “Gandy” Fish (Isaac Hayes) who served time with Rockford always referred to him as “Rockfish”. Everyone else in the show called him “Jim”…..excepting Angel Martin (the brilliant and, sadly, recently deceased Stuart Margolin) who always called him “Jimmy”. The Rockford Files is my favorite TV show of all time.

On my first coach’s visit to Butler in late May back in the day I pulled my ‘74 Firebird Esprit (same as Jim “Rockfish” Rockford’s but with a lot more unpainted “Bondo” patches) into the shared Hinkle/Starlight Musicals parking lot. Fresh from the unnamed hills and hollers of southeast Indiana and not knowing my way around Indianapolis (or Butler), I walked into the open entrance to Starlight Musicals just before Noon…..Coach Lyons was waiting for me in his office on the main floor at Hinkle. As I walked in, I heard this smooth baritone voice coming from the stage. There was a man singing and a woman playing a piano accompaniment. It was only the 3 of us in the entire facility but I couldn’t quite make out just who the two were on stage. Being curious, and fairly self-unaware at the time, I walked down to the foot of the stage like I owned the place to see some middle-aged lady playing the piano for Gomer Pyle…who was, somehow, out of uniform. I assumed he was on leave since there was no evidence of Sgt. Carter to be seen. Completely true story.

That Memorial/Reitz score last night went a long ways towards legitimizing Reitz for me last night. Given the closed nature of the SIAC, I’m always a little circumspect judging pre-playoffs but invariably those teams are good year in and year out. Reitz’ thoroughgoing win over Memorial makes it appear something special is cooking there this year. Maybe the only potential threat to East Central’s steamroller?

Wow!! Total shocker. It appears Guerin had a tough come from behind game at Northview tonight as well.

This thread is priceless!

Chatard 41 Andrean 0 Final I think Andrean only got into Chatard territory once.

Chatard 41 Andrean 0 2:01 left in 3rd

I started seeing double early tonight… Chatard 34 Andrean. 0 6:40 in 3rd.

Chatard 28 Andrean 0 Half

Chatard 21 Andrean 0 5:13 left in 2nd

Chatard 14 Brebeuf 0 2:35 left in 1st

Chatard. 7 Andrean. 0 8:55 left in 1st.

Yep. Dilley was HC both of those years…Coach L took over in 2003. Hard to believe Dilley is in his 10th year at Guerin. For the record, they were all “Offensive thrillers” under Dilley and L….but effective.

Kind of says it all about 5A doesn’t? Frankly, most years as regards “true” 5A sized schools with the exception of Snider, the 3A and 4A champs are likely better than the best 5A school. I’d add that I have STRONG doubts as to either of the Bloomington teams being an actual top contender. I expect the winner to come from the North…most likely Snider. I recognize the Bloomington South team this year might be different from the South teams I have seen over the last 5-8 years when they played Circle City Conference teams but I always thought, personally, they were a little “spongy”.