IU 2024

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25 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'll say it again Temp. What he did with a bunch of kids from JM and the leftovers from the train wreck that Allen left was nothing less than greatness. Deep down, you know this man is dangerous. 

We will find out next year.  A lot of hot air.  Will be interesting to see if last night humbled him.

He was out thoroughly out coached by Marcus Freeman…who some ND fans were skeptical about 8 months ago, lol.

[Sparty]

24 minutes ago, temptation said:

We will find out next year.  A lot of hot air.  Will be interesting to see if last night humbled him.

He was out thoroughly out coached by Marcus Freeman…who some ND fans were skeptical about 8 months ago, lol.

You think Cignetti will ever be humble/d?  Lol

[temptation]

18 minutes ago, Sparty said:

You think Cignetti will ever be humble/d?  Lol

Nah, it’s all false bravado.  Seems to be covering up an inferiority complex and more interested in clicks than I had originally thought.

The Big Ten’s version of “Prime.”

[Bash Riprock]

21 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nah, it’s all false bravado.  Seems to be covering up an inferiority complex and more interested in clicks than I had originally thought.

The Big Ten’s version of “Prime.”

Ahhh…now the psychologist…

🤨😆

[Bash Riprock]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

We will find out next year.  A lot of hot air.  

[PHJIrish]

2 hours ago, BTF said:

I'll say it again Temp. What he did with a bunch of kids from JM and the leftovers from the train wreck that Allen left was nothing less than greatness. Deep down, you know this man is dangerous. 

LIKE!

[Muda69]

Indiana's inclusion in College Football Playoff was a monumental mistake

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/12/21/indiana-being-in-college-football-playoff-was-a-monumental-mistake-iu-hoosiers-notre-dame-cfp/77121870007/?tbref=hp

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SOUTH BEND ― The keepers of this magnificent sport say they’ll learn from the first show of shows, this new and unchartered college football postseason. 

Let’s start by figuring out how in blue blazes Indiana got in the College Football Playoff in the first place.

There will be plenty of time to lavish championship hype on Notre Dame if it can beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl quarterfinal. But this is an autopsy, a postmortem of Notre Dame 27, Indiana 17.

So we begin with the obvious: there has never been a bigger miss than by the selection committee in the 11 years of the playoff.

"This team earned the right to be here," said Indiana coach Curt Cignetti, words that sound better after two excuse-me touchdowns in the last 90 seconds of the game, when everyone in the joint wanted out of sub-freezing temperatures and into the warm embrace of celebration.

It doesn't change the reality that Indiana's inclusion in college football's was a monumental mistake.

"I'm kind of glad it happened the way it did," Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman said of the late collapse, where Notre Dame led 27-3 before mistakes on defense (and a missed onside kick) led to two Indiana scores. "It's a chance for us to humble ourselves and get back to work as we get ready for the next opportunity."

That next opportunity against Georgia will be a significantly heavier lift ― even if the SEC champions are forced to play backup quarterback Gunner Stockton.

Because the difference between Georgia and Indiana is wider than the widespread arms of Touchdown Jesus. The CFP selection committee has made mistakes before, but never to this extreme.

Ohio State over Penn State in 2016 was bad. Notre Dame over Texas A&M in 2020 was worse. 

But Indiana over just about anyone — Alabama, Miami, South Carolina, Ole Miss — was recklessly negligent. The worst part of this unfolding mess on the first night of the heralded and shiny new postseason: everyone but the committee knew it.

At what point Friday night did the 13-member committee start texting each other and admit they screwed the pooch? After Indiana’s first three-and-out, or its seventh drive that ended with no points, a punt or a turnover?

After Notre Dame running back Jeremiyah Love wasn’t touched on a College Football Playoff-record 98-yard touchdown run, or after it was apparent that Indiana’s No. 1 rush defense gave up 28 more yards than its season average on one play?

But for a sputtering Notre Dame offense that consistently settled for field goals and left points on the field, the emasculation could’ve been much worse.

"Part of life is learning how to deal with disappointment the proper way," Cignetti said. "And coming back a stronger person because of the experience."

To be fair to Indiana, there have been other playoff blowouts ― but rarely were there times when those teams didn’t deserve to play in the games, or didn’t play a schedule worthy of inclusion.  

This is what happens when the selection committee becomes infatuated with a team and victories, when the four former coaches on the committee sit among the group and explain just how difficult it is to win 11 games against air. Or some other inane coaching cliche'.

Let’s review how this monstrosity developed, shall we? The committee had unbeaten Indiana ninth in the nation in the first ranking, an unusually high ranking for a team that hadn’t yet beaten a team with a winning record. 

That ranking left Indiana with a three-game season: struggling Michigan, at Ohio State and Purdue. The committee essentially penciled in the Hoosiers from the jump.

Again, we all saw this. We all watched the Hoosiers beat up on the Big Ten undercard, and roll through a nonconference schedule that consisted of one of the worst teams in the Bowl Subdivision (Florida International), one from the Championship Subdivision (Western Illinois) and Charlotte. 

Two of those three teams fired their coaches at the end of the season because, you know, they were terrible. 

We all saw this, but the CFP selection committee saw a team worthy of hosting a playoff game as late as 11 weeks into the season. By the time Ohio State beat Indiana and dropped the Hoosiers to No. 10, Indiana only needed to beat a truly horrible Purdue team (which also fired its coach) to reach the playoff.  

Indiana played one game of significance in the entire 2024 season — and lost by 23 points to an Ohio State team that didn’t even make the Big Ten championship game. The vaunted Hoosiers offense, the unit that was first or second in the nation in scoring all season long, scored 15 points against Ohio State. 

Indiana scored on the first drive of the Ohio State game, and didn’t score again until its last drive. In between, it ran 30 plays for eight yards.

And we’re surprised when Indiana responds with this performance in its second game of significance? 

I don’t blame Cignetti, who stumped for his team week after week with unmatched bravado. I don’t blame the players, who played the teams in front of them and took care of business. 

But that doesn’t mean you’re one of the 12 best teams in college football. Because if it did, unbeaten Liberty would’ve made the four-team CFP in 2023. 

Officials from the SEC and Big Ten spoke last week during the Sports Business Journal Forum about looking at all levels of the playoff process. From format, to campus games, and yes, to the selection committee. 

Not only the metrics used by the committee, but if there’s a need for a committee at all.

“It’s one season, so I don’t like to be a prisoner of the moment,” said Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione. “But I think it’s incumbent upon us to always assess everything.”

At the very least, the selection committee will be around for the final year of the current CFP media rights deal in 2025. But beginning in 2026, there will be be a new format and possibly a new way to choose the teams. 

The keepers of this magnificent sport will work all offseason to find the answers for 2026. 

Because another Indiana can’t happen again. 

"Recklessly negligent?"  Really?  Was there some kind of real crime committed here? Sounds like Mr. Hayes lost on some sort of parlay/bet thing.

[temptation]

38 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

My hot air is “championship” hot air.

Hope IU/ND fans get to experience it one day.  It’s thrilling.

Imagine the euphoria ND felt last night, times 4 consecutive Thanksgiving weekends in a row followed by three consecutive conference titles, a Rose Bowl title and a natty.

Edited December 21, 2024 by temptation

[Muda69]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

My hot air is “championship” hot air.

Hope IU/ND fans get to experience it one day.  It’s thrilling.

Imagine the euphoria ND felt last night, times 4 consecutive Thanksgiving weekends in a row followed by three consecutive conference titles, a Rose Bowl title and a natty.

Natty?

[temptation]

6 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Natty?

Wouldn’t expect you to understand.

I’m not even sure you enjoy football.

Edited December 21, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Nah, it’s all false bravado.  Seems to be covering up an inferiority complex and more interested in clicks than I had originally thought.

The Big Ten’s version of “Prime.”

The last thing this man has is an inferiority complex. I'm not sure there's a name for what he has. He said " I win, google me." Damn. Now, even he knows he'll look pretty stupid if he doesn't back that up. So to say something like that, your confidence has to be on another level. And when you're confident, you're normally successful. Ten win seasons at IU will soon be the standard. 

 

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Indiana's inclusion in College Football Playoff was a monumental mistake

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/12/21/indiana-being-in-college-football-playoff-was-a-monumental-mistake-iu-hoosiers-notre-dame-cfp/77121870007/?tbref=hp

"Recklessly negligent?"  Really?  Was there some kind of real crime committed here? Sounds like Mr. Hayes lost on some sort of parlay/bet thing.

The guy who wrote that is a circus clown.............on a good day. I couldn't take his ignorance anymore, had to quit reading half way through. 

[Bobref]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

He was out thoroughly out coached by Marcus Freeman…who some ND fans were skeptical about 8 months ago, lol.

I especially like the way the Irish have embraced special teams play as a way to succeed. They had to, given their atrocious field goal kicking situation during the season. Hopefully, that’s about to change as their kicker gets healthy.

[temptation]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

The last thing this man has is an inferiority complex. I'm not sure there's a name for what he has. He said " I win, google me." Damn. Now, even he knows he'll look pretty stupid if he doesn't back that up. So to say something like that, your confidence has to be on another level. And when you're confident, you're normally successful. Ten win seasons at IU will soon be the standard. 

 

Nah…has inflated his career win percentage against inferior competition and at the lower level.  Had two chances this year to back up his talk against legitimate competition and turtled up both times.

Got out coached by Ryan Day and Marcus Freeman.

Ceiling is 8 wins going forward.

Mel Tucker 2.0.

 

[BTF]

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nah…has inflated his career win percentage against inferior competition and at the lower level.  Had two chances this year to back up his talk against legitimate competition and turtled up both times.

Got out coached by Ryan Day and Marcus Freeman.

Ceiling is 8 wins going forward.

Mel Tucker 2.0.

 

Damn Temp, the man is in his FIRST year at................IU. With what, thirty transfers from James Madison? You know, guys who go to James Madison are guys who didn't get recruited by Ball State, right?

[BTF]

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nah…has inflated his career win percentage against inferior competition and at the lower level.  Had two chances this year to back up his talk against legitimate competition and turtled up both times.

Got out coached by Ryan Day and Marcus Freeman.

Ceiling is 8 wins going forward.

Mel Tucker 2.0.

 

Question. If the IU football program were a publicly traded stock, would you buy long or sell short? Let's pretend there was no other place to go with your money. Let's say $500,000. There's no other answer other than long or short. 

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12 minutes ago, BTF said:

Damn Temp, the man is in his FIRST year at................IU. With what, thirty transfers from James Madison? You know, guys who go to James Madison are guys who didn't get recruited by Ball State, right?

James Madison is actually a pretty comparable program to Ball State (not sure why you chose them) in terms of recruiting.  Not sure what you are trying to say here.  Cignetti > Insert BSU coach here?

Look, Cignetti is good.  He was GREAT at the two lower levels in which he coached but I simply need to see more before I anoint him more than a one year wonder at the power 4 level.  Anyone saying otherwise is simply a homer and has wishful thinking.

If IU goes 9-3 next year, I’ll concede.

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14 minutes ago, BTF said:

Question. If the IU football program were a publicly traded stock, would you buy long or sell short? Let's pretend there was no other place to go with your money. Let's say $500,000. There's no other answer other than long or short. 

I’d buy long simply because of the way that the transfer portal and mega conferences have changed the game.  You can revamp your roster overnight and become a much improved team, which IU did. 
 

Combine that with the fact that you only see half of your conference and can avoid many of the heavy hitters if the schedule gods are on your side and you have the 2024 Indiana Hoosiers.

The bar was so low before Cignetti that this is common sense.  When the floor is 3-4 wins and the ceiling is 11 wins, odds say most years you’ll fall in the middle between 6-8 which is one HELL of an accomplishment for Indiana football.

Why are you avoiding my statement about Freeman coaching circles around “Google me guy” last night?

Do you consider Freeman great?

Edited December 21, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

If IU goes 9-3 next year, I’ll concede.

That's all we're asking. 

I know you don't like the guy because of his cockiness and arrogance, but you can't deny the fact that he can coach. Sure, he lost to two teams that are top five in the country, but he obliterated the rest of his schedule in impressive fassion. 

[temptation]

Just now, BTF said:

That's all we're asking. 

I know you don't like the guy because of his cockiness and arrogance, but you can't deny the fact that he can coach. Sure, he lost to two teams that are top five in the country, but he obliterated the rest of his schedule in impressive fassion. 

The pot/kettle graphic above was an attempt to shame me into an admission that I am being hypocritical.

Let me be clear, I don’t mind cockiness and arrogance…if it’s warranted.

Its not with this clown.

1 minute ago, BTF said:

That's all we're asking. 

I know you don't like the guy because of his cockiness and arrogance, but you can't deny the fact that he can coach. Sure, he lost to two teams that are top five in the country, but he obliterated the rest of his schedule in impressive fassion. 

He obliterated his schedule because he HAD TO.  They mentioned on the broadcast last night, before he had even accepted the job or knew that anyone from JMU would follow him, that IU’s schedule was set up for 10 wins.

They needed style points as they ultimately mattered in the end.

[Bash Riprock]

36 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nah…has inflated his career win percentage against inferior competition and at the lower level.  Had two chances this year to back up his talk against legitimate competition and turtled up both times.

Got out coached by Ryan Day and Marcus Freeman.

Ceiling is 8 wins going forward.

Mel Tucker 2.0.

 

Yea…inferior competition. Took his team straight out of FCS and was immediately successful at the FBS level. To even get a team from FCS to FBS is an incredible achievement.

But hey, Cig knows he can’t hang with your football resume…who can?? 😂

 

 

[Bash Riprock]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

My hot air is “championship” hot air.

 

In which you did nothing to earn other that cheer into the TV set. You blow excessive hot air on a forum…Cig won how many Coach of the year awards???

[temptation]

18 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

In which you did nothing to earn other that cheer into the TV set. You blow excessive hot air on a forum…Cig won how many Coach of the year awards???

Hey now, I have donated to the Champions Circle for three straight years.  
 

https://www.championscircleuofm.com

 

20 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

In which you did nothing to earn other that cheer into the TV set. You blow excessive hot air on a forum…Cig won how many Coach of the year awards???

 

I’m old enough to remember when Tom Allen won a coach of the year award…

[temptation]

 

[PDB26]

2 hours ago, BTF said:

Damn Temp, the man is in his FIRST year at................IU. With what, thirty transfers from James Madison? You know, guys who go to James Madison are guys who didn't get recruited by Ball State, right?

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

Yea…inferior competition. Took his team straight out of FCS and was immediately successful at the FBS level. To even get a team from FCS to FBS is an incredible achievement.

But hey, Cig knows he can’t hang with your football resume…who can?? 😂

 

 

I get what you guys are driving at, but wasn’t it 13 guys from JMU?

JMU probably would have been a tough out for Ball State even when they were FCS.