Temp’s Preseason Top 50

[BTF]

29 minutes ago, temptation said:

Those games were at completely different parts of the season.

It's not a 'be all end all' comparison. But it is a decent comparison nonetheless. My point is that teams like Warsaw and Mishawaka are dangerous and you need to be highly prepared to defend them. I also think you underestimate games that are played in the first few weeks of the season. Nowadays, there are so many scrimmages and 7 on 7's during the summer, Week 1 is almost like the start of a second season. 

[scarab527]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Those games were at completely different parts of the season.

Still using the transitive property for football games in the year 2024 is wild

[Komets2727]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

What do you need to see in week 1 to convince you that Warsaw has a chance at being in the game/winning at Warren in week 2?

If Warren is as good as the pundits seem to believe, they will beat Snider in week 1 and throttle Warsaw in week 2. 

[temptation]

30 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

Still using the transitive property for football games in the year 2024 is wild

Eh, I can’t be critical.  It’s all I have in many cases when comparing teams.

16 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

If Warren is as good as the pundits seem to believe, they will beat Snider in week 1 and throttle Warsaw in week 2. 

I tend to agree and think this is the most likely outcome.  Warren’s D was its strength last year and will be once again.

But they’ve gone to the transfer portal on offense.  Will be interesting to see how it clicks, especially in week 1.

[Komets2727]

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

Eh, I can’t be critical.  It’s all I have in many cases when comparing teams.

I tend to agree and think this is the most likely outcome.  Warren’s D was its strength last year and will be once again.

But they’ve gone to the transfer portal on offense.  Will be interesting to see how it clicks, especially in week 1.

Keep in mind, Warsaw handled Carroll easily in Sectionals last year after Carroll beat Warren. Also, Warsaw is 2-2 vs. Carroll in the last few years. 

It seems to be pretty clear to me that you are on the Warren bandwagon this year, which is fine. It is hard to understand why you think Warren is going to come to Fort Wayne and beat a Snider team that easily throttled Warren on their home turf last year. The way you are hyping up all these transfers for Warren makes me believe that Warren is the South’s version of Merrillville and their 45 D1 players…
 

 

[temptation]

32 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Keep in mind, Warsaw handled Carroll easily in Sectionals last year after Carroll beat Warren. Also, Warsaw is 2-2 vs. Carroll in the last few years. 

It seems to be pretty clear to me that you are on the Warren bandwagon this year, which is fine. It is hard to understand why you think Warren is going to come to Fort Wayne and beat a Snider team that easily throttled Warren on their home turf last year. The way you are hyping up all these transfers for Warren makes me believe that Warren is the South’s version of Merrillville and their 45 D1 players…
 

 

Actually if you look more closely, I am honestly not really on any bandwagons this year.  While it’s easy on the surface to see that Warren has the most talent in the state, how it works together and in sync remains to be seen.

I am skeptical of a lot of things in the Warren program if you look at my posting history but their talent is off the charts.

The had the best defense in Indiana last year and nearly all of those guys are back.  They’ve upgraded at the skill positions on offense so common sense states they’ll be better.

Now, I think you will be surprised where I have Snider in these rankings.  I have tons of respect for the program.

[FastpacedO]

18 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Keep in mind, Warsaw handled Carroll easily in Sectionals last year after Carroll beat Warren. Also, Warsaw is 2-2 vs. Carroll in the last few years. 

It seems to be pretty clear to me that you are on the Warren bandwagon this year, which is fine. It is hard to understand why you think Warren is going to come to Fort Wayne and beat a Snider team that easily throttled Warren on their home turf last year. The way you are hyping up all these transfers for Warren makes me believe that Warren is the South’s version of Merrillville and their 45 D1 players…
 

 

The difference being Warren Central has 7 State Championships since 2003 the most recent being 2018, Merrillville hasn't had one since 1976.

I personally find it tough to assume WC will be a juggernaut this year coming off of a 5-7 season. With transfers I guess you never know and we will find out.

[Komets2727]

27 minutes ago, temptation said:

Actually if you look more closely, I am honestly not really on any bandwagons this year.  While it’s easy on the surface to see that Warren has the most talent in the state, how it works together and in sync remains to be seen.

I am skeptical of a lot of things in the Warren program if you look at my posting history but their talent is off the charts.

The had the best defense in Indiana last year and nearly all of those guys are back.  They’ve upgraded at the skill positions on offense so common sense states they’ll be better.

Now, I think you will be surprised where I have Snider in these rankings.  I have tons of respect for the program.

Warren had the best defense in the state last year???? Am I reading that right? I can only say that Snider had a better defense than Warren did last year and that is both by the eye test and stats.Not sure who had the best defense in the state last year, but Warren is behind Snider in any list.

As far as where you have Snider in your top 25, I would assume top 10, but honestly, without seeing what each team has, preseason rankings are really hard to do 

[Komets2727]

3 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

The difference being Warren Central has 7 State Championships since 2003 the most recent being 2018, Merrillville hasn't had one since 1976.

I personally find it tough to assume WC will be a juggernaut this year coming off of a 5-7 season. With transfers I guess you never know and we will find out.

In no way am I comparing Merrillville to Warren, Warren is one of the top programs in Indiana bar none, Merrillville is a paper tiger that has endless D1 players at their disposal and never achieves jack crap. 

Warren has been gifted either #1 or #2 in 6A preseason rankings based on how “great” their returning talent is and a few transfers. As you stated, they were 5-7 last year so a 7 loss team should be nowhere near the top of anyone’s preseason rankings, they need to earn it. 
 

[BTF]

I don't see Snider/Warren being a high scoring game. Each team has four D1 athletes residing on that side of the ball. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

On 7/26/2024 at 7:21 AM, temptation said:

25.  Warsaw

24.  Valparaiso

23.  Mishswaka

22.  Noblesville

21.   Merrillville

Well this tells you how strong Penn's schedule is this year....Penn Plays #24 game 1 and #23 in game 2....that is as good as it gets. YIKES

[BLACKGOLD2007]

On 7/26/2024 at 4:31 PM, BTF said:

Looking forward to what Mishawaka can do in 4A. Two top notch athletes getting poached by Elkhart shouldn't affect Coach Kinder and the program that the Cavemen have built over the last few decades. 

They have a good chance of upsetting Penn this year. Game is at Mishawaka, and well they are always good. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

16 hours ago, temptation said:

They play in week 2.  A measuring stick game for Warsaw.

Freaking Warsaw got Warren on their schedule! WHAT THE HECK GUYS!

[BLACKGOLD2007]

14 hours ago, temptation said:

See a lot of 3 and outs for Warsaw in this one…hard to control the tempo.

Warren doesn't need to win big, they just need to win. With the game being at home. I think Warren wins the game 24-10 or 17-7. 

[NLCTigerFan07]

22 hours ago, temptation said:

Warsaw/Warren spread right now in your mind is…

Warren Central -20.5

[NLCTigerFan07]

5 hours ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Freaking Warsaw got Warren on their schedule! WHAT THE HECK GUYS!

And then I believe after this home and home with Warren the next two years, the Tigers have a home and homes with Ben Davis and Fort Wayne Snider in the 2026 and 2027 seasons 😲

[temptation]

7 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Warren had the best defense in the state last year???? Am I reading that right? I can only say that Snider had a better defense than Warren did last year and that is both by the eye test and stats.Not sure who had the best defense in the state last year, but Warren is behind Snider in any list.

As far as where you have Snider in your top 25, I would assume top 10, but honestly, without seeing what each team has, preseason rankings are really hard to do 

You’re right.  My bad.

[temptation]

7 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

In no way am I comparing Merrillville to Warren, Warren is one of the top programs in Indiana bar none, Merrillville is a paper tiger that has endless D1 players at their disposal and never achieves jack crap. 

Warren has been gifted either #1 or #2 in 6A preseason rankings based on how “great” their returning talent is and a few transfers. As you stated, they were 5-7 last year so a 7 loss team should be nowhere near the top of anyone’s preseason rankings, they need to earn it. 
 

I mean, you are being a bit intentionally obtuse.  Warren plays a top 5 schedule annually and their record does not tell the whole story.

I have been as critical of them on here as anyone and watched them fold and dare I say the word QUIT in a couple of games last year once their season started heading south.

However, they did manage to give Ben Davis a bit of a game even though there are a couple of important caveats from that game specifically.

1.  Warren scored two special teams touchdowns.

2.  BD played without Nylan Brown.

However, Warren did lose its quarterback early in that game and had to turn to a freshman if I am not mistaken.

The damn broke in a couple of games as the offense could not sustain drives and hang on to the ball, not to mention the penalties.

They then regrouped and played deadlocked with Center Grove for 2+ quarters…and we saw what CG did against the eventual state champs a week later.  That regional game was 0-0 at the half until Warren’s defense had nothing left to give late.

I always enjoy looking at the preseason magazines but the most overrated stat is “returning starters” particularly from a team with a losing record.

That’s the case here which is why I am in wait and see mode on Warren.

It comes across as me being bullish or hyping them up because I honestly (fingers crossed) see a lot of potential for parity in 6A this year.  There is no clear favorite.

Edited July 30, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

It comes across as me being bullish or hyping them up because I honestly (fingers crossed) see a lot of potential for parity in 6A this year.  There is no clear favorite.

Center Grove? I'll roll with them by default. Last year was a "down" year and were an overtime from taking four in a roll. I'd have a hard time not ranking them #1.

[Komets2727]

4 hours ago, temptation said:

I mean, you are being a bit intentionally obtuse.  Warren plays a top 5 schedule annually and their record does not tell the whole story.

I have been as critical of them on here as anyone and watched them fold and dare I say the word QUIT in a couple of games last year once their season started heading south.

However, they did manage to give Ben Davis a bit of a game even though there are a couple of important caveats from that game specifically.

1.  Warren scored two special teams touchdowns.

2.  BD played without Nylan Brown.

However, Warren did lose its quarterback early in that game and had to turn to a freshman if I am not mistaken.

The damn broke in a couple of games as the offense could not sustain drives and hang on to the ball, not to mention the penalties.

They then regrouped and played deadlocked with Center Grove for 2+ quarters…and we saw what CG did against the eventual state champs a week later.  That regional game was 0-0 at the half until Warren’s defense had nothing left to give late.

I always enjoy looking at the preseason magazines but the most overrated stat is “returning starters” particularly from a team with a losing record.

That’s the case here which is why I am in wait and see mode on Warren.

It comes across as me being bullish or hyping them up because I honestly (fingers crossed) see a lot of potential for parity in 6A this year.  There is no clear favorite.

Ok, I will play along a bit here. Since you state that the most overrated stat is returning starters on a losing team, I will be very interested where you rank a 7 loss team with all those returning starters. If they are even sniffing top 5 in your rankings, me thinks you got some splaining to do. 

I just went and looked at who Warren beat last year, it would be nobody. They lost to a 5-5 Carmel team as well. 
 

 

Edited July 31, 2024 by Komets2727

[temptation]

8 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Ok, I will play along a bit here. Since you state that the most overrated stat is returning starters on a losing team, I will be very interested where you rank a 7 loss team with all those returning starters. If they are even sniffing top 5 in your rankings, me thinks you got some splaining to do. 

I just went and looked at who Warren beat last year, it would be nobody. They lost to a 5-5 Carmel team as well. 
 

 

C’mon.  You are doing it again.

I can’t believe you are putting me in the spot of defending Warren and that I am about to make an SEC analogy but here we are.

The MIC, though not as formidable as it once was is still the SEC of Indiana high school football and even though Warren had a subpar year last year and were a mid pack team in the MIC, they win seven games in every other league not named the HCC.

Add to that fact that nearly all of their talent is returning and they’ve upgraded at the skill positions and it’s not hard to fathom.

[BTF]

I think Warren Central checks off enough boxes to be considered a major player in 6A. 

Large Enrollment ✅

Athletes ✅

Good Coaching ✅

Transfer Portal ✅

Tradition ✅

My only skepticism is that they were highly touted last year and it never materialized. It's not that they weren't good. Any Top 25 (any class) team is good, they just weren't Top of 6A good. I think they have an opportunity to change that this year. Looking forward to Week 1 when 6A Fort Wayne takes on Warren Central, Hamilton Southeastern, Carmel. We'll find out real quick if the north will be contenders or pretenders this year. 

[Slobberknocker]

16 hours ago, temptation said:

I mean, you are being a bit intentionally obtuse.  Warren plays a top 5 schedule annually and their record does not tell the whole story.

I have been as critical of them on here as anyone and watched them fold and dare I say the word QUIT in a couple of games last year once their season started heading south.

However, they did manage to give Ben Davis a bit of a game even though there are a couple of important caveats from that game specifically.

1.  Warren scored two special teams touchdowns.

2.  BD played without Nylan Brown.

However, Warren did lose its quarterback early in that game and had to turn to a freshman if I am not mistaken.

The damn broke in a couple of games as the offense could not sustain drives and hang on to the ball, not to mention the penalties.

They then regrouped and played deadlocked with Center Grove for 2+ quarters…and we saw what CG did against the eventual state champs a week later.  That regional game was 0-0 at the half until Warren’s defense had nothing left to give late.

I always enjoy looking at the preseason magazines but the most overrated stat is “returning starters” particularly from a team with a losing record.

That’s the case here which is why I am in wait and see mode on Warren.

It comes across as me being bullish or hyping them up because I honestly (fingers crossed) see a lot of potential for parity in 6A this year.  There is no clear favorite.

Funny thing is if Center Grove had WC talent everybody would be talking about an undefeated state champ.

Look at past CG D-line with Booker, Curry, Schott brothers and this WC team with Shanklin - LSU, Burrus - Louisville  and 2026 JJ Finch with multiple P5 offers. 

But like you, I am in wait and see mode on WC. There has been something off in WC program past couple of years that I can' put my finger on it.

 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

18 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

And then I believe after this home and home with Warren the next two years, the Tigers have a home and homes with Ben Davis and Fort Wayne Snider in the 2026 and 2027 seasons 😲

OMG....WTH! Bart isn't scared to test his squads.

[BLACKGOLD2007]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

C’mon.  You are doing it again.

I can’t believe you are putting me in the spot of defending Warren and that I am about to make an SEC analogy but here we are.

The MIC, though not as formidable as it once was is still the SEC of Indiana high school football and even though Warren had a subpar year last year and were a mid pack team in the MIC, they win seven games in every other league not named the HCC.

Add to that fact that nearly all of their talent is returning and they’ve upgraded at the skill positions and it’s not hard to fathom.

I think Warren, even though there were down last year, wins sectional 1 or 2 last year. 

I think the CP game would be super close, but I think they are a semi-state team in the North brackets.