College Football 2024

[Bobref]

The AP poll came out today, officially signaling the end of the off season, and the beginning of the real season. So, a new Topic was warranted.

Oregon at #3? 🤪

 

Edited August 12, 2024 by Bobref

[Bobref]

Comparing the current AP poll with the very first one in 1936. Looks like only one team has stood the test of time. 😉

 

[temptation]

2 hours ago, Bobref said:

Comparing the current AP poll with the very first one in 1936. Looks like only one team has stood the test of time. 😉

 

@Bobref fits every sports fans’ stereotype of a Notre Dame fan to a T.

[Bobref]

26 minutes ago, temptation said:

@Bobref fits every sports fans’ stereotype of a Notre Dame fan to a T.

You’re so easy.

[temptation]

12 minutes ago, Bobref said:

You’re so easy.

Still forgot ALL CAPS I see.

(Also, please tell the ND weirdos to leave Ivan Taylor alone…it’s getting kinda creepy.)

[Boilernation]

On 8/12/2024 at 5:45 PM, Bobref said:

The AP poll came out today, officially signaling the end of the off season, and the beginning of the real season. So, a new Topic was warranted.

Oregon at #3? 🤪

 

Oregon is legit. They brought in a top 2 or 3 portal class and have a solid coach. Penn State is probably too high. LSU should be in the Top 10.

[Bobref]

1 hour ago, Boilernation said:

Oregon is legit

The B1G people are mostly of the impression that they will be able to push Oregon around on the line of scrimmage. This should be very interesting.

[Boilernation]

13 minutes ago, Bobref said:

The B1G people are mostly of the impression that they will be able to push Oregon around on the line of scrimmage. This should be very interesting.

That might not be a reality. Oregon argubly has the best O-Line in the Big Ten and their D-Line is will likely be Top 5 in the Big Ten.

[First_Backer_Inside]

2 hours ago, Boilernation said:

Oregon is legit. They brought in a top 2 or 3 portal class and have a solid coach. Penn State is probably too high. LSU should be in the Top 10.

From what I have heard this is Penn States year. They have Ohio State at home. They're only real road test will come at USC. Arguably the best running back duo in the nation, solid second year quarterback, defense has been solid the last couple years and is supposed to be even deeper. I feel like Franklin has underachieved big time since being there, but he keeps bringing in good talent. Maybe with the expanded playoffs, even a loss to OSU they make it.

[temptation]

2 hours ago, Boilernation said:

That might not be a reality. Oregon argubly has the best O-Line in the Big Ten and their D-Line is will likely be Top 5 in the Big Ten.

I can’t fully get on board with Oregon in year one. They seem like “Ohio State light” to me.  Sometimes I may be stereotyping, but they seem like, historically, a finesse offense that has to outscore you to beat you.
 

They lost to the same Washington team twice last year that Michigan ran for over 300 yards against.

November road games in Ann Arbor and Madison will be telling…

I see them as a playoff team, no doubt but cannot get on board with them winning the Big Ten.

Will gladly come back in December if I am wrong.

56 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

From what I have heard this is Penn States year. They have Ohio State at home. They're only real road test will come at USC. Arguably the best running back duo in the nation, solid second year quarterback, defense has been solid the last couple years and is supposed to be even deeper. I feel like Franklin has underachieved big time since being there, but he keeps bringing in good talent. Maybe with the expanded playoffs, even a loss to OSU they make it.

It’s do or die for Franklin this year.  Perennial underachiever/overthinker.

Schedule sets up nicely as you said but he always manages to step on a rake in big games.

Edited August 16, 2024 by temptation

[Bobref]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

I can’t fully get on board with Oregon in year one. They seem like “Ohio State light” to me.  Sometimes I may be stereotyping, but they seem like, historically, a finesse offense that has to outscore you to beat you.

[Bobref]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

I can’t fully get on board with Oregon in year one. They seem like “Ohio State light” to me.  Sometimes I may be stereotyping, but they seem like, historically, a finesse offense that has to outscore you to beat you.

@temptation Bobref fits every sports fans’ stereotype of a Notre Dame B1G fan to a T. 🤣😂

Edited August 16, 2024 by Bobref

[temptation]

11 minutes ago, Bobref said:

@temptation Bobref fits every sports fans’ stereotype of a Notre Dame B1G fan to a T. 🤣😂

PAC 12 teams are to defense as oil is to water.

I’ll say the same about what’s about to happen to Oklahoma and Texas in the $EC.

[Boilernation]

23 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

From what I have heard this is Penn States year. They have Ohio State at home. They're only real road test will come at USC. Arguably the best running back duo in the nation, solid second year quarterback, defense has been solid the last couple years and is supposed to be even deeper. I feel like Franklin has underachieved big time since being there, but he keeps bringing in good talent. Maybe with the expanded playoffs, even a loss to OSU they make it.

I agree with pretty much everything you said regarding Penn State and I'm looking forward to see if Allar can level up his Sophomore year. But, I agree with @temptation, I'll believe it when I see it with Franklin. 

[Boilernation]

22 hours ago, temptation said:

I can’t fully get on board with Oregon in year one. They seem like “Ohio State light” to me.  Sometimes I may be stereotyping, but they seem like, historically, a finesse offense that has to outscore you to beat you.
 

They lost to the same Washington team twice last year that Michigan ran for over 300 yards against.

November road games in Ann Arbor and Madison will be telling…

I see them as a playoff team, no doubt but cannot get on board with them winning the Big Ten.

Will gladly come back in December if I am wrong.

It’s do or die for Franklin this year.  Perennial underachiever/overthinker.

Schedule sets up nicely as you said but he always manages to step on a rake in big games.

I guess I just don't view Oregon as finesse anymore. I think they have the opposite of Chip Kelly now and have an SEC caliber coach with Lanning. The guy is only 38 and has an impressive resume with his work at Georgia. I like the way he coaches and I keep reading Oregon has a Top 5 national OL and a Top 10 to Top 20 (depending on source) DL. I have a feeling they'll surprise people this year. Plus, I doubt Eugene's average daily temps in October and November are that much higher than the likes of Big Ten towns. Highly likely more precipitation in Eugue as well. Their schedule sets up fairly nicely. As you mentioned trips to Madison and Ann Arbor will be telling. 

@ Madison gets tougher as the Badgers will be coming off a rested bye week. Michigan will have Michigan State before the Oregon game and Oregon should have a snoozer at home with Illinois. 

At this point I would probably still roll with Ohio State to win the Big Ten, but I'm still skeptical of the QB from Kansas State. Is he really that good? I don't watch much Big 12 football.

Edited August 17, 2024 by Boilernation

[temptation]

45 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

I guess I just don't view Oregon as finesse anymore. I think they have the opposite of Chip Kelly now and have an SEC caliber coach with Lanning. The guy is only 38 and has an impressive resume with his work at Georgia. I like the way he coaches and I keep reading Oregon has a Top 5 national OL and a Top 10 to Top 20 (depending on source) DL. I have a feeling they'll surprise people this year. Plus, I doubt Eugene's average daily temps in October and November are that much higher than the likes of Big Ten towns. Highly likely more precipitation in Eugue as well. Their schedule sets up fairly nicely. As you mentioned trips to Madison and Ann Arbor will be telling. 

@ Madison gets tougher as the Badgers will be coming off a rested bye week. Michigan will have Michigan State before the Oregon game and Oregon should have a snoozer at home with Illinois. 

At this point I would probably still roll with Ohio State to win the Big Ten, but I'm still skeptical of the QB from Kansas State. Is he really that good? I don't watch much Big 12 football.

Chip Kelly finesse you say???

 

45 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

I guess I just don't view Oregon as finesse anymore. I think they have the opposite of Chip Kelly now and have an SEC caliber coach with Lanning. The guy is only 38 and has an impressive resume with his work at Georgia. I like the way he coaches and I keep reading Oregon has a Top 5 national OL and a Top 10 to Top 20 (depending on source) DL. I have a feeling they'll surprise people this year. Plus, I doubt Eugene's average daily temps in October and November are that much higher than the likes of Big Ten towns. Highly likely more precipitation in Eugue as well. Their schedule sets up fairly nicely. As you mentioned trips to Madison and Ann Arbor will be telling. 

@ Madison gets tougher as the Badgers will be coming off a rested bye week. Michigan will have Michigan State before the Oregon game and Oregon should have a snoozer at home with Illinois. 

At this point I would probably still roll with Ohio State to win the Big Ten, but I'm still skeptical of the QB from Kansas State. Is he really that good? I don't watch much Big 12 football.

My personal opinion (possibly
 because I want it to be true…)

Kyle McCord > Will Howard

Edited August 17, 2024 by temptation

[Irishman]

As far as the Oregon discussion goes, they will be the quickest to adapt to the new conference. I said this when NIL started; Oregon is the team to watch. As much money as we see in the SEC programs, no one comes close for what Oregon has available with Nike execs that are alums. I still feel the current path lasts 5 years tops, and Oregon will be one of the leaders in driving it to some sort of professional league. 

[Boilernation]

On 8/17/2024 at 3:43 PM, temptation said:

Chip Kelly finesse you say???

 

My personal opinion (possibly
 because I want it to be true…)

Kyle McCord > Will Howard

Yeah, considering Kelly as finesse is probably not accurate. His Oregon offenses under Belotti and then once he became HC were the first in college football to really push the tempo. For some reason I just can't wrap my head around the idea of a high powered offense led by Marcus Mariotta not being finesse. I think Kelly has found his sweet spot though. From everything I've read he cares more about working on offensive x's and o's than being the CEO of the coaching staff. 

I think Ohio State's offense is in a lot of trouble next year if McCord > Howard. Probably wishful thinking on your part. 

[temptation]

7 hours ago, Boilernation said:

Yeah, considering Kelly as finesse is probably not accurate. His Oregon offenses under Belotti and then once he became HC were the first in college football to really push the tempo. For some reason I just can't wrap my head around the idea of a high powered offense led by Marcus Mariotta not being finesse. I think Kelly has found his sweet spot though. From everything I've read he cares more about working on offensive x's and o's than being the CEO of the coaching staff. 

I think Ohio State's offense is in a lot of trouble next year if McCord > Howard. Probably wishful thinking on your part. 

The fact that OSU has had an embarrassment of riches at QB for nearly two consecutive decades leads me to believe Howard will be good.  His legs could be the difference maker.

But their expectations are much too high as they have been spoiled at the position.  

If Ryan Day realizes he has the best running back room in the country, watch out.

 Otherwise, hard for me to take them seriously.

Edited August 19, 2024 by temptation

[Irishman]

Thought this was interesting. 

[temptation]

12 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Thought this was interesting. 

If IU goes 10-2, I’ll buy every person on this board a beer.

[Muda69]

Woah.  That bad, huh?

[WarrenGrad12]

On 8/16/2024 at 4:05 PM, temptation said:

I can’t fully get on board with Oregon in year one. They seem like “Ohio State light” to me.  Sometimes I may be stereotyping, but they seem like, historically, a finesse offense that has to outscore you to beat you.
 

They lost to the same Washington team twice last year that Michigan ran for over 300 yards against.

November road games in Ann Arbor and Madison will be telling…

I see them as a playoff team, no doubt but cannot get on board with them winning the Big Ten.

Will gladly come back in December if I am wrong.

It’s do or die for Franklin this year.  Perennial underachiever/overthinker.

Schedule sets up nicely as you said but he always manages to step on a rake in big games.

By “big games,” you mean Michigan and Ohio State, two teams that are clearly better than them? Otherwise, Ole Miss is the only program they’ve lost to since 2021. And their postseason ranking matches up incredibly consistent with what they’ve been preseason the last couple of years. 
 

So, unless you think Penn State’s ceiling is higher than 3rd in the Big Ten, then I don’t think it’s fair to say they have underachieved, at least as of late. They had a couple underwhelming years but got them back on track. 
 

And fwiw, Franklin’s win percentage at Penn State isn’t terribly far behind what Paterno’s was. Maybe it’s just Penn State is what it is. A ceiling as a top 10-15 program that can break in the top 10 on occasion

Edited August 24, 2024 by WarrenGrad12

[temptation]

27 minutes ago, WarrenGrad12 said:

By “big games,” you mean Michigan and Ohio State, two teams that are clearly better than them? Otherwise, Ole Miss is the only program they’ve lost to since 2021. And their postseason ranking matches up incredibly consistent with what they’ve been preseason the last couple of years. 
 

So, unless you think Penn State’s ceiling is higher than 3rd in the Big Ten, then I don’t think it’s fair to say they have underachieved, at least as of late. They had a couple underwhelming years but got them back on track. 
 

And fwiw, Franklin’s win percentage at Penn State isn’t terribly far behind what Paterno’s was. Maybe it’s just Penn State is what it is. A ceiling as a top 10-15 program that can break in the top 10 on occasion

3-17 vs top 10 teams.  Gotta do better.

[Irishman]

Watching ESPN's Gameday. Herbstreit just explained the playoff format. One HUGE flaw in the system is there will be no reseeding. I was surprised to see that.