MIC Week #3

[temptation]

A lot of unknowns here, lol.

Ben Davis @ Pike:  Only a handful of folks in Hendricks County had BD getting off to an 0-2 start.  NO ONE has BD getting off to an 0-3 start.  The reverse is likely true when it comes to Pike.  I posted a question asking if it was time to "hit the panic button" on the west side in another thread and the answer to me is YES, if what I am about to type is true.  The Red Devils are perhaps 6A's biggest surprise at 2-0 and this one is personal as Pike has not beaten BD since 2015 and most of them haven't been close.  Pike's staff KNOWS BD.  I can't believe I am about to type this as I have a chance to look really foolish on Friday night but if BD can't muster up a win at home, they are walking into a Hornet's nest on the northwest side Friday night.  Pike gets its biggest win in over a decade.  27-23.

Carmel @ Centerville (OH):  The Hounds let one get away in losing a third consecutive to county rival Westfield and they travel to the Dayton suburbs to take on Centerville whom I know little about other than a quick search of 247, MaxPreps and a couple of Ohio sites.  Centerville was drubbed by St. Xavier out of Cincinnati who is not deemed top 10 worthy in Ohio by most in the know.  I'll be a homer here and take Carmel 24-14.

Center Grove @ Trinity (KY):  Perplexed on this one as I posted in another thread.  Trinity is considered KY's top team and appears in @whiteshoes' top 100, yet does not boast a player 3 stars or higher in either the 2025/2026 classes according to 247?  CG bounced back last week with a win over a solid Carroll squad after letting one get away in week 1.  Going homer again here I guess.  20-17 CG.

Lawrence Central @ Edwardsville (IL):  Bears are 0-2 but have two close losses and are talented.  They travel to the suburbs of St. Louis to take on 8A Edwardsville.  Edwardsville boasts a bona fide star on their DL, committed to Iowa, and is considered a top 15 team in Illinois.  That's enough for me.  LC falls to 0-3.  Edwardsville takes it 30-14.

Lawrence North @ Wayne (OH):  LN will join Carmel on I-70 east to take on Wayne (OH) who lost to a good Pickerington Central squad.  Wildcats could quietly put themselves in position for a MIC title later on this year and I have a hunch they make a statement in the Buckeye state this weekend.  Wildcats win 31-21.

Warren Central @ North Central:  Can Warren Central start the season without giving up a point for 12 quarters?  I think so and NC's only chance at getting on the board in this one may be a special teams or defensive score.  Warren rolls 41-0.

What say you?

 

[WarrenGrad12]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

A lot of unknowns here, lol.

Ben Davis @ Pike:  Only a handful of folks in Hendricks County had BD getting off to an 0-2 start.  NO ONE has BD getting off to an 0-3 start.  The reverse is likely true when it comes to Pike.  I posted a question asking if it was time to "hit the panic button" on the west side in another thread and the answer to me is YES, if what I am about to type is true.  The Red Devils are perhaps 6A's biggest surprise at 2-0 and this one is personal as Pike has not beaten BD since 2015 and most of them haven't been close.  Pike's staff KNOWS BD.  I can't believe I am about to type this as I have a chance to look really foolish on Friday night but if BD can't muster up a win at home, they are walking into a Hornet's nest on the northwest side Friday night.  Pike gets its biggest win in over a decade.  27-23.

Carmel @ Centerville (OH):  The Hounds let one get away in losing a third consecutive to county rival Westfield and they travel to the Dayton suburbs to take on Centerville whom I know little about other than a quick search of 247, MaxPreps and a couple of Ohio sites.  Centerville was drubbed by St. Xavier out of Cincinnati who is not deemed top 10 worthy in Ohio by most in the know.  I'll be a homer here and take Carmel 24-14.

Center Grove @ Trinity (KY):  Perplexed on this one as I posted in another thread.  Trinity is considered KY's top team and appears in @whiteshoes' top 100, yet does not boast a player 3 stars or higher in either the 2025/2026 classes according to 247?  CG bounced back last week with a win over a solid Carroll squad after letting one get away in week 1.  Going homer again here I guess.  20-17 CG.

Lawrence Central @ Edwardsville (IL):  Bears are 0-2 but have two close losses and are talented.  They travel to the suburbs of St. Louis to take on 8A Edwardsville.  Edwardsville boasts a bona fide star on their DL, committed to Iowa, and is considered a top 15 team in Illinois.  That's enough for me.  LC falls to 0-3.  Edwardsville takes it 30-14.

Lawrence North @ Wayne (OH):  LN will join Carmel on I-70 east to take on Wayne (OH) who lost to a good Pickerington Central squad.  Wildcats could quietly put themselves in position for a MIC title later on this year and I have a hunch they make a statement in the Buckeye state this weekend.  Wildcats win 31-21.

Warren Central @ North Central:  Can Warren Central start the season without giving up a point for 12 quarters?  I think so and NC's only chance at getting on the board in this one may be a special teams or defensive score.  Warren rolls 41-0.

What say you?

 

I don’t know enough about these out of state teams to make a prediction but I have a question for you:

If Warren scored 21 points in every game this year, what would their final record be? Not saying on average but if they got to that mark each week?

 

[temptation]

6 minutes ago, WarrenGrad12 said:

I don’t know enough about these out of state teams to make a prediction but I have a question for you:

If Warren scored 21 points in every game this year, what would their final record be? Not saying on average but if they got to that mark each week?

 

Depends on if they are giving up scores on turnovers or short fields.  I still don’t trust their offense.

If all things were equal and Warren’s offense scored 21 points per week, no way they lose more than 2 games in my opinion.

[Komets2727]

5 hours ago, temptation said:

Depends on if they are giving up scores on turnovers or short fields.  I still don’t trust their offense.

If all things were equal and Warren’s offense scored 21 points per week, no way they lose more than 2 games in my opinion.

Warren has 4 games on their schedule that aren’t guaranteed wins. Ben Davis, Lawrence North, Carmel, and Cathedral. Very likely, they will be 8-1 or 9-0 heading to playoff time

[temptation]

8 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Warren has 4 games on their schedule that aren’t guaranteed wins. Ben Davis, Lawrence North, Carmel, and Cathedral. Very likely, they will be 8-1 or 9-0 heading to playoff time

Not willing to go that far.  I think the numbers agree with you but suddenly Pike is formidable and LC has enough talent to make things interesting.

It is however, amusing how you’ve changed your tune in two weeks.

Edited September 4 by temptation

[Komets2727]

37 minutes ago, temptation said:

Not willing to go that far.  I think the numbers agree with you but suddenly Pike is formidable and LC has enough talent to make things interesting.

It is however, amusing how you’ve changed your tune in two weeks.

Go back and read what I said about Warren. This year is different than last year. Still think their offense is not great, but the defense is really good. Never did I say Warren was bad this year.

[temptation]

15 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Go back and read what I said about Warren. This year is different than last year. Still think their offense is not great, but the defense is really good. Never did I say Warren was bad this year.

You said “they had to prove themselves”…wins over a Snider team (that even you are skeptical about ) and WARSAW and you are sold on 8-2/9-1?

Edited September 4 by temptation

[BDGiant93]

All perfectly reasonable predictions. I had a dream that Ben Davis scored 65 points in this game, but we all know how dreams go in reality sometimes. BD has not been 0-3 since 1983.

[FastpacedO]

16 hours ago, temptation said:

A lot of unknowns here, lol.

Ben Davis @ Pike:  Only a handful of folks in Hendricks County had BD getting off to an 0-2 start.  NO ONE has BD getting off to an 0-3 start.  The reverse is likely true when it comes to Pike.  I posted a question asking if it was time to "hit the panic button" on the west side in another thread and the answer to me is YES, if what I am about to type is true.  The Red Devils are perhaps 6A's biggest surprise at 2-0 and this one is personal as Pike has not beaten BD since 2015 and most of them haven't been close.  Pike's staff KNOWS BD.  I can't believe I am about to type this as I have a chance to look really foolish on Friday night but if BD can't muster up a win at home, they are walking into a Hornet's nest on the northwest side Friday night.  Pike gets its biggest win in over a decade.  27-23.

Carmel @ Centerville (OH):  The Hounds let one get away in losing a third consecutive to county rival Westfield and they travel to the Dayton suburbs to take on Centerville whom I know little about other than a quick search of 247, MaxPreps and a couple of Ohio sites.  Centerville was drubbed by St. Xavier out of Cincinnati who is not deemed top 10 worthy in Ohio by most in the know.  I'll be a homer here and take Carmel 24-14.

Center Grove @ Trinity (KY):  Perplexed on this one as I posted in another thread.  Trinity is considered KY's top team and appears in @whiteshoes' top 100, yet does not boast a player 3 stars or higher in either the 2025/2026 classes according to 247?  CG bounced back last week with a win over a solid Carroll squad after letting one get away in week 1.  Going homer again here I guess.  20-17 CG.

Lawrence Central @ Edwardsville (IL):  Bears are 0-2 but have two close losses and are talented.  They travel to the suburbs of St. Louis to take on 8A Edwardsville.  Edwardsville boasts a bona fide star on their DL, committed to Iowa, and is considered a top 15 team in Illinois.  That's enough for me.  LC falls to 0-3.  Edwardsville takes it 30-14.

Lawrence North @ Wayne (OH):  LN will join Carmel on I-70 east to take on Wayne (OH) who lost to a good Pickerington Central squad.  Wildcats could quietly put themselves in position for a MIC title later on this year and I have a hunch they make a statement in the Buckeye state this weekend.  Wildcats win 31-21.

Warren Central @ North Central:  Can Warren Central start the season without giving up a point for 12 quarters?  I think so and NC's only chance at getting on the board in this one may be a special teams or defensive score.  Warren rolls 41-0.

What say you?

 

This is only opinion, Ben Davis will go as their defense goes which has been a struggle. Offensively they probably need to be a lean a little more on the run. Price had 20 carries for 113 yards averaging 5.7 per carry, they threw 2 picks against Avon. They probably should be more run heavy and use the run to set up the pass, having Zachery can definitely be a weapon but it looks to be forced a lot. They need some big improvement up front defensively, they took some major hits defensively to graduation.

 

Not sure how St. X will finish this year. They did lose a close one (17-13) to Lakota West and then beat Centerville. Calpreps has them just outside the Top 10 in the entire State at 13 and at #5 in Division 1 behind St. Ed's, Lakota West, Moeller, and Olentangy Liberty. Their starting QB is a noteworthy name in Kirk Herbstreit's son Chase (Ironically Kirk was a star QB at Centerville during his HS days). Chase had a decent game against Centerville. Cathedral and St. X clash this Friday, a lot of games vs Ohio this Friday.

[temptation]

15 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

This is only opinion, Ben Davis will go as their defense goes which has been a struggle. Offensively they probably need to be a lean a little more on the run. Price had 20 carries for 113 yards averaging 5.7 per carry, they threw 2 picks against Avon. They probably should be more run heavy and use the run to set up the pass, having Zachery can definitely be a weapon but it looks to be forced a lot. They need some big improvement up front defensively, they took some major hits defensively to graduation.

 

Not sure how St. X will finish this year. They did lose a close one (17-13) to Lakota West and then beat Centerville. Calpreps has them just outside the Top 10 in the entire State at 13 and at #5 in Division 1 behind St. Ed's, Lakota West, Moeller, and Olentangy Liberty. Their starting QB is a noteworthy name in Kirk Herbstreit's son Chase (Ironically Kirk was a star QB at Centerville during his HS days). Chase had a decent game against Centerville. Cathedral and St. X clash this Friday, a lot of games vs Ohio this Friday.

Good stuff.  Absolutely mind blowing to me that after week 3, Pike could be sitting at 3-0, while BD is 0-3.

 

[Komets2727]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

You said “they had to prove themselves”…wins over a Snider team (that even you are skeptical about ) and WARSAW and you are sold on 8-2/9-1?

I am sold on their defense for sure. The schedule they have left is not overwhelming either, including a down Ben Davis, Carmel who is iffy at best, and Cathedral who just got waxed by Brownsburg. Those are 3 of their tough games. How can you not see 8-1 at the worst? If you put Brownsburg, HSE, Westfield, or Center Grove on their schedule I think it might be a different scenario 

Edited September 4 by Komets2727

[temptation]

13 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

I am sold on their defense for sure. The schedule they have left is not overwhelming either, including a down Ben Davis, Carmel who is iffy at best, and Cathedral who just got waxed by Brownsburg. Those are 3 of their tough games. How can you not see 8-1 at the worst? If you put Brownsburg, HSE, Westfield, or Center Grove on their schedule I think it might be a different scenario 

I actually agree with you.  Just like the debate.  The BD and Cathedral games don't look as daunting as they did a month ago (though it is a long season), though the case could also be made the Pike game actually looks competitive whereas no one would have said that a month ago.

I pegged them at 7-8 wins preseason simply because it seems every challenging game outside of Snider is on their home field.  THREE road games and two of them are Pike and North Central?

[Slobberknocker]

It is pathetic that in week 3 there are 4 out of state schools on this list of games. We should be talking about a Carmel vs Center Grove Copper Kettle game. Heck just last night Carmel and CG played volleyball game so Carmel nonsense about play CG is just BS.

[temptation]

29 minutes ago, Slobberknocker said:

It is pathetic that in week 3 there are 4 out of state schools on this list of games. We should be talking about a Carmel vs Center Grove Copper Kettle game. Heck just last night Carmel and CG played volleyball game so Carmel nonsense about play CG is just BS.

Yep.  Kudos to BD for having the stones to put CG back on the football schedule.  

Warren still playing the victim card and Carmel is just too hard headed to walk it back.

Pretty sad for the kids honestly.

 

[WarrenGrad12]

On 9/4/2024 at 9:25 AM, temptation said:

Yep.  Kudos to BD for having the stones to put CG back on the football schedule.  

Warren still playing the victim card and Carmel is just too hard headed to walk it back.

Pretty sad for the kids honestly.

 

Warren isn’t playing the victim card. They are practically guaranteed to see CG in the regional so they’re using the regular season as an opportunity to get other teams on the schedule.

If they were playing the victim, why keep Carmel? If you ask folks at Warren, that game has much more significance as a rivalry because of the state championship history.

[temptation]

24 minutes ago, WarrenGrad12 said:

Warren isn’t playing the victim card. They are practically guaranteed to see CG in the regional so they’re using the regular season as an opportunity to get other teams on the schedule.

If they were playing the victim, why keep Carmel? If you ask folks at Warren, that game has much more significance as a rivalry because of the state championship history.

Just stop.  I’ve been over this on this forum multiple times.  You wanna be the best, play the best.  CG became an easy target with the help of the media and outside nonsense.
 

I am old enough to remember when “big bad” Warren had a “play anybody, anywhere” type of mindset.  Then they, along with the other MIC schools, get their feelings hurt and breakup with Carmel and CG before Carmel and CG have a chance to breakup with them.

Warren hasn’t beaten CG since 2019 and isn’t going to do so by taking advantage of “the opportunity to get other teams on the schedule.”

Soft.

 

 

[Bash Riprock]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Just stop.  I’ve been over this on this forum multiple times.  You wanna be the best, play the best.  CG became an easy target with the help of the media and outside nonsense.
 

I am old enough to remember when “big bad” Warren had a “play anybody, anywhere” type of mindset.  Then they, along with the other MIC schools, get their feelings hurt and breakup with Carmel and CG before Carmel and CG have a chance to breakup with them.

Warren hasn’t beaten CG since 2019 and isn’t going to do so by taking advantage of “the opportunity to get other teams on the schedule.”

Soft.

 

 

Its all very interesting...I went in and looked at CG's current fall sports teams schedules, and their previous winter and spring sports schedules.  Warren is much more consistent....they only play CG boys and girls in basketball.  (at least what I could see)  Carmel does compete against CG in a variety of sports such as tennis, track, golf, volleyball, wrestling, etc.  Carmel does not play CG in football, basketball, baseball or softball.  (at least in the past year)  (this does not include events such as track invitationals where they could come up against each other)

I am not sure why Carmel and Warren will compete against CG in some sports and not others.  All seems very silly.

Edited September 5 by Bash Riprock

[temptation]

15 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Its all very interesting...I went in and looked at CG's current fall sports teams schedules, and their previous winter and spring sports schedules.  Warren is much more consistent....they only play CG boys and girls in basketball.  (at least what I could see)  Carmel does compete against CG in a variety of sports such as tennis, track, golf, volleyball, wrestling, etc.  Carmel does not play CG in football, basketball, baseball or softball.  (at least in the past year)  (this does not include events such as track invitationals where they could come up against each other)

I am not sure why Carmel and Warren will compete against CG in some sports and not others.  All seems very silly.

I think that most of the sports you mentioned (could be mistaken) in which Carmel and CG play have “invitationals” in which multiple teams compete unless you are insinuating they have a wrestling dual/volleyball match.

You're going to run into each other in those sports wheee competitions are mainly invite based as naturally they are hard to avoid.

You’re right though.  It’s all really bizarre and silly in the grand scheme of things and the kids are ultimately suffering so the adults can virtue signal and control some embellished narrative.

Carmel and CG are both getting on a bus Friday night, traveling 2+ hours each way across state lines in order to “protect each other” from the other party because some adults refuse to lock themselves in a room and sort out their differences.  
 

Both teams will roll back into their school parking lots well after midnight and the coaches (and some players I assume) will be right back at it the next morning.

Then, they’ll look at folks with a straight face and speak about “doing what’s best for student athletes.”

Crazy times we are living in.

[Bash Riprock]

26 minutes ago, temptation said:

I think that most of the sports you mentioned (could be mistaken) in which Carmel and CG play have “invitationals” in which multiple teams compete unless you are insinuating they have a wrestling dual/volleyball match.

You're going to run into each other in those sports wheee competitions are mainly invite based as naturally they are hard to avoid.

 

No...there are a number of dual competitions in the sports I mentioned.  I do understand the difference.

[temptation]

22 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

No...there are a number of dual competitions in the sports I mentioned.  I do understand the difference.

Strange.  So, why football?

[Bash Riprock]

21 minutes ago, temptation said:

Strange.  So, why football?

Not sure why some sports and not others....

With Carmel, it looks like football, basketball, baseball and softball....at least over the past year.  But not sure why.

With Warren, looks like everything, except boys and girls basketball.  I do remember WC playing CG in JV/frosh football not long ago.

https://www.centergrovefootball.com/game/game_sheet/36304675

[temptation]

5 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Not sure why some sports and not others....

With Carmel, it looks like football, basketball, baseball and softball....at least over the past year.  But not sure why.

With Warren, looks like everything, except boys and girls basketball.  I do remember WC playing CG in JV/frosh football not long ago.

https://www.centergrovefootball.com/game/game_sheet/36304675

Outside of wrestling, boys/girls track, football and boys/girls basketball, I’m not sure Warren could compete with CG/Carmel in anything else.

[LC_Bears_04]

Pike by 3 over Ben Davis

Carmel by 14 over Centerville

Center Grove by 7 over Louisville Trinity

Edwardsville by 14 over LC

LN by 7 over Wayne

Warren Central by 35 over North Central

[FastpacedO]

On 9/4/2024 at 8:19 AM, Komets2727 said:

I am sold on their defense for sure. The schedule they have left is not overwhelming either, including a down Ben Davis, Carmel who is iffy at best, and Cathedral who just got waxed by Brownsburg. Those are 3 of their tough games. How can you not see 8-1 at the worst? If you put Brownsburg, HSE, Westfield, or Center Grove on their schedule I think it might be a different scenario 

Ben Davis has struggled defensively (they lost a lot to graduation) Offensively they will be okay they have a new OC this year and I think they are still figuring things out. They probably need to lean more to the run and set up the pass instead of the other way. Jury is still out on Carmel they played Westfield pretty tight. I don't necessarily call a 30-14 win for Brownsburg over Cathedral a waxing but a solid victory none the less. Brownsburg will beat a lot of teams on their schedule by more than 16 points. Brownsburg in my opinion right now is the top team in 6A because they are very good in all 3 phases (Offense, Defense, and Special Teams). The problem with Brownsburg has been the tournament, they had the perfect opportunity last year and squandered it. We will see how it all shakes out, but in all honesty Warren Central as great as their defense is has not seen a very good balanced offense yet and doesn't have an overwhelming Offense, so I am looking forward to seeing that Defense against a solid offense.

Warren Central has some challenges ahead. Both Lawrence North and Lawrence Central can put up points. Lawrence North in my opinion will be the better competition for WC in my opinion. As for Cathedral they will be one of the more disciplined teams WC will play. WC and Cathedral will play in last week of the season so both teams should be well oiled machines by that time.

As much as I don't want to (only because of their last couple of years production in the tournament) I right now believe Brownsburg is the best team in 6A. They don't have a lot of weakness, but they have to show in the post season the same as the regular season and they (coaches and players) know it and even talk about it.

Edited September 6 by FastpacedO

[Bears62]

Pike 19 BD 17

Carmel 28 Centerville 21

CG 31 Trinity 20

Edwardsville 45 LC 16

Wayne 37 LN 27

Warren 56 NC 0