Temp’s Top 25 (Week 5)

[temptation]

1. Brownsburg
2. Westfield
3. Center Grove
4. Crown Point
5. Warren Central
6. Lawrence North
7. Indianapolis Cathedral
8. Fishers
9. Hamilton Southeastern
10. Carroll (Fort Wayne)
11. Columbus North
12. New Palestine 
13. Concord
14. Mishawaka 
15. Bishop Chatard 
16. Brebeuf Jesuit
17. Carmel
18. Fort Wayne Snider
19. Lafayette Jefferson
20. Evansville Memorial 
21. Evansville Reitz 
22. Plainfield 
23. Martinsville
24. Elkhart
25. Roncalli

[Footballking16]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

 

1. Brownsburg
2. Westfield
3. Center Grove
4. Crown Point
5. Warren Central
6. Lawrence North
7. Indianapolis Cathedral
8. Fishers
9. Hamilton Southeastern
10. Carroll (Fort Wayne)
11. Columbus North
12. New Palestine 
13. Concord
14. Mishawaka 
15. Bishop Chatard 
16. Brebeuf Jesuit
17. Carmel
18. Fort Wayne Snider
19. Lafayette Jefferson
20. Evansville Memorial 
21. Evansville Reitz 
22. Plainfield 
23. Martinsville
24. Elkhart
25. Roncalli

I’m not sure HSE or Fishers deserve to drop after last night. Feel like Snider doesn’t belong anywhere near this list.

Edited September 21, 2024 by Footballking16

[BTF]

53 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I’m not sure HSE or Fishers deserve to drop after last night. Feel like Snider doesn’t belong anywhere near this list.

I think you meant to say "Snider doesn't belong on this list."

[Footballking16]

5 minutes ago, BTF said:

I think you meant to say "Snider doesn't belong on this list."

Yeah, nowhere near it.

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Footballking16 said:

Yeah, nowhere near it.

They played Warren to a stalemate for a half and had played the Warriors better than anyone other than BD prior to last night.

So, is Warren overrated?

[Footballking16]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

They played Warren to a stalemate for a half and had played the Warriors better than anyone other than BD prior to last night.

So, is Warren overrated?

I mean they’ve been outscored 45-6 against 6A competition. Snider is a fringe top 50 Sagarin team as it stands today for a reason. Warren has a phenomenal defense but not a state title contender given their offensive issues. They needed 2OT’s to beat the first team with a pulse they’ve played all year and that team (Ben Davis) isn’t very good to begin with.

[BTF]

5 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I mean they’ve been outscored 45-6 against 6A competition. Snider is a fringe top 50 Sagarin team as it stands today for a reason. Warren has a phenomenal defense but not a state title contender given their offensive issues. They needed 2OT’s to beat the first team with a pulse they’ve played all year and that team (Ben Davis) isn’t very good to begin with.

Here we go with Sagarin just five weeks into the season. Look, no one is saying Snider's a contender to win the 6A championship. That's only reserved for great programs like Cathedral. But you're "anywhere near" remark is, well, off the mark. 

[Footballking16]

7 minutes ago, BTF said:

Here we go with Sagarin just five weeks into the season. Look, no one is saying Snider's a contender to win the 6A championship. That's only reserved for great programs like Cathedral. But you're "anywhere near" remark is, well, off the mark. 

Midway through the season is when Sagarin starts to become more and more reliable. Sagarin suggests Snider is much closer to a top 50 team than a top 25 team. What has Snider done in your opinion to earn a top 25 ranking? 

[BTF]

13 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I mean they’ve been outscored 45-6 against 6A competition. Snider is a fringe top 50 Sagarin team as it stands today for a reason. Warren has a phenomenal defense but not a state title contender given their offensive issues. They needed 2OT’s to beat the first team with a pulse they’ve played all year and that team (Ben Davis) isn’t very good to begin with.

Furthermore, since you love Sagarin so much, East Noble is #35 and Snider hammered them. So please define "anywhere near." Look, Temp laughed the score last night, mostly because the games and scores, as he suggested, are just hard to figure out. It's hard for someone from two hours away to just "look at a score" and conclude that a team is pitiful..............which is what you're doing. A simple "Snider's too high in my opinion" would have been sufficient and made you look somewhat objective in the process. 

 

1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

Midway through the season is when Sagarin starts to become more and more reliable. Sagarin suggests Snider is much closer to a top 50 team than a top 25 team. What has Snider done in your opinion to earn a top 25 ranking? 

When did I say they were Top 25? I'm just challenging your "anywhere near" remark. 

[Footballking16]

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

Furthermore, since you love Sagarin so much, East Noble is #35 and Snider hammered them. So please define "anywhere near." Look, Temp laughed the score last night, mostly because the games and scores, as he suggested, are just hard to figure out. It's hard for someone from two hours away to just "look at a score" and conclude that a team is pitiful..............which is what you're doing. A simple "Snider's too high in my opinion" would have been sufficient and made you look somewhat objective in the process. 

 

When did I say they were Top 25? I'm just challenging your "anywhere near" remark. 

I think you’re taking my comments too literally. I’m not suggesting there’s 100 teams better than Snider. It’s all figurative. I think Snider is in the 35-40 range based on resume. 

[BTF]

1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

I think you’re taking my comments too literally. I’m not suggesting there’s 100 teams better than Snider. It’s all figurative. I think Snider is in the 35-40 range based on resume. 

Noted. 

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Snider, that poll for the most part looks pretty darn accurate. I'm really intrigued with Fishers, Concord, Mishawaka, and Brebeuf Jesuit this year. 

[BTF]

25 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Midway through the season is when Sagarin starts to become more and more reliable. Sagarin suggests Snider is much closer to a top 50 team than a top 25 team. What has Snider done in your opinion to earn a top 25 ranking? 

It just hit me, I'm seeing now why you're putting so much stock into Sagarin. 

[Footballking16]

16 minutes ago, BTF said:

It just hit me, I'm seeing now why you're putting so much stock into Sagarin. 

I think Sagarin is the most accurate predictor out there.

[Bash Riprock]

42 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Midway through the season is when Sagarin starts to become more and more reliable. Sagarin suggests Snider is much closer to a top 50 team than a top 25 team. What has Snider done in your opinion to earn a top 25 ranking? 

Sagarin doesn't factor in out of state games, correct? That is certainly a disadvantage to some schools...and an advantage to others that don't fare well in those contests. 

Not disagreeing with your comment...just wish an entire body of work could be factored in for a number of schools.

[Footballking16]

1 minute ago, Bash Riprock said:

Sagarin doesn't factor in out of state games, correct? That is certainly a disadvantage to some schools...and an advantage to others that don't fare well in those contests. 

Not disagreeing with your comment...just wish an entire body of work could be factored in for a number of schools.

Correct

[WarrenGrad12]

1 hour ago, Footballking16 said:

I mean they’ve been outscored 45-6 against 6A competition. Snider is a fringe top 50 Sagarin team as it stands today for a reason. Warren has a phenomenal defense but not a state title contender given their offensive issues. They needed 2OT’s to beat the first team with a pulse they’ve played all year and that team (Ben Davis) isn’t very good to begin with.

Last year, a struggling Warren team who couldn’t score was down to a freshman QB on the road vs a top 10 Ben Davis team.

Almost beat them. In fact, had the opportunity to do so. Ben Davis must have been overrated last year too….oh wait. 
 

Maybe something is to be said about heated rivalry games

[BTF]

2 hours ago, WarrenGrad12 said:

Maybe something is to be said about heated rivalry games

Carroll's homecoming was last night. Dinan was passed by for the Snider head coaching position several years back. It's bittersweet when he comes away with a victory. 

[BTF]

3 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

I think Sagarin is the most accurate predictor out there.

I still think there's a lot of flaws. Some teams know they can beat their opponent 60-0, but they knee the ball before halftime 10 yards away from the endzone. Ends up being a 42-14 game after the second stringers see some action. So many factors, hence so many flaws. 

[Bash Riprock]

3 hours ago, WarrenGrad12 said:

Last year, a struggling Warren team who couldn’t score was down to a freshman QB on the road vs a top 10 Ben Davis team.

Almost beat them. In fact, had the opportunity to do so. Ben Davis must have been overrated last year too….oh wait. 
 

Maybe something is to be said about heated rivalry games

Just win baby...and move on to the next week!!

Good point!

[Just a dad]

7 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

I think Sagarin is the most accurate predictor out there.

Sagarin doesn’t take into account out-of-state games. Calpreps.com does.

[Komets2727]

Sagarin sucks, nuff said

[BDGiant93]

23 hours ago, WarrenGrad12 said:

Maybe something is to be said about heated rivalry games

Yep. 

[BTF]

19 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Sagarin sucks, nuff said

It's only accurate if your team is ranked 3rd. 

[temptation]

6 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

Yep. 

Is Carroll/Snider not a “heated rivalry?”

Brownsburg/Avon?

Crown Point/Merrillville?

New Pal/Mt. Vernon?

Check the final score on those contests.

Stop making excuses for poor play.  
 

Both teams continued to step on a rake for 4 hours.

No other way to spin it.

Edited September 22, 2024 by temptation

[Footballking16]

4 hours ago, BTF said:

It's only accurate if your team is ranked 3rd. 

Lol.