IU vs Notre Dame

[Bobref]

39 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

the Irish continue the charade of playing Navy each year

You’ve demonstrated with this that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

[Bobref]

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

Two of UM's worst coaches in program history (Brady Hoke (2-1 (2-2 if you wanna give ND 2012)) and Rich Rodriguez (2-1) even beat Notre Dame.

Guess who was coaching Notre Dame when they beat Michigan in 1982. 😂🤣😅

[Boilernation]

Is there any data published that breaks down how much ND loses/gains by dropping their lucrative NBC Deal to join the B1G? 

[Bobref]

8 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

Is there any data published that breaks down how much ND loses/gains by dropping their lucrative NBC Deal to join the B1G? 

NBC holds the rights to both ND and B1G football.

“Notre Dame is expected to receive around $50 million per year from NBC, in addition to the $17 million it receives from the ACC. Notre Dame’s total compensation is slightly less than what members of the Big Ten would receive.”

https://www.ndsmcobserver.com/article/2023/11/notre-dame-extends-tv-contract-with-nbc-through-2029#:~:text=On Saturday%2C Notre Dame and,the Big Ten would receive.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Bobref

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

Guess who was coaching Notre Dame when they beat Michigan in 1982. 😂🤣😅

Uh Bob, I’m not sure who the coach of a team 42 years ago is the flex you think it is.

If you have to go back to 1982 to prove some sort of point, you’ve lost the argument.

Michigan fans used to do that type of stuff…until we WON THE NATTY 340 days ago.

Just take care of IU and win a December game for the sake of god.

Edited December 13, 2024 by temptation

[Bash Riprock]

[Shoot_The_Hands]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

BTF, ND has been ducking joining the Big 10 for years. They decided to play 5 teams in the ACC annually instead, which has been a cakewalk for the Irish. How does that make sense? Join the Big 10 and play teams in the Midwest or let’s travel South where we can play cupcakes. Then, the Irish continue the charade of playing Navy each year, MAC schools who they inexplicably lose to, and then whine when they have no chance to get a bye in the CFP. 

As far as Notre Dame finishing in the top 4 in the Big 10, maybe 2-3 times they do in a 10 year cycle, certainly not 7-8 times as you suggest. This year might have been a year where they finish in the top 4, but most years, nah. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Oregon, Washington and then the middle of the conference where teams like Iowa, Wisconsin, now possibly Indiana, USC. None of those are guaranteed wins for the Irish. We can all bash Michigan and Washington this year, but remember, those teams played for the national title last year. Both those teams will reload in the future. The ACC is a joke and that’s where ND hangs their hat…
 

It is well documented that ND tried to join the Big Ten in the past and were rejected because of, you guessed it, Michigan. 1899 they tried to join with IU and Iowa and weren't invited to the meeting. Then they tried in 1926 and a Michigan Man Fieding Yost didn't want them to join due to anti-catholicism. They tried for 2003 but I think it was for other sports and not football.  This is the main reason I think Notre Dame will never join the Big Ten. The ACC is the best bet at this point due to the other sport tie ins

[temptation]

IU at home, followed by a UGA team likely starting their backup QB, James Franklin and then a shot at whomever survives the blood bath that is the top of the bracket.

ND’s path is very negotiable…

Edited December 13, 2024 by temptation

[Bobref]

26 minutes ago, temptation said:

Uh Bob, I’m not sure who the coach of a team 42 years ago is the flex you think it is.

If you have to go back to 1982 to prove some sort of point, you’ve lost the argument.

Michigan fans used to do that type of stuff…until we WON THE NATTY 340 days ago.

Just take care of IU and win a December game for the sake of god.

The point was, I’ll see your Brady Hoke, and raise you a Gerry Faust. 🤣😂

[WolvesOnTheProwl]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

IU at home, followed by a UGA team likely starting their backup QB, James Franklin and then a shot at whomever survives the blood bath that is the top of the bracket.

ND’s path is very negotiable…

I agree and wonder what Penn State did to get such a nice path but that’s a whole other story. As a lifelong ND fan I don’t mind not being in a conference and having to play round 1, especially when we get to host a playoff game.

As for the game, I’m looking at both qbs and head coaches. QBs have to protect the ball. We know Riley Leonard can run but can he throw enough to keep that Hoosier defense honest? And probably over dramatic here but Marcus Freeman has the chance to change the narrative about Notre Dame football and winning vs the big boys and winning when it matters. I can’t say I have a ton of confidence after NIU, Marshall, Louisville but hopefully they learned from the NIU loss this season. The way his team has played after that horrendous loss says a lot about the players and coaches (also the schedule) staying focus. IU will not be intimidated and their coach will have them ready. Hope the Irish come out ready to answer   

[temptation]

44 minutes ago, Bobref said:

The point was, I’ll see your Brady Hoke, and raise you a Gerry Faust. 🤣😂

If you have to go back that far to make a point, you've lost Bob.

I said what I said. 

A Notre Dame loss in this game would be ultimate schadenfreude for so many folks.

 

[PDB26]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

If you have to go back that far to make a point, you've lost Bob.

I said what I said. 

A Notre Dame loss in this game would be ultimate schadenfreude for so many folks.

 

But Weiss, Willingham, and Davie all notched wins against Michigan, too. Reference to these three, Hoke, and Rich Rod really doesn’t make much of a point at all outside of demonstrating both programs have been laid low by making some serious errors in the not too distant past. 

[PDB26]

1 hour ago, Boilernation said:

Is there any data published that breaks down how much ND loses/gains by dropping their lucrative NBC Deal to join the B1G? 

It’s likely the new NBC deal gives ND the freedom to end their independence on their own terms, short of a the CFP doing it for them. ND left a lot of money on the table by not being in the big ten, and the I always thought they paid too steep a tax for their independence. I’m sure anyone with some knowledge of the athletic department’s finances between 2015-2020 would agree—off the record. This new arrangement puts them on a more level footing. 

[Bobref]

40 minutes ago, temptation said:

A Notre Dame loss in this game would be ultimate schadenfreude for so many folks.

On this, we are in agreement.

[PDB26]

5 hours ago, hondo17 said:

Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Oregon. 

Yeah ND isn't finishing top 4 most years. 

You know, you’re right. I forgot everyone in the 18-team big ten plays each of OSU, Michigan, PSU, and Oregon each season. Just like IU did, right?

OSU and, probably, Oregon are operating at a different level, call them 1A, but I think Notre Dame would slot right into that 1B tier of programs with Michigan and Penn State. Recruiting, facilities, name brand. That’s just the reality. 

Nothing against IU, they’ve had a great season, they’re a legit playoff team, and there’s some serious momentum behind the program that should give them a chance to really build the program up. 

[temptation]

7 minutes ago, PDB26 said:

You know, you’re right. I forgot everyone in the 18-team big ten plays each of OSU, Michigan, PSU, and Oregon each season. Just like IU did, right?

OSU and, probably, Oregon are operating at a different level, call them 1A, but I think Notre Dame would slot right into that 1B tier of programs with Michigan and Penn State. Recruiting, facilities, name brand. That’s just the reality. 

Nothing against IU, they’ve had a great season, they’re a legit playoff team, and there’s some serious momentum behind the program that should give them a chance to really build the program up. 

Tell me more about this 1B tier…

[BTF]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

A Notre Dame loss in this game would be ultimate schadenfreude for so many folks.

 

Certainly you're not suggesting that a loss to IU would somehow prove that ND wouldn't finish Top 4 in the Big Ten "most" years? It's comical that some actually think that ND isn't on the same level as Michigan, Oregon, and.............drumroll............Penn State over the last decade. The last one is pretty humorous. I'll take a back seat to the Ohio State going back ten years, but not the other three, sorry. 

[temptation]

4 minutes ago, BTF said:

Certainly you're not suggesting that a loss to IU would somehow prove that ND wouldn't finish Top 4 in the Big Ten "most" years? It's comical that some actually think that ND isn't on the same level as Michigan, Oregon, and.............drumroll............Penn State over the last decade. The last one is pretty humorous. I'll take a back seat to the Ohio State going back ten years, but not the other three, sorry. 

No, not at all.  But when you haven’t won a high level postseason game in 30+ years and when given a HOME game against INDIANA with a FIRST YEAR head coach, you have to capitalize if you are going to change the narrative.

Nothing wrong with losing to the Ohio State’s (even though I don’t remember what it feels like to lose to them), LSU’s and Bama’s of the world but when given INDIANA at home, you HAVE to capitalize.

All I am saying.

Edited December 13, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

4 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

BTF, ND has been ducking joining the Big 10 for years. They decided to play 5 teams in the ACC annually instead, which has been a cakewalk for the Irish. How does that make sense? Join the Big 10 and play teams in the Midwest or let’s travel South where we can play cupcakes. Then, the Irish continue the charade of playing Navy each year, MAC schools who they inexplicably lose to, and then whine when they have no chance to get a bye in the CFP. 

As far as Notre Dame finishing in the top 4 in the Big 10, maybe 2-3 times they do in a 10 year cycle, certainly not 7-8 times as you suggest. This year might have been a year where they finish in the top 4, but most years, nah. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Oregon, Washington and then the middle of the conference where teams like Iowa, Wisconsin, now possibly Indiana, USC. None of those are guaranteed wins for the Irish. We can all bash Michigan and Washington this year, but remember, those teams played for the national title last year. Both those teams will reload in the future. The ACC is a joke and that’s where ND hangs their hat…
 

I don't think you're up to speed as to why Notre Dame chose the ACC, but it had nothing to do with "ducking" the Big Ten. We're talking about the most iconic football program in America here. 

Notre Dame will continue their committment with Navy regardless of whether or noth the Midshipmen go on a 200 game losing streak. You do know why, correct?

Let's compromise with 5/10. No way I'm giving you 2-3. That's laughable. 

[temptation]

Just now, BTF said:

I don't think you're up to speed as to why Notre Dame chose the ACC, but it had nothing to do with "ducking" the Big Ten. We're talking about the most iconic football program in America here. 

Notre Dame will continue their committment with Navy regardless of whether or noth the Midshipmen go on a 200 game losing streak. You do know why, correct?

Let's compromise with 5/10. No way I'm giving you 2-3. That's laughable. 

“We're talking about the most iconic football program in America here.”

A highly controversial opinion here on its own.

[BTF]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

No, not at all.  But when you haven’t won a high level postseason game in 30+ years and when given a HOME game against INDIANA with a FIRST YEAR head coach, you have to capitalize if you are going to change the narrative.

Nothing wrong with losing to the Ohio State’s (even though I don’t remember what it feels like to lose to them), LSU’s and Bama’s of the world but when given INDIANA at home, you HAVE to capitalize.

All I am saying.

I'm just saying that losing to IU doesn't suggest the comical idea that Notre Dame isn't a Top 4 program in the Big Ten. That's ND derangement syndrome at it's finest. I believe that you don't believe that, just needed clarification. 

[BTF]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

“We're talking about the most iconic football program in America here.”

A highly controversial opinion here on its own.

Opinion, I agree. But they make a pretty damn good case. Let's take some geek from the state of Washington that doesn't know anything about football. 

Question 1: Which univerisity is most widely known for it's football program?

A: Notre Dame

B: Michigan

C  Alabama

He's probably going with A. 

 

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'm just saying that losing to IU doesn't suggest the comical idea that Notre Dame isn't a Top 4 program in the Big Ten. That's ND derangement syndrome at it's finest. I believe that you don't believe that, just needed clarification. 

Never said that.  I agree that they are likely top 4 though I’m not as convinced they are superior to Penn State as you are.

Look, in an 18 team league where you only play 9 conference games, someone is going to get a break.  I know I will get roasted for saying this, but in 2024 it was IU.  Last year it was Michigan.  I’ve stated repeatedly, it’s no fault of their own but it’s still a fact.

Next year they have road trips at Oregon, Iowa and Penn State for starters.  We will see how they “reload” when the rubber hits the road and the program has expectations.

You think IU is 11-1 and in the playoff with Michigan’s schedule?

vs Texas, vs Oregon, @ Washington (night), @ Illinois, @ Ohio State…

This IU team is likely 3-2 AT best in those games (and more than likely 2-3).

Just sayin.

4 minutes ago, BTF said:

Opinion, I agree. But they make a pretty damn good case. Let's take some geek from the state of Washington that doesn't know anything about football. 

Question 1: Which univerisity is most widely known for it's football program?

A: Notre Dame

B: Michigan

C  Alabama

He's probably going with A. 

 

He’s also probably a single, mid 30s liberal with wire rimmed glasses and purple hair.

Edited December 13, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

Never said that.  I agree that they are likely top 4 though I’m not as convinced they are superior to Penn State as you are.

Look, in an 18 team league where you only play 9 conference games, someone is going to get a break.  I know I will get roasted for saying this, but in 2024 it was IU.  Last year it was Michigan.  I’ve stated repeatedly, it’s no fault of their own but it’s still a fact.

Next year they have road trips at Oregon, Iowa and Penn State for starters.  We will see how they “reload” when the rubber hits the road and the program has expectations.

1. You think IU is 11-1 and in the playoff with Michigan’s schedule?

vs Texas, vs Oregon, @ Washington (night), @ Illinois, @ Ohio State…

2. This IU team is likely 3-2 AT best in those games (and more than likely 2-3).

Just sayin.

3. He’s also probably a single, mid 30s liberal with wire rimmed glasses and purple hair.

1. No

2. Agree

3. Exactly. That's my point. 

[BTF]

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

1. Never said that.  I agree that they are likely top 4 though I’m not as convinced they are superior to Penn State as you are.

2. Look, in an 18 team league where you only play 9 conference games, someone is going to get a break.  I know I will get roasted for saying this, but in 2024 it was IU.  Last year it was Michigan.  I’ve stated repeatedly, it’s no fault of their own but it’s still a fact.

1. Seriously? Franklin? Penn State? Most overrated program of the last decade.

2. No one doubts that IU was the beneficiary of an easy schedule. The committee along with any other reasonalbe fan agrees that it was the fashion in which they managed the hand they were dealt. The way they beat teams was pretty impressive. No one expected the Michigan game to be as close as it was, but now I think we all realize that Michigan is a different team now than they were in the first half of the season.