Notre Dame 2025

[gonzoron]

[Komets2727]

15 hours ago, gonzoron said:

Beat somebody then!!! Two opportunities, two losses. Rest of the schedule is yuck

[23andCounting]

8 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Beat somebody then!!! Two opportunities, two losses. Rest of the schedule is yuck

What did Notre Dame ever do to you? I'm curious.

[Komets2727]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

What did Notre Dame ever do to you? I'm curious.

Nothing, but that response avoids the question, who the Hell did they beat? When you compare scores between Arkansas and how much they lost by yo Notre Dane compared to SEC teams you have already lost. Conveniently, you leave out how much the Irish struggled against Boston College as that would further defeat your argument 

[23andCounting]

11 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Nothing, but that response avoids the question, who the Hell did they beat? When you compare scores between Arkansas and how much they lost by yo Notre Dane compared to SEC teams you have already lost. Conveniently, you leave out how much the Irish struggled against Boston College as that would further defeat your argument 

I wouldn't say I lost. Transitive property is used everyday in this business. Not only by posters on this forum, but everyone else from analysts to media types. As I said before, Notre Dame has a knack for knocking teams out of the Top 25. Pittsburgh for instance. If it weren't for the Irish, they'd be Top 25. So that's one team Notre Dame doesn't get credit for. Happens every year. Also notice that Notre Dame knocked out the Arkansas coach. Wasn't even an SEC team that did it. It was Notre Dame. I respect your opinion, but it does sound a bit biased. When guys like Nick Saban (Notre Dame should be in), and Brooks Austin of Georgia (Notre Dame is Top 3), that's not something to take lightly. 

Let me ask you this, and be honest. Is Notre Dame one of the best teams in the country? Yes or no?

[Rodney]

why

are we comparing Notre dame to Miami/Bama/Oklahoma/Osu etc.

all teams that deserve to be there

when we have direct evidence of a team that shouldn't even be considered

Tulane has lost a game by 5 touchdowns this year

to the team they are playing in the playoffs.

 

my problem is not with ND being excluded, though I believe that to be an absolute joke.

my problem is that teams with no business being included are there at ND (and Byu's) expense

 

[23andCounting]

26 minutes ago, Rodney said:

why

are we comparing Notre dame to Miami/Bama/Oklahoma/Osu etc.

all teams that deserve to be there

when we have direct evidence of a team that shouldn't even be considered

Tulane has lost a game by 5 touchdowns this year

to the team they are playing in the playoffs.

 

my problem is not with ND being excluded, though I believe that to be an absolute joke.

my problem is that teams with no business being included are there at ND (and Byu's) expense

 

The best teams should play. They need to do away with this Group of Five nonsense. If Notre Dame has to prove themselves to the committee, then so should the Group of Five. Two games that are just a waste of time. 

[Bash Riprock]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

why

are we comparing Notre dame to Miami/Bama/Oklahoma/Osu etc.

all teams that deserve to be there

when we have direct evidence of a team that shouldn't even be considered

Tulane has lost a game by 5 touchdowns this year

to the team they are playing in the playoffs.

 

my problem is not with ND being excluded, though I believe that to be an absolute joke.

my problem is that teams with no business being included are there at ND (and Byu's) expense

 

That's debateable about whether a G5 school should have a seat at the table.  If you don't allow them a chance, then let's call it the P4 tournament + 1 independent (ND).  Here's a differing perspective

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/article/jmu-tulane-and-other-g5-schools-belong-in-cfp-no-matter-what-espn-says-180654232.html

The formula allows 1 G5 school to be selected amongst the number of non-P4 conferences.  The ACC did it to themselves with their own formula allowed a 5 loss team to play for the conference championship.  Had Miami played, they would have either been in as conference champs or would have been eliminated most likely with another loss.  If Miami wins, they are an automatic qualifier, and knocks out a G5 school.  (would have had their normal 1 in the playoffs) and ND has a slot.  Conversely if Miami plays and loses, most likely they finish behind ND and ND is in.  So the ACC has to own their process.

As does ND...they not only elect to not be in a conference, but to be "half in-half out" of the ACC for football.  They play 5 games in the ACC, and it just happened that the ACC was down this year.  ND beat up on a bunch of bottom dwellers.  So their overall SOS was poor, and they lost their 2 biggest games, including Miami which put them on the wrong side of the tie breaker.  ND wins one of those 2 games, they are in.

So ND has to own their destiny and be accountable as well.  They win, they are in.  They join a conference and are successful, they are in.  (especially one of the stronger P4's)  They didn't do either, so they have to look in the mirror as well.  A 16 team tournament would eliminate this from happening, but ND needs to challenge themselves with conference membership and or playing a tougher schedule.  ND wants their cake and to eat it too....they want their own TV Network and not into sharing revenue.  OK...but that comes with risk.  This time, things didn't go their way.  

Blame the selection process, blame the ACC process...but ND has to take a long look at themselves.  They are not complete victims.

BTW before I get labeled as a ND hater, the Irish are my second favorite college football program.  I wish they were in as well.

[Footballking16]

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

why

are we comparing Notre dame to Miami/Bama/Oklahoma/Osu etc.

all teams that deserve to be there

when we have direct evidence of a team that shouldn't even be considered

Tulane has lost a game by 5 touchdowns this year

to the team they are playing in the playoffs.

 

my problem is not with ND being excluded, though I believe that to be an absolute joke.

my problem is that teams with no business being included are there at ND (and Byu's) expense

 

When the top 5 highest rated conference champions get an automatic bid (a process that all the AD’s voted for), ND does themselves a disservice by choosing to remain independent. You’re leaving it up to the committee to essentially determine if you’re one of the best remaining 7 at-large teams. When you play a weak schedule and lose to the two best teams on it, you’re playing with fire. Notre Dame played with fire and got burnt.

Edited December 13, 2025 by Footballking16

[Footballking16]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

The best teams should play. They need to do away with this Group of Five nonsense. If Notre Dame has to prove themselves to the committee, then so should the Group of Five. Two games that are just a waste of time. 

So tell 80 some teams that their season is worthless and they have nothing to play for?

Join A Damn Conference. 

[Footballking16]

5 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

I wouldn't say I lost. Transitive property is used everyday in this business. Not only by posters on this forum, but everyone else from analysts to media types. As I said before, Notre Dame has a knack for knocking teams out of the Top 25. Pittsburgh for instance. If it weren't for the Irish, they'd be Top 25. So that's one team Notre Dame doesn't get credit for. Happens every year. Also notice that Notre Dame knocked out the Arkansas coach. Wasn't even an SEC team that did it. It was Notre Dame. I respect your opinion, but it does sound a bit biased. When guys like Nick Saban (Notre Dame should be in), and Brooks Austin of Georgia (Notre Dame is Top 3), that's not something to take lightly. 

Let me ask you this, and be honest. Is Notre Dame one of the best teams in the country? Yes or no?

The system isn’t set to pit the 12 best teams against each other. It’s designed to reward the top 5 highest rated conference champions and take the 7 best at-large teams to eventually determine a champion. Whether or not Notre Dame is one of the best teams in the country is purely subjective and in this instance irrelevant.

Edited December 13, 2025 by Footballking16

[23andCounting]

7 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

The system isn’t set to pit the 12 best teams against each other. It’s designed to reward the top 5 highest rated conference champions and take the 7 best at-large teams to eventually determine a champion. Whether or not Notre Dame is one of the best teams in the country is purely subjective and in this instance irrelevant.

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[Footballking16]

4 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

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That’s what they’ll be saying about the 2025 Pop Tart Bowl for years to come.

Sad

[Komets2727]

5 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

I wouldn't say I lost. Transitive property is used everyday in this business. Not only by posters on this forum, but everyone else from analysts to media types. As I said before, Notre Dame has a knack for knocking teams out of the Top 25. Pittsburgh for instance. If it weren't for the Irish, they'd be Top 25. So that's one team Notre Dame doesn't get credit for. Happens every year. Also notice that Notre Dame knocked out the Arkansas coach. Wasn't even an SEC team that did it. It was Notre Dame. I respect your opinion, but it does sound a bit biased. When guys like Nick Saban (Notre Dame should be in), and Brooks Austin of Georgia (Notre Dame is Top 3), that's not something to take lightly. 

Let me ask you this, and be honest. Is Notre Dame one of the best teams in the country? Yes or no?

Yes, the Irish are one of the best 12 teams in the country. However, they beat one team in the top 25, USC, and are 0-2 vs. CFP teams this year. I have said they should have been in over a 3 loss Alabama team, but I can see why Bama made it in over the Irish, they have quality wins , including against CFP teams which the Irish don’t. As I previously have said many times, if they had beaten A&M or Miami this all would have been a moot point. Where you completely lose me is saying the champion will have an asterisk and be a tainted title. 💩, whoever wins will have earned it, which the Irish failed to earn a CFP invite 

Edited December 13, 2025 by Komets2727

[23andCounting]

11 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Yes, the Irish are one of the best 12 teams in the country. However, they beat one team in the top 25, USC, and are 0-2 vs. CFP teams this year. I have said they should have been in over a 3 loss Alabama team, but I can see why Bama made it in over the Irish, they have quality wins , including against CFP teams which the Irish don’t. As I previously have said many times, if they had beaten A&M or Miami this all would have been a moot point. Where you completely lose me is saying the champion will have an asterisk and be a tainted title. 💩, whoever wins will have earned it, which the Irish failed to earn a CFP invite 

I can live with this point of view. How bout this. I'll only run the asterisk into the ground if someone other than IU wins the title. 

[Rodney]

not a single one of you thinks that Tulane would put up a fighting chance against ND.

the difference between us is that even if ND was in, over say Miami, I would complain that a (12 team) tournament should have the best 12 teams playing or it is fraudulent.

 

were talking about crowning a national champion here. at the very minimum the best teams should be playing for it.

 

literally take ND out of the picture, the next 10 teams would be favored over tulane

[Footballking16]

4 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

I can live with this point of view. How bout this. I'll only run the asterisk into the ground if someone other than IU wins the title. 

You’re free to do whatever you want, just know that there have been 37 national champions since ND’s last one and will be 38 after this year regardless of your feelings.

This is EMBARRASSING behavior. Never seen anything like it.

[Rodney]

29 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

So tell 80 some teams that their season is worthless and they have nothing to play for?

yes.

30 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Join A Damn Conference. 

I agree with you, but it ain't my decision.

 

 

 

my only problem here is that I want to watch good football games, and instead of getting that I'm going to have to watch Tulane and JMU get smoked, while I could have seen Ole Miss vs ND.

 

I guess heres to hoping the 2nd time around Tulane can keep it within 3 touchdowns

[Footballking16]

4 minutes ago, Rodney said:

yes.

I agree with you, but it ain't my decision.

 

 

 

my only problem here is that I want to watch good football games, and instead of getting that I'm going to have to watch Tulane and JMU get smoked, while I could have seen Ole Miss vs ND.

 

I guess heres to hoping the 2nd time around Tulane can keep it within 3 touchdowns

Tulane earned the right to get blown out, big difference.

 

[Komets2727]

6 minutes ago, Rodney said:

yes.

I agree with you, but it ain't my decision.

 

 

 

my only problem here is that I want to watch good football games, and instead of getting that I'm going to have to watch Tulane and JMU get smoked, while I could have seen Ole Miss vs ND.

 

I guess heres to hoping the 2nd time around Tulane can keep it within 3 touchdowns

100% agree!!! Best 12 teams should make it, if JMU or Tulane keeps it within 21 points it will be a shocker 

[Rodney]

earned the right to get blown out

 

because they put a bunch of schools together and called it a conference

do we think we would consider a ND win vs south alabama quality?

what about Florida Atlantic, or Charlotte

 

no if ND played Tulane's exact schedule, with the same results you would be crucifying them (rightfully so).

[Footballking16]

7 minutes ago, Rodney said:

earned the right to get blown out

 

because they put a bunch of schools together and called it a conference

do we think we would consider a ND win vs south alabama quality?

what about Florida Atlantic, or Charlotte

 

no if ND played Tulane's exact schedule, with the same results you would be crucifying them (rightfully so).

Tulane plays in a conference, won it, and was one of the top 5 highest rated conference champions that gains them automatic admission to the playoffs. This isn’t hard. This process has been known for 2 years once they expanded the field to 12. Every AD, including Notre Dame’s, signed off on this format.

Join A Damn Conference

[23andCounting]

19 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

This is EMBARRASSING behavior. Never seen anything like it.

Lol, my feeling are hurt. 

4 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Tulane plays in a conference, won it, and was one of the top 5 highest rated conference champions that gains them automatic admission to the playoffs. This isn’t hard. This process has been known for 2 years once they expanded the field to 12. Every AD, including Notre Dame’s, signed off on this format.

Join A Damn Conference

Doesn't matter. The new deal puts Notre Dame in the field if they are ranked in the Top 12. Conference not necessary. Quit wasting your energy, they'll never join a conference. They're Notre Dame. 

[Rodney]

5 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Tulane plays in a conference, won it, and was one of the top 5 highest rated conference champions that gains them automatic admission to the playoffs. This isn’t hard. This process has been known for 2 years once they expanded the field to 12. Every AD, including Notre Dame’s, signed off on this format.

Join A Damn Conference

or instead of explaining how the system works for the 900th time while pretending your super smart and nobody else can understand it

 

we could instead push for a better system, one where the best teams play for the national championship, instead of giving participation awards to random teams.

 

does ISU get to play for the national championship next year?

[23andCounting]

21 minutes ago, Rodney said:

yes.

I couldn't agree more. There needs to be a Group of Five champion, just like there is a D1, D2, D3, and NAIA champion. The Group of Five are the only programs with NO chance to ever be called champions. So why waste two spots in the field when a legitimate title contender like Notre Dame is sitting at home. Eight million pissed off fans plus the millions out there who are objective, so that we can watch Tulane and James Madison get curb stomped.