2025 College Football Season

[temptation]

12 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

@temptation

How does that answer my question of why the NCAA vacated Notre Dame victories but not other universities for "crimes" they committed?

 

[23andCounting]

Lol, love the pics. Still doesn't answer my question. USC? Let's pick another university, leaving Michigan out of it. Why only vacate ND's victories? One of country's only programs where players can actually articulate what they are saying in postgame interviews. 

[temptation]

42 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Lol, love the pics. Still doesn't answer my question. USC? Let's pick another university, leaving Michigan out of it. Why only vacate ND's victories? One of country's only programs where players can actually articulate what they are saying in postgame interviews. 

 

[23andCounting]

Sure, Michigan is up 25-17. That's fine and all, but what does that have to do with my question?

[temptation]

34 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Sure, Michigan is up 25-17. That's fine and all, but what does that have to do with my question?

They let teams with a winning record against ND off easy?

I’ll answer your question when you answer mine.

Give me the specific competitive advantage that this supposed “massive cheating scandal” provided?

Not hyperbole.

Not emotionally based opinions.

Not trite media driven talking points.

Evidence.

[Footballking16]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

@temptation

How does that answer my question of why the NCAA vacated Notre Dame victories but not other universities for "crimes" they committed?

Because the NCAA is spineless (and powerless) in this era. 

[23andCounting]

7 hours ago, temptation said:

They let teams with a winning record against ND off easy?

I’ll answer your question when you answer mine.

Give me the specific competitive advantage that this supposed “massive cheating scandal” provided?

Not hyperbole.

Not emotionally based opinions.

Not trite media driven talking points.

Evidence.

I honestly don't care enough about the Michigan situation to follow it. So there was evidence of the Notre Dame players cheating, but no evidence of Michigan's alleged cheating? We can use a different example if you want. I just think vacating ND victories is total nonsense considering all the BS that goes on at other institutions. But hey, whatever it takes to put Ohio State ahead of Notre Dame in the all-time winningest program standings. 

[Bobref]

Well, we (once again) vanquished the enemies of our blood yesterday. More reason for Lincoln Riley to whine about playing a B1G schedule, plus Notre Dame. Maybe we should let him win a couple to preserve the rivalry. Anyway, the jeweled shillelagh is in South Bend where it belongs.

 

[temptation]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

I honestly don't care enough about the Michigan situation to follow it. So there was evidence of the Notre Dame players cheating, but no evidence of Michigan's alleged cheating? We can use a different example if you want. I just think vacating ND victories is total nonsense considering all the BS that goes on at other institutions. But hey, whatever it takes to put Ohio State ahead of Notre Dame in the all-time winningest program standings. 

Whataboutism is an ugly character trait.

You (as do others) seem to care A LOT about this for some reason as you and others have chosen to use the “2025 College Football Season” thread to discuss a two year old story.

[Bash Riprock]

9 hours ago, temptation said:

They let teams with a winning record against ND off easy?

I’ll answer your question when you answer mine.

Give me the specific competitive advantage that this supposed “massive cheating scandal” provided?

Not hyperbole.

Not emotionally based opinions.

Not trite media driven talking points.

Evidence.

The impact of UM rules violations are more than defined in the NCAA press release, which I’m sure you haven’t read and digested. 
 

Had this been Ohio State, Indiana, Notre Dame, Bama, Georgia, etc., you would never let it go about their cheating and we all know it. 
 

Again, providing the NCAA Michigan football rules violations press release. 
 

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/8/15/media-center-overwhelming-evidence-shows-impermissible-scouting-scheme-in-michigan-football-program.aspx

[Bash Riprock]

2 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

I honestly don't care enough about the Michigan situation to follow it. So there was evidence of the Notre Dame players cheating, but no evidence of Michigan's alleged cheating? We can use a different example if you want. I just think vacating ND victories is total nonsense considering all the BS that goes on at other institutions. But hey, whatever it takes to put Ohio State ahead of Notre Dame in the all-time winningest program standings. 

Wasting your breath and time. This is who you are trying to reason with using logic and fact. 
 

[gonzoron]

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

Wasting your breath and time. This is who you are trying to reason with using logic and fact. 
 

Well, except this guy has hair.

[temptation]

12 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

Lol, love the pics. Still doesn't answer my question. USC? Let's pick another university, leaving Michigan out of it. Why only vacate ND's victories? One of country's only programs where players can actually articulate what they are saying in postgame interviews. 

 

[23andCounting]

It seems widely accepted the SEC played by their own set of rules, in turn, making them most dominant football conference and a stronghold on national titles. Henceforth (Rodney's favorite word), to win, you almost HAVE to cheat. I really don't care if Harbaugh cheated or not, because quite frankly, at least half the coaches in the NCAA probably cheat. Money, ego, sports, family, God..........normally in that order. So Harbaugh is no different than 50% of head coaches nationally.  You, @temptation, think I'm here to beat you up on your Wolverines, when really I just genuinely want to know why the NCAA picked on Notre Dame by vacating 21 victories. Thought maybe someone would have an answer. I'll do my own research. What Notre Dame did seems petty compared to what other universities are doing, or in the players cases, not doing. 

My posts aren't an attack on Michigan, it's more about the attack on Notre Dame. 

2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Wasting your breath and time. This is who you are trying to reason with using logic and fact. 
 

That's not how I picture @temptation, lol.

[Komets2727]

59 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

It seems widely accepted the SEC played by their own set of rules, in turn, making them most dominant football conference and a stronghold on national titles. Henceforth (Rodney's favorite word), to win, you almost HAVE to cheat. I really don't care if Harbaugh cheated or not, because quite frankly, at least half the coaches in the NCAA probably cheat. Money, ego, sports, family, God..........normally in that order. So Harbaugh is no different than 50% of head coaches nationally.  You, @temptation, think I'm here to beat you up on your Wolverines, when really I just genuinely want to know why the NCAA picked on Notre Dame by vacating 21 victories. Thought maybe someone would have an answer. I'll do my own research. What Notre Dame did seems petty compared to what other universities are doing, or in the players cases, not doing. 

My posts aren't an attack on Michigan, it's more about the attack on Notre Dame. 

That's not how I picture @temptation, lol.

Let’s be honest here, with NIL a part of the equation, the SEC is now on an even playing field with everyone else. Zero titles since NIL for the SEC. Anyone with half a brain knew what was happening and that titles were bought. 

[temptation]

2 hours ago, gonzoron said:

Well, except this guy has hair.

And this guy has a smoking hot wife who totally thinks hair is overrated.

28 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Let’s be honest here, with NIL a part of the equation, the SEC is now on an even playing field with everyone else. Zero titles since NIL for the SEC. Anyone with half a brain knew what was happening and that titles were bought. 

And suddenly Saban walks away and Dabo is about to be out of a job.

Not a coincidence.

[23andCounting]

38 minutes ago, temptation said:

And this guy has a smoking hot wife who totally thinks hair is overrated.

And suddenly Saban walks away and Dabo is about to be out of a job.

Not a coincidence.

5'11", runners build, bald, wears glasses to read..............that's the image I have.

I've said all along that Saban is a Top 20 coach. We just don't know if he's #1 or #20. I love the level playing field that NIL has created. 

Dabo's job is on the line because................God, family, football, money, ego........in that order. 

Edited October 19, 2025 by 23andCounting

[Komets2727]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

And this guy has a smoking hot wife who totally thinks hair is overrated.

And suddenly Saban walks away and Dabo is about to be out of a job.

Not a coincidence.

Saban is/was as crooked as a $3 bill. Totally a clueless, smug ass that perpetuates his SEC love on a daily basis with his private agenda takes on the SEC network, errrr ESPN. 

Dabo is just a tired old man who is about to be to pasture by Clemson. Not sure what his problem with NIL is, that school has been playing players for years before NIL. Don’t worry, just like Big game James, he will land on his feet somewhere  where they are stupid enough to buy their schtik.

 

[gonzoron]

46 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

5'11", runners build

LOL, sure, that's the ticket!

As my friend Timmy Wallace is fond of saying "He's not very big around, but he sure is short!"

[temptation]

17 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

LOL, sure, that's the ticket!

As my friend Timmy Wallace is fond of saying "He's not very big around, but he sure is short!"

Knew for a fact this post was a lie once I read the word “friend.”

5-8, 160 and damn sexy.

[Bash Riprock]

54 minutes ago, temptation said:

Knew for a fact this post was a lie once I read the word “friend.”

5-8, 160 and damn sexy.

Harbaugh and Temp together...at an "embellished" 5'8", we definitely know which one is Temp.

[temptation]

20 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Harbaugh and Temp together...at an "embellished" 5'8", we definitely know which one is Temp.

Yawn…you really must’ve been bullied badly in high school huh?

Always straying from the subject when your feelings get hurt and someone stands up to you.

I’ve said it multiple times and despite your denial, I own so much real estate in your brain.

Edited October 19, 2025 by temptation

[Footballking16]

3 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

5'11", runners build, bald, wears glasses to read..............that's the image I have.

Is Temp Gregg Doyel?

[temptation]

18 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Is Temp Gregg Doyel?

 

19 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Is Temp Gregg Doyel?

 

[23andCounting]

3 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Is Temp Gregg Doyel?

I don't know who that guy is, but if the Indy Star is anything like the FW Journal Gazette, then I can't imagine Temp has anything in common with him.