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Dr. Anthony Fauci slams media for attempting to create "rift" between him and Trump.

He continued, "The president has listened to what I've said and to the other people who are on the task force have said. When I've made recommendations, he has taken them. He has never countered, overwritten me. The idea of just pitting one against the other is not helpful. I wish that would stop and that we'd look ahead at the challenge we have to get over this thing."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-anthony-fauci-slams-media-for-attempting-to-create-a-rift-between-him-and-trump-i-wish-that-would-stop?fbclid=IwAR0iK3j5xi9cBtPtSREfg5hS3QWE03IIOYw07v82jhdJYoaQiScQvCd0kfk

 

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1 hour ago, gonzoron said:

And he certainly did his part to prove it. The 80's sucked.

Please elaborate.  

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40 minutes ago, Howe said:

 

About 24 hours ago you were saying this about Fauci ...

 

Are you sure the President should be associated with him?

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From the video:

at the 1:34 mark: "Is it an effective treatment? We don't know that. Scattered reports from healthcare providers from across the country including in NYC today suggest that it MAY be. It is currently being prescribed in France where at least one study is saying it work." 

So, you just want to go all in on something that is yet still an unknown? Pretty ridiculous summation that the liberal media is up to something here, when in Tucker's own words, we don't know. He is correct that we should be paying attention and following what happens. I loved the wording "at ;least one study"......yeah, it's just the liberal media who spins things huh? lol

But is it fake news that people have died from taking the drug? 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-regular-covid-19-care-in-study

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"The study involved just 30 patients. Of the 15 patients given the malaria drug, 13 tested negative for the coronavirus after a week of treatment. Of the 15 patients who didn’t get hydroxychloroquine, 14 tested negative for the virus."

 

What is amusing is that you post a story with the claim of fake news from the ONLY mainstream network that was touting the hoax idea in lock step with the President. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Irishman said:

From the video:

at the 1:34 mark: "Is it an effective treatment? We don't know that. Scattered reports from healthcare providers from across the country including in NYC today suggest that it MAY be. It is currently being prescribed in France where at least one study is saying it work." 

So, you just want to go all in on something that is yet still an unknown? Pretty ridiculous summation that the liberal media is up to something here, when in Tucker's own words, we don't know. He is correct that we should be paying attention and following what happens. I loved the wording "at ;least one study"......yeah, it's just the liberal media who spins things huh? lol

But is it fake news that people have died from taking the drug? 

 

 

Who has died as a result of "taking the drug"?  I am aware of the person who consumed fish tank cleaner. However, choroquine phosphate is not a drug.

The liberal mainstream media proved they are fake news during that ridiculous Russia hoax and Mueller Dossier.

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2 hours ago, Howe said:

Who has died as a result of "taking the drug"?  I am aware of the person who consumed fish tank cleaner. However, choroquine phosphate is not a drug.

The liberal mainstream media proved they are fake news during that ridiculous Russia hoax and Mueller Dossier.

So, based on your logic, Fox News promoting this virus as a hoax makes it fake news too then, right? 

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14 minutes ago, Irishman said:

So, based on your logic, Fox News promoting this virus as a hoax makes it fake news too then, right? 

you must watch different versions of Fox News I've watched.  Seen some excellent interviews on Fox of Dr. Fauci, Surgeon General, and other MD's.  Don't remember them calling the virus a hoax.

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10 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

you must watch different versions of Fox News I've watched.  Seen some excellent interviews on Fox of Dr. Fauci, Surgeon General, and other MD's.  Don't remember them calling the virus a hoax.

Granted not all called it a hoax; Hannity led that charge; Regan is actually on leave because of her comments;  but downplaying the severity of it the way the network did was just as irresponsible. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-business-anchor-trish-regan-on-hiatus-after-calling-coronavirus-an-impeachment-scam

 

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4 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Granted not all called it a hoax; Hannity led that charge; Regan is actually on leave because of her comments;  but downplaying the severity of it the way the network did was just as irresponsible. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-business-anchor-trish-regan-on-hiatus-after-calling-coronavirus-an-impeachment-scam

 

I don't watch any news excessively....I tend to pay attention when medical professionals are on the air.....I don't disagree with your comments about FOX or anyone referring to COVID 19 as a hoax.  

That being said, is it irresponsible when MSM news sources came out and stated Trump called COVID 19 a hoax....resulting in some of those sources backtracking?  Namely the Washington Post and CNN (Jake Tapper)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/reporter-apologizes-and-deletes-tweet-claiming-trump-called-coronavirus-a-hoax

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jake-tapper-admits-trump-didnt-call-coronavirus-a-hoax-after-failing-to-correct-aocs-claim

 

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3 hours ago, Irishman said:

But is it fake news that people have died from taking the drug? 

Yes. 

I have referenced various internet search engines and have not seen a reference to any patients who died from "taking the drug".

Those who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome are easily manipulated, gullible fools. These brain dead mindless zombies refuse to apply basic common sense. They are lunatics.

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Odd they would do that. He distinctly said "this is the new hoax" when referring to it early on. I would add his repeated downplaying of it was irresponsible as well. 

It is good to see the administration taking it seriously over the last couple weeks though. 

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4 minutes ago, Howe said:

Yes. 

I have referenced various internet search engines and have not seen a reference to any patients who died from "taking the drug".

Those who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome are easily manipulated, gullible fools. These brain dead mindless zombies refuse to apply basic common sense. They are lunatics.

So, what do you cal the people that blindly follow and are easily manipulated and buy into everything Trump says? Could it also be said of them that these brainless zombies refuse to apply basic common sense?  or that they too are lunatics?  

Funny to see what you choose to address and not address in your replies. 

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3 hours ago, Irishman said:

From the video:

at the 1:34 mark: "Is it an effective treatment? We don't know that. Scattered reports from healthcare providers from across the country including in NYC today suggest that it MAY be. It is currently being prescribed in France where at least one study is saying it work." 

So, you just want to go all in on something that is yet still an unknown? Pretty ridiculous summation that the liberal media is up to something here, when in Tucker's own words, we don't know. He is correct that we should be paying attention and following what happens. I loved the wording "at ;least one study"......yeah, it's just the liberal media who spins things huh? lol

But is it fake news that people have died from taking the drug? 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-regular-covid-19-care-in-study

FTA:

"The study involved just 30 patients. Of the 15 patients given the malaria drug, 13 tested negative for the coronavirus after a week of treatment. Of the 15 patients who didn’t get hydroxychloroquine, 14 tested negative for the virus."

 

What is amusing is that you post a story with the claim of fake news from the ONLY mainstream network that was touting the hoax idea in lock step with the President. 

 

Even in the case of the French study, France's High Council of Health recommended against using hydroxychloroquine with the exception of serious forms of hospitalization. 

https://www.france24.com/en/20200324-chloroquine-can-work-some-insist-as-debate-on-using-anti-malaria-drug-against-coronavirus-rages

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At a press conference Monday, French Health Minister Olivier Véran announced that France’s High Council of Public Health had recommended not using hydroxychloroquine “in the absence of a recommendation, with the exception of serious forms of hospitalisation and on the collegial decision of doctors and under strict medical supervision”.

Véran added that the High Council of Public Health “excludes any prescription in the general population or for forms not severe at this stage, in the absence of any conclusive data”.

Following this opinion, Véran noted that in the coming hours he would issue a decree precisely framing and regulating the use of this treatment outside the traditional marketing authorisations for hydroxychloroquine, "which will be accessible to hospital medical teams who wish it", he added Monday at a press briefing.

 

 

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There are no reliable news sources, none.  They are all about clicks, hype and sensationalism.  Every last one of them.

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2 hours ago, raiderx2 said:

There are no reliable news sources, none.  They are all about clicks, hype and sensationalism.  Every last one of them.

Agreed.  www.apnews.com is the closest to an unbiased news source anymore.

 

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3.3 million seek US jobless aid, nearly 5 times earlier high: https://apnews.com/1bae3794481cc9d02fc670480cfcb800

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Nearly 3.3 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week — almost five times the previous record set in 1982 — amid a widespread economic shutdown caused by the coronavirus.

The surge in weekly applications was a stunning reflection of the damage the viral outbreak is inflicting on the economy. Filings for unemployment aid generally reflect the pace of layoffs.

Layoffs are sure to accelerate as the U.S. economy sinks into a recession. Revenue has collapsed at restaurants, hotels, movie theaters, gyms and airlines. Auto sales are plummeting, and car makers have closed factories. Most such employers face loan payments and other fixed costs, so they’re cutting jobs to save money.

As job losses mount, some economists say the nation’s unemployment rate could approach 13% by May. By comparison, the highest jobless rate during the Great Recession, which ended in 2009, was 10%.

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A recession/depression 100% caused by local, state, and federal governments.  

 

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Wake Up! Your Fears Are Being Manipulated: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/wake-up-your-fears-are-being-manipulated/

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I'm not worried about the guy coughing next to me. I’m worried about the ones who seem to be looking for Jim Jones.

Jones was the charismatic founder of the cult-like People’s Temple. Through fear-based control, he took his followers’ money and ran their lives. He isolated them in Guyana where he convinced over 900 of them to commit suicide by drinking cyanide-laced grape Kool Aid. Frightened people can be made to do anything. They just need a Jim Jones.

So it is more than a little scary that media zampolit Rick Wilson wrote to his 753,000 Twitter followers: “People who sank into their fear of Trump, who defended every outrage, who put him before what they knew was right, and pretended this chaos and corruption was a glorious new age will pay a terrible price. They deserve it.” The tweet was liked over 82,000 times.

The New York Times claims that “the specter of death speeds across the globe, ‘Appointment in Samara’-style, ever faster, culling the most vulnerable.” Others are claiming Trump will cancel the election to rule as a Jim Jones. “Every viewer who trusts the words of Earhardt or Hannity or Regan could well become a walking, breathing, droplet-spewing threat to the public,” opined the Washington Post. Drink the damn Kool Aid and join in the panic en route to Guyana.

The grocery store in Manhattan, just after the announcement of the national state of emergency, was pure panic. I saw a fight break out after an employee brought out paper towels to restock the shelf and someone grabbed the whole carton for himself. The police were called. One cop had to stay behind to oversee the lines at the registers and maintain order. To their credit, the NYPD were cool about it. I heard them talk down one of the fighters, saying, “You wanna go to jail over Fruit Loops? Get a hold of yourself.” Outside New York, sales of weapons and ammunition spiked.

Panic seems to be something we turn on and off, or moderate in different ways. Understanding that helps reveal what is really going on.

No need for history. Right now, in real time, behind the backs of the coronavirus, is the every-year, plain-old influenza. Some 12,000 people have died, with over 13 million infected from influenza just between October 2019 and February 2020. The death toll is screamingly higher (as of this writing, coronavirus has infected 60,653 and killed 819 Americans). Bluntly: more people have already died of influenza in the U.S. than from the coronavirus in China, Iran, and Italy combined. Double in fact. To be even blunter, no one really cares, even though a large number of bodies are piling up. Why?

The first cases of the swine flu, H1N1, appeared in April 2009. By the time Obama finally declared a national emergency seven months later, the CDC was reporting that 50 million Americans, one in six people, had been infected, and 10,000 Americans had died. In the early months, Obama had no HHS secretary or appointees to the department’s 19 key posts, as well as no commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, no surgeon general, no CDC director. The vacancy at the CDC was especially important because in the early days of the crisis, only they could test for the virus (sound familiar?). Yet some 66 percent of Americans thought the president was protecting them. There was no panic. Why?

Of course, Trump isn’t Obama. But if you really think it is that black and white, that one man makes that much difference in the multi-leveled response of the vast federal government, you don’t know much about bureaucracy. Most of the people who handled the swine flu are now working the coronavirus, from the rank and file at CDC, HHS, and DHS to headliners like Drs. Andrew Fauci (in government since 1968, worked ebola) and Deborah Brix (in government since 1985, prior to corona was an Obama AIDS appointee).

Maybe the most salient example is 9/11. Those who lived through it remember it well, the color threat alerts, the jihadi cells around every corner, the sense of learned/taught helplessness. The enemy could be anywhere, everywhere, and we had no way to fight back. But because the Dems and Repubs were saying the same thing, there was a patina of camaraderie to it (led by Rudy Giuliani and Mike Bloomberg, where are they now?), not discord. But the panic was still very real.

Why? We panicked when people took steps to ensure we would. We were kept calm when there was nothing to gain by spurring us to panic (the swine flu struck in the midst of the housing crisis; there was enough to worry about). After 9/11, a fearful populace not only supported everything the government wanted to do, they demanded more. Nearly everyone cheered the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and not believing the government meant you were on their side. The Patriot Act, which did away with whole swaths of the Bill of Rights, was overwhelmingly supported. There was no debate over torture, offshore penal colonies, assassinations, kidnappings, and all the little horrors. The American people counted that as competent leadership and re-elected George W. Bush. Fear was political currency.

Need a 2020 example of how to manipulate panic? Following fears of a liquid bomb, the TSA limited carry-on liquids to four ounces for years. Can’t be too careful! Yet because of corona, they just changed the limit for hand sanitizer only (which, with its alcohol content, is actually flammable, as opposed to say, shampoo) to 12 ounces. Security theater closed down alongside Broadway tonight.

False metrics are also manipulative because they make fear seem scientific. We ignore the low death rate and focus on the number of tests done. But whatever we do will never be enough, never can be enough, the same way any post-disaster aid is never delivered quick enough because the testing is not (just) about discovering the extent of the virus. For those with naughty motives, it is about creating a race we can’t win, so testing becomes proof of failure. Think about the reality of “everyone who wants one should get a test.” The U.S. has 331 million people. Testing 10 percent of them in seven days means 4,714,285 individuals a day while the other 90 percent hold their breath. Testing on demand is not realistic at this scale. Selective decision-based testing is what will work.

South Korea, held up as the master of mass testing, conducted at its peak about 20,000 a day. Only 4 percent were positive, a lot of effort for a little reassurance. Tests are valuable to pinpoint the need for social distancing, but blunt tools like mass social distancing (see China) also work. Tests do not cure the virus. You can hide the number of infections by not testing (or claim so to spur fear), but very sick people make themselves known at hospitals and actual dead bodies are hard to ignore. Tests get the press, but actual morbidity is the clearest data point.

There will be time for after-action reviews and arguments over responsibility. That time is never in the midst of things, and one should question the motives of journalists who use rare access to the president to ask questions meant largely to undermine confidence. If they succeed, we will soon turn on each other. You voted for him; that’s why we’re here now. Vote for Bernie and Trump wins and we all literally die. You bought the last toilet paper. You can afford treatment I can’t. You’re safe working from home while I have to go out. Just wait until the long-standing concept of medical triage is repackaged by the media as “privilege” and hell breaks loose in the ERs. We could end up killing each other even as the virus fades.

At the very least, we will have been conditioned to new precedents of control over personal decisions, civil life, freedom of movement and assembly, whole city lockdowns, education, and an increasing role for government and the military in health care. Teachers, don’t be surprised if less of you, and fewer classrooms, are needed in the virus-free future, in favor of more classes online. It’s almost as if someone is taking advantage of our fears for their own profits and self-interest.

There are many reasons to take prudent action. There are no good reasons for fear and panic. The fear being promoted has no rational basis compared to regular influenza and the swine flu of 2009. We have a terrifying example in 9/11 of how easily manipulated fearful people are. Remaining calm and helping others do so is a big part of what your contribution to the disaster relief could be.

That’s one way to see this. Too many right now, however, seem to be looking for Jim Jones.

Rack this commentary.

 

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4 hours ago, Irishman said:

Odd they would do that. He distinctly said "this is the new hoax" when referring to it early on. I would add his repeated downplaying of it was irresponsible as well. 

It is good to see the administration taking it seriously over the last couple weeks though. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump-and-the-new-hoax/

 

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4 hours ago, Irishman said:

So, what do you cal the people that blindly follow and are easily manipulated and buy into everything Trump says? Could it also be said of them that these brainless zombies refuse to apply basic common sense?  or that they too are lunatics?  

Funny to see what you choose to address and not address in your replies. 

I can easily flip that...what do you call people that have constant and excessive TDS so that they reject everything Trump says?  Could it also be said of them that these brainless zombies refuse to apply basic common sense?  or that they too are lunatics?  

Maybe both sides don't have to be so polar opposite. Sad part is that normal citizens act the exact same way they criticize their government for acting.  

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20 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

From Snopes:

What's True

During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False

Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.


ok.......so what was he referring to when he used the term hoax? 

 

and yes, there are zealots on both sides, I agree 100%. That was the point I was trying make in regard to Howe. He LOVES to point the finger, and call people “libtards”. The ultimate point is that the number of reasonable people here view him EXACTLY the same as the claims he repeatedly makes about those he does not agree with. 
 

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24 minutes ago, Irishman said:

From Snopes:

What's True

During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False

Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.


ok.......so what was he referring to when he used the term hoax? 

 

and yes, there are zealots on both sides, I agree 100%. That was the point I was trying make in regard to Howe. He LOVES to point the finger, and call people “libtards”. The ultimate point is that the number of reasonable people here view him EXACTLY the same as the claims he repeatedly makes about those he does not agree with. 
 

Trump clearly stated "The democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. That is their new hoax".

I doubt if "reasonable people" view me as a libtard.

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45 minutes ago, Howe said:

I doubt if "reasonable people" view me as a libtard.

You're correct. We view you as a  crackpot

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12 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

You're correct. We view you as a  crackpot

Those who refuse to apply basic common sense due their affliction with Trump Derangement Syndrome are not considered to be among "reasonable people".

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