Bash Riprock Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I was on the John Harrell site (thank you John for amazing info) at the 2020 and 2021 Center Grove seasons, in which the team went 28-0 and won consecutive class 6A state championships. Pretty interesting data. Head to Head (CG victories) Ben Davis 4-0 Warren Central 3-0 Lawrence North 3-0 Carmel 2-0 Cathedral 2-0 Westfield 2-0 North Central 2-0 Indpls Pike 2-0 Lawrence Central 2-0 Decatur Central 2-0 Columbus North 2-0 Franklin Central 1-0 Columbus East 1-0 Total 28 Wins 0 Losses 2020 - 589 points scored and 107 points given up. 42.1 points/game scored; 7.6 points/game allowed 2021 - 571 points scored and 154 points allowed. 40.8 points/game scored; 11.0 points/game allowed Total - 1160 points scored and 261 points allowed. 41.4 points/game scored; 9.3 points/game allowed Note: Both seasons were in the running clock era. Also, a number of points scored against the Trojans occurred after starters were pulled. I am not sure where that places the Trojans 2 year performance in Indiana football history, but it has to be up there among the best, especially playing in the MIC against stellar athletes and excellent coaches. I guess that is up for debate. Congrats Trojans football, Coach Eric Moore and staff for what you accomplished!! May be awhile before this type of streak is repeated. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Pretty good reason why Coach Moore was named the coach of the year for all classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Great run for the Trojans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: I was on the John Harrell site (thank you John for amazing info) at the 2020 and 2021 Center Grove seasons, in which the team went 28-0 and won consecutive class 6A state championships. Pretty interesting data. Head to Head (CG victories) Ben Davis 4-0 Warren Central 3-0 Lawrence North 3-0 Carmel 2-0 Cathedral 2-0 Westfield 2-0 North Central 2-0 Indpls Pike 2-0 Lawrence Central 2-0 Decatur Central 2-0 Columbus North 2-0 Franklin Central 1-0 Columbus East 1-0 Total 28 Wins 0 Losses 2020 - 589 points scored and 107 points given up. 42.1 points/game scored; 7.6 points/game allowed 2021 - 571 points scored and 154 points allowed. 40.8 points/game scored; 11.0 points/game allowed Total - 1160 points scored and 261 points allowed. 41.4 points/game scored; 9.3 points/game allowed Note: Both seasons were in the running clock era. Also, a number of points scored against the Trojans occurred after starters were pulled. I am not sure where that places the Trojans 2 year performance in Indiana football history, but it has to be up there among the best, especially playing in the MIC against stellar athletes and excellent coaches. I guess that is up for debate. Congrats Trojans football, Coach Eric Moore and staff for what you accomplished!! May be awhile before this type of streak is repeated. How about 42-0 after a 3 year run? Who is in position to stop them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, HHF said: How about 42-0 after a 3 year run? Who is in position to stop them? Warren central keeps being mentioned as being really young from typical years and they had a pretty decent year still. I have to imagine they are in contention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted December 8, 2021 Author Share Posted December 8, 2021 I think the MIC top 4 will all be back...but I expect LN to keep pushing forward, LC was improving significantly at the end of last season.....and NC/Pike has talent. I believe the MIC will be more balanced next year overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: I think the MIC top 4 will all be back...but I expect LN to keep pushing forward, LC was improving significantly at the end of last season.....and NC/Pike has talent. I believe the MIC will be more balanced next year overall. 1. Center Grove will reload and revert back to more reliance on its wing t with Tayven Jackson off to Tennessee. The pipeline is loaded with kids fighting for a position on the varsity. 2. Carmel - The Hounds never change. They have the same team every year, plus or minus a D1 player or 2. Despite CGs current level of dominance, Carmel has more kids currently playing at the next level. 3. Ben Davis - The Giants need to bring in a defensive specialist to assist Jason Simmons and go back to the basics and teach these kids how to tackle and cover in the secondary. BD can score with anyone and has great offensive talent. The staff has a responsibility to coach both sides of the football. They are not getting it done on defense. 4. Warren Central - The Warren team I observed in week one was disorganized, unsettled, confused and befuddled. Did Coach Kirschner get that fixed over the span of the season? Not sure. Bottom line. Talent is way, way down in this program. The rise of New Pal and Mt Vernon may be coming at the expense of Warren Central. 5. North Central - The O'Shea Era is likely winding down. It hasn't worked and it looks like things are getting worse instead of better for the Panthers. I look for Coach O'Shea to take the Tom Dilley route and head back to a PP 6. LC and LN - the two will battle it out for leadership of Lawrence Township. That is the ceiling for both programs. 8. Pike - Pike should take a run at Mike Gillin and see if he might be interested in one final stop on his Hall of Fame journey. Pike needs a new identity, a niche that separates them from the other schools in The MIC. The school has athletes, and Gillin is a QB whisperer who will seek out and find his gunslinger. A wide open long ball passing attack with Pike athletes coached by Gillin and his staff would put a scare into MIC defensive coordinators. If Gillin says no, go after Nick Hart at Gibson Southern. He is a MIC caliber coach running a 3A program. Time to see what he can do with the big boys in the big city. Edited December 9, 2021 by HHF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Fan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 11 hours ago, HHF said: 1. Center Grove will reload and revert back to more reliance on its wing t with Tayven Jackson off to Tennessee. The pipeline is loaded with kids fighting for a position on the varsity. 2. Carmel - The Hounds never change. They have the same team every year, plus or minus a D1 player or 2. Despite CGs current level of dominance, Carmel has more kids currently playing at the next level. 3. Ben Davis - The Giants need to bring in a defensive specialist to assist Jason Simmons and go back to the basics and teach these kids how to tackle and cover in the secondary. BD can score with anyone and has great offensive talent. The staff has a responsibility to coach both sides of the football. They are not getting it done on defense. 4. Warren Central - The Warren team I observed in week one was disorganized, unsettled, confused and befuddled. Did Coach Kirschner get that fixed over the span of the season? Not sure. Bottom line. Talent is way, way down in this program. The rise of New Pal and Mt Vernon may be coming at the expense of Warren Central. 5. North Central - The O'Shea Era is likely winding down. It hasn't worked and it looks like things are getting worse instead of better for the Panthers. I look for Coach O'Shea to take the Tom Dilley route and head back to a PP 6. LC and LN - the two will battle it out for leadership of Lawrence Township. That is the ceiling for both programs. 8. Pike - Pike should take a run at Mike Gillin and see if he might be interested in one final stop on his Hall of Fame journey. Pike needs a new identity, a niche that separates them from the other schools in The MIC. The school has athletes, and Gillin is a QB whisperer who will seek out and find his gunslinger. A wide open long ball passing attack with Pike athletes coached by Gillin and his staff would put a scare into MIC defensive coordinators. If Gillin says no, go after Nick Hart at Gibson Southern. He is a MIC caliber coach running a 3A program. Time to see what he can do with the big boys in the big city. I find it hard to believe Mike Gillin will leave Mooresville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Fan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Still curious as to how CG will be next year. But I am more curious on Westfield and the HCC. Any information on the HCC next year and how about Cathedral? Lots of ?'s this off season. I find it hard to believe CG will roll again and I think it can be anyone's this year for 6A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said: Still curious as to how CG will be next year. But I am more curious on Westfield and the HCC. Any information on the HCC next year and how about Cathedral? Lots of ?'s this off season. I find it hard to believe CG will roll again and I think it can be anyone's this year for 6A. Cathedral loses a ton. Believe lose 9 defensive starters and their entire OL. They do return most of their skill position players though. QB, WR, and TE I believe will all be P5 players when all said and done. DE has several P5 offers including Notre Dame. Should be ready to roll once playoffs start, in whatever class they may fall. Edited December 9, 2021 by Footballking16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said: Still curious as to how CG will be next year. But I am more curious on Westfield and the HCC. Any information on the HCC next year and how about Cathedral? Lots of ?'s this off season. I find it hard to believe CG will roll again and I think it can be anyone's this year for 6A. My take on The HCC HSE - I think this will be the next dominant team in the conference. Michael Kelly is building a well rounded team that is big and fast and was just a step behind WF this season. WF - they lose the heart and soul of their team in Hauser, Webster and Williams. Cant replace those guys overnite. Will slip a notch or two but too well coached to have an Avon type dive. BB - it will be another typical BB season. Plenty of talent. Solid regular season. Disappointing post season. AV - Must shore up the defense. Program needs a total overhaul and a new identity. Sometimes coaches are too loyal to long serving staff. Need some fresh blood NO - Coach Sharpe is committed to building his power ground game. Need some conference wins to build confidence. FI - Middle of the pack program. Need to build size and strength as they bet pushed around a lot. FC - Total mystery. Coach Ward has won big at LC and WC. Thats why FC hired him. Track record says he will continue to improve this program and the Flashes should be in contention to compete for a conf title in 2 or 3 years. ZV - Tough, rugged football team that hangs with the big dogs with 50% less enrollment. One of the top staffs in the conference. Could catch cathedral given all the losses CHS is experiencing this year. Edited December 9, 2021 by HHF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 12 hours ago, HHF said: 1. Center Grove will reload and revert back to more reliance on its wing t with Tayven Jackson off to Tennessee. The pipeline is loaded with kids fighting for a position on the varsity. 2. Carmel - The Hounds never change. They have the same team every year, plus or minus a D1 player or 2. Despite CGs current level of dominance, Carmel has more kids currently playing at the next level. 3. Ben Davis - The Giants need to bring in a defensive specialist to assist Jason Simmons and go back to the basics and teach these kids how to tackle and cover in the secondary. BD can score with anyone and has great offensive talent. The staff has a responsibility to coach both sides of the football. They are not getting it done on defense. 4. Warren Central - The Warren team I observed in week one was disorganized, unsettled, confused and befuddled. Did Coach Kirschner get that fixed over the span of the season? Not sure. Bottom line. Talent is way, way down in this program. The rise of New Pal and Mt Vernon may be coming at the expense of Warren Central. 5. North Central - The O'Shea Era is likely winding down. It hasn't worked and it looks like things are getting worse instead of better for the Panthers. I look for Coach O'Shea to take the Tom Dilley route and head back to a PP 6. LC and LN - the two will battle it out for leadership of Lawrence Township. That is the ceiling for both programs. 8. Pike - Pike should take a run at Mike Gillin and see if he might be interested in one final stop on his Hall of Fame journey. Pike needs a new identity, a niche that separates them from the other schools in The MIC. The school has athletes, and Gillin is a QB whisperer who will seek out and find his gunslinger. A wide open long ball passing attack with Pike athletes coached by Gillin and his staff would put a scare into MIC defensive coordinators. If Gillin says no, go after Nick Hart at Gibson Southern. He is a MIC caliber coach running a 3A program. Time to see what he can do with the big boys in the big city. 1. I think you will see CG back to Wing T with occasional Spread here and there like prior to Jackson. You will still see them pop into spread on occasions. @Groverprobably has better insight on the QB behind Jackson, but all of the Trojans know the Wing T like the back of their hand. 2. Carmel has plenty of players within their school, it will be interesting to see what they produce next year. 3. Ben Davis made great strides towards the end of the year. They ran into are very good CG team but they were playing some of their best football prior to that. 4. Warren Central will build, Coach Kirschner did the same at Ben Davis. It took a couple years to implement what he needed. Then he fielded a terrific team and went undefeated. I highly doubt Warren Central is losing any kids to New Pal or Mt. Vernon. 5. North Central is North Central. Right now a general season for them is 6-4, Coach O'Shea after a 3-7 season built a 9-3 season. Then followed up with back to back 6-4 seasons losing close games in Sectional to WC. This past year was his worst season 1-9, possibly a very young team. 6. LC greatly improved as the season went along Coach Patterson seems to have started to get them to buy in, next year will be the sign if they turn the corner. LN I think you may see a little bit of a drop off but Coach Mallory does a great job with the Wildcats. My questiion is when Coach Moore decides to retire will Coach Mallory be of interest by Center Grove? 8. Pike a program that really boggles me. Coach Gillin will not be leaving Mooresville, he lives in Mooresville and he will likely retire from Mooresville one day. I don't see him leaving Mooresville. Pike had a terrific Coach at one time in Coach Moyers, not sure what went south with that. Coach Ech is a good Coach, maybe he can get them turned around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, FastpacedO said: 1. I think you will see CG back to Wing T with occasional Spread here and there like prior to Jackson. You will still see them pop into spread on occasions. @Groverprobably has better insight on the QB behind Jackson, but all of the Trojans know the Wing T like the back of their hand. CG's next QB will be Tyler Cherry. He's very talented and athletic but nowhere near as athletic as Tayven. Great QB physique once he puts a few pounds on. Very good arm. Smart. Will be exceptional once he gains the confidence that only comes with experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaWrestlingGuy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Was quite a run for CG. Congrats on a great program. Couple awesome stats I learned from the Cathedral award banquet last night: 1. These Irish seniors played 16 teams that played in a state finals game between OH, IN, and KY. Their record was 12-4 with 2 losses to the Trojans. 2. Cathedral seniors have 29 academic All-state players. As for next year, we have another 42 rising juniors with the J/V squad losing to only Cincy St. X in a tight one. Obviously, we have four highly touted returners in Kendrick Gilbert (DL), Jaron Tibbs (WR1), Brennan Wooten (TE) and Danny O'Neill (QB - 37 TDs, 2 INT this season). Our defense will take a hit for sure, but our offense should be equal to this year's squad. Biggest loss will be Mr. Football kicker, Ben Gomez. He was one of our underappreciated absolute hammers all season long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Fan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, HHF said: My take on The HCC HSE - I think this will be the next dominant team in the conference. Michael Kelly is building a well rounded team that is big and fast and was just a step behind WF this season. WF - they lose the heart and soul of their team in Hauser, Webster and Williams. Cant replace those guys overnite. Will slip a notch or two but too well coached to have an Avon type dive. BB - it will be another typical BB season. Plenty of talent. Solid regular season. Disappointing post season. AV - Must shore up the defense. Program needs a total overhaul and a new identity. Sometimes coaches are too loyal to long serving staff. Need some fresh blood NO - Coach Sharpe is committed to building his power ground game. Need some conference wins to build confidence. FI - Middle of the pack program. Need to build size and strength as they bet pushed around a lot. FC - Total mystery. Coach Ward has won big at LC and WC. Thats why FC hired him. Track record says he will continue to improve this program and the Flashes should be in contention to compete for a conf title in 2 or 3 years. ZV - Tough, rugged football team that hangs with the big dogs with 50% less enrollment. One of the top staffs in the conference. Could catch cathedral given all the losses CHS is experiencing this year. I think another interesting dynamic is when the IHSAA releases what they are doing with the classes next year. If Cathedral and Zionsville move up as they should, as well with any other teams experiencing growth (Harrsion, Valpo, Jeffersonville, potentially Whiteland), who will go where in 6A? Which or if any will drop down? There will definitely have to be some movement in sectionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 57 minutes ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: Was quite a run for CG. Congrats on a great program. Couple awesome stats I learned from the Cathedral award banquet last night: 1. These Irish seniors played 16 teams that played in a state finals game between OH, IN, and KY. Their record was 12-4 with 2 losses to the Trojans. 2. Cathedral seniors have 29 academic All-state players. As for next year, we have another 42 rising juniors with the J/V squad losing to only Cincy St. X in a tight one. Obviously, we have four highly touted returners in Kendrick Gilbert (DL), Jaron Tibbs (WR1), Brennan Wooten (TE) and Danny O'Neill (QB - 37 TDs, 2 INT this season). Our defense will take a hit for sure, but our offense should be equal to this year's squad. Biggest loss will be Mr. Football kicker, Ben Gomez. He was one of our underappreciated absolute hammers all season long. I was bored last night while my spouse was watching a program that didn't grab my attention...I was thumbing through current Ivy League football rosters, checking out players from Indiana. I couldn't help noticing a number of former Cathedral players on Ivy League team rosters. Very impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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