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Roe -V- Wade......Back at it again (finally?)


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23 minutes ago, temptation said:

“Opponents argued that the amendment would set state lawmakers up to pursue a total abortion ban.“

Red/blue/purple/whatever…anyone with common sense understands that a “total abortion ban” is illogical.

Please don’t stereotype and lump people together based on political tropes and half truths.

My views are based on the way politicians are voting on the matter. I have no doubt that if the Kansas legislators had the level of control over referendums that Indiana legislators do, that this would not have been a ballot issue. That said, it should serve as a wake up call. 

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6 minutes ago, Irishman said:

My views are based on the way politicians are voting on the matter. I have no doubt that if the Kansas legislators had the level of control over referendums that Indiana legislators do, that this would not have been a ballot issue. That said, it should serve as a wake up call. 

Politics has become way too polarizing…so all or none.  They are supposed to represent the people and that is no longer the case because most people see gray area on nearly every political issue.

Another “wake up call” is how far the left has shifted and thinks that LA/NY and SF speak for the rest of the country and believe that optics on social media are real life and speak for the masses.

The real “wake up call” is coming in November.

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18 hours ago, Muda69 said:

The term “near-total abortion ban” is a misnomer intentionally applied to spark outrage.

Its not even close.

How can people be so dumb/blind?

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Indiana abortion ban goes into effect in September: What you need to know

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/indianapolis/2022/08/06/indiana-abortion-bill-ban-law/65394328007/

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Gov. Eric Holcomb signed a near total ban on abortion in Indiana Aug. 5.

Here's what you need to know:

When the ban goes into effect

The ban will go into effect on Sept. 15. The law makes Indiana the first state to pass legislation of its kind in a special session since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

How abortion is banned

The bill bans abortion at zero weeks, with narrow exceptions for rape, incest, fatal fetal abnormalities, plus the life and health of the mother.

Here are the exceptions

Victims of rape and incest have up until 10 weeks in their pregnancies to get an abortion. Abortions are also permitted when the long-term health and life of the mother are at risk, as well as for fatal fetal abnormalities.

Planned Parenthood can't offer abortions

The law terminates the licensure of abortion clinics, meaning the procedure will only be performed at hospitals and ambulatory outpatient surgical centers owned by hospitals.

Currently, 98% of abortions in Indiana take place in abortion clinics.

Last year, only six hospitals in the state performed abortions of any kind and only one of those – Deaconess Hospital in Evansville – was located outside of Indianapolis.

Planned Parenthood plans to keep open its 11 facilities would open in the state. Only four of its centers currently offer abortion procedures, while all locations offer comprehensive reproductive health care services, a Planned Parenthood official said.

Doctors can be sent to jail

It's a level 5 felony for a physician to perform an illegal abortion. That means an abortion provider could face 1 to 6 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000 under the amended bill.

There are no criminal penalties for women who receive abortions.

Increased power for attorney general was removed

The House nixed a provision the Senate wanted that would have granted the attorney general the ability to prosecute abortion and other crimes in counties in which a prosecutor refuses to prosecute.

Marion County Prosecutor Ryan Mears announced in June his office would not prosecute abortion-related cases if Republicans in the state legislature criminalized the procedure.

Instead, the House added the creation of a task force to study instances where prosecutors make "a blanket refusal" to enforce certain laws. Such abortion-related cases do not appear to be common.

Here's how the House and Senate voted

The Indiana Senate voted 26-20 on July 30. The Indiana House amended the bill and voted 62-38 on Aug. 5. The Senate voted 28-19 Aug. 5 to accept those changes and to send the bill to the governor.

Republicans in both chambers attempted to remove exceptions for rape and incest but failed.

Gov. Holcomb's reaction

Gov. Eric Holcomb announced Aug. 5 that he had signed Senate Bill 1 within an hour of its passage, capping a marathon day that saw both chambers pass the bill.

“Following the overturning of Roe, I stated clearly that I would be willing to support legislation that made progress in protecting life," Holcomb said in a statement at the time. "In my view, SEA 1 accomplishes this goal following its passage in both chambers of the Indiana General Assembly with a solid majority of support."

White House reaction

The White House condemned the legislation the day after Holcomb signed the bill into law.

In a statement to the media, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre called Indiana's ban another radical step taken by Republican lawmakers to curb women's constitutionally-protected right to abortion and to put health care decisions in the hands of politicians rather than physicians. Jean-Pierre said President Joe Biden is dedicated to protecting women's reproductive rights and, until Congress acts, will be taking action.

She did not specify what action.

The General Assembly added $75M for services

Social services programs for expectant mothers and children are wrapped into the bill. 

The bill includes:

  • $45 million to establish Hoosier Family Fund, which will distribute funds through the Department of Health and Department of Homeland Security
  • $2 million to Real Alternatives, a crisis pregnancy center
  • $10 million to expand the Nurse Family Partnership program
  • More than $5 million to the Safety PIN grant fund
  • $10 million to Child Care and Development Fund voucher program

 

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https://www.rawstory.com/south-carolina-abortion-ban/

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A South Carolina lawmaker became emotional on Tuesday after explaining that an anti-abortion law that he voted for could have resulted in the death of a young woman.

Republican state Rep. Neal Collins told South Carolina's House Judiciary Committee that he would not be voting on a banthat only has exceptions for saving the life of the mother. The bill provides no provisions for victims of rape or incest.

Collins revealed that he had sleepless nights after learning that doctors refused to extract the fetus from a 19-year-old woman whose water broke at 15 weeks of pregnancy.

Doctors told Collins there was a "greater than 50% chance that she's going to lose her uterus."

He said there was also a 10% chance that the woman could die of sepsis.

"That weighs on me," Collins remarked. "I voted for that bill. These are affecting people and we're having a meeting about this. That whole week I did not sleep."

The lawmaker's voice cracked as he explained that the woman had to wait two weeks before the fetus could be extracted without a beating heart.

"What we do matters," Collins said, pausing to collect himself. "Out of respect for the process, I'm not voting today. But I want it to be clear that myself and many others are not in a position to vote for this bill without significant changes to the bill."

At that point, the committee chair cut off Collins and asked for a vote on the bill, which the committee approved.

 

Another Magdalene Laundry...

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ACLU sues Indiana over new abortion restrictions: https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2022/08/30/aclu-sues-indiana-over-abortion-law/65463666007/ 

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The ACLU of Indiana and Planned Parenthood filed a lawsuit Tuesday challenging the state's new near total ban on abortions, which currently will go into effect Sept. 15.The lawsuit, which was filed in Monroe County Circuit Court in Bloomington, argues that Senate Bill 1 violates individual's constitutional right to privacy and equal privilege protections. Signed into law by Gov. Eric Holcomb, the bill prohibits abortions except in the case of rape or incest up to 10 weeks, the life or severe health of the mother, or fatal fetal anomalies.

"Deeply private, personal, and unique decisions about reproductive health should be made by women in consultation with their doctors," said Ken Falk, legal director of the ACLU of Indiana. "Whether Indiana elected officials personally agree with abortion access or not, it is not up to the government to make these decisions for Hoosiers.”

No Democrats voted for the bill, which was passed during a two-week special session this summer, that Holcomb initially called for a tax refund discussion.

New Indiana abortion law

Under the law, doctors who perform abortions that are deemed to be illegal could face one to six years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000.Plaintiffs in the case include Planned Parenthood of Great Northwest, Hawaii, Alaska, Indiana, Kentucky, a group which operates four out-patient clinics in Indiana that provide about half of the abortions in the state; Whole Woman's Health Alliance, which runs an abortion clinic in South Bend; Women's Med Group, which has a clinic in Indianapolis; and All-Options Inc., a pregnancy resource center based in Bloomington. Under the new law, abortions can only be performed in hospitals. If the new law is allowed to go into effect, officials at many of the clinics where abortions are currently performed expect to cease operations. In 2021 more than 95% of the more than 8,400 abortions performed occurred in one of these outpatient clinics, according to the Indiana Department of Health's annual report on pregnancy terminations.

"Unlike Indiana politicians, our physicians are dedicated to the welfare of our patients, meeting them where they are with compassion and respect," said Dr. Martin Haskell, medical director at Women's Med Group in a statement.  "Without a court order, we will no longer be able to provide this essential care to our patients.  That is simply unacceptable.”   The suit names as defendants the state's Medical Licensing Board and prosecutors in seven counties that currently have clinics where abortions are performed, including Hendricks, Lake, Marion, Monroe, St. Joseph, Tippecanoe, and Warrick counties.State officials could not be reached immediately for comment.

As states around the country take steps to restrict abortion, local ACLU chapters have filed suits to block those new laws. While abortion remains banned in Kentucky for now, in November the Kentucky Supreme Court is scheduled to start hearing arguments in a case the ACLU brought, saying abortion bans violate right to privacy, bodily autonomy and self determination. In West Virginia, abortion remains legal for now, as the ACLU is in the midst of a suit to prevent a 19th Century law from going into effect to ban it.

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And into the legal morass we go.

 

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"Abortion can help your wallet"  - (Stacey Abrams)  So this is what happens when Democrats, bolstered by a sycophantic media, hangs their collective campaigns on the abortion issue to defeat Republicans, but then find out that a VAST majority of voters (according to the latest polls) are more concerned about the economic issues (ie - inflation) that this administration has caused....."It's easier to feed your kids if you kill a few of them"  

https://nypost.com/2022/10/19/stacey-abrams-suggests-abortion-can-help-voters-wallet-amid-inflation/

Georgia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams shocked political observers by saying Wednesday that abortion is “an economic issue” — as surveys suggest more American voters are concerned about rising inflation than the overturn of Roe v. Wade.

“Having children is why you’re worried about your price for gas … [and] how much food costs,” Abrams told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

“For women, this is not a reproductive issue,” she added. “You can’t divorce being forced to carry out an unwanted pregnancy from the economic realities of having a child.”

“Women — half the population — especially those of childbearing age, they understand that having a child is absolutely an economic issue,” Abrams went on. “It is only politicians who see it as simply another cultural conversation. It is a real biological and economic imperative conversation that women need to have.”

Abrams’ comments, part of an ongoing push by Democrats to refocus attention on abortion rights, were ripped by conservative critics.

“I didn’t really expect Democrats to go with ‘you know, it’s cheaper to feed your family if you kill a few of them’ as a closing argument, yet here we are,” remarked National Review writer Dan McLaughlin.

 

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1 hour ago, swordfish said:

"Abortion can help your wallet"  - (Stacey Abrams)  So this is what happens when Democrats, bolstered by a sycophantic media, hangs their collective campaigns on the abortion issue to defeat Republicans, but then find out that a VAST majority of voters (according to the latest polls) are more concerned about the economic issues (ie - inflation) that this administration has caused....."It's easier to feed your kids if you kill a few of them"  

https://nypost.com/2022/10/19/stacey-abrams-suggests-abortion-can-help-voters-wallet-amid-inflation/

Georgia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams shocked political observers by saying Wednesday that abortion is “an economic issue” — as surveys suggest more American voters are concerned about rising inflation than the overturn of Roe v. Wade.

“Having children is why you’re worried about your price for gas … [and] how much food costs,” Abrams told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

“For women, this is not a reproductive issue,” she added. “You can’t divorce being forced to carry out an unwanted pregnancy from the economic realities of having a child.”

“Women — half the population — especially those of childbearing age, they understand that having a child is absolutely an economic issue,” Abrams went on. “It is only politicians who see it as simply another cultural conversation. It is a real biological and economic imperative conversation that women need to have.”

Abrams’ comments, part of an ongoing push by Democrats to refocus attention on abortion rights, were ripped by conservative critics.

“I didn’t really expect Democrats to go with ‘you know, it’s cheaper to feed your family if you kill a few of them’ as a closing argument, yet here we are,” remarked National Review writer Dan McLaughlin.

 

I don’t care where you’re at in the abortion debate, read Abrams’ words very carefully, she’s talking about stopping a beating heart. 

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