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5 minutes ago, US31 said:

Don’t assume I think it’s a bad thing at all….but I think it’s hypocritical to claim you are serving both goals.

I would agree that maintaining the integrity of an academic institution and winning a national championship don't go hand in hand. But they've proved they can play in a big payout game and still hold onto their academic reputation. 

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2 hours ago, BTF said:

I'm actually good with a bunch of kids who can coherently answer a question in the post game interviews. And Freeman did ink twenty 4-star players. Smart kid + 4-star athlete = playoff opportunity/big payout game. I'm not sure Notre Dame is willing to lower their standard to win the whole thing. They still consider themselves an academic university. After all, it is college. 

They will never do that.

1 hour ago, US31 said:

Don’t assume I think it’s a bad thing at all….but I think it’s hypocritical to claim you are serving both goals.

“A man’s reach should exceed his grasp … or what’s a heaven for?”

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2 hours ago, BTF said:

Figuring out how to replace Tommy Rees is small potatoes compared to the dilemma of replacing Harry Hiestand.

If the Irish do land Andy Ludwig, then the joke is on Alabama. 

I would have to agree wholeheartedly.  Harry is a rock, but it's sort of strange that he waited so long to make the decision to retire.  I'm sure he has good reasons, and wanting to watch his kids play is a legitimate reason for his retirement.  I wish him good luck and also hope the Irish can find an adequate replacement.  I'm sure they will.

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8 hours ago, BTF said:

Figuring out how to replace Tommy Rees is small potatoes compared to the dilemma of replacing Harry Hiestand.

If the Irish do land Andy Ludwig, then the joke is on Alabama. 

Ludwig says no thanks…getting a bit comical at this point.

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9 hours ago, temptation said:

Ludwig says no thanks…getting a bit comical at this point.

I thought I heard that Rees made 2.5m last year as NDs OC. Ludwig can’t or won’t come because of his buyout from Utah.  So, and maybe i understand this wrong, the Irish are late to the NIL game and won’t pony up for assistant coaches. Not a great recipe for success in this day and age.  
 

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FYI (and was curious) but I just read Ludwig’s buyout is 2.8 million from Utah.  Guess it’s ok to pay Charlie Weis to stay away for 10 years or whatever it was but not pay that one lump sum to get the guy you wanted to run the current offense. A bit frustrating to say the least and more importantly where do they turn now? 

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13 hours ago, temptation said:

Ludwig says no thanks…getting a bit comical at this point.

What about sports isn't comical anymore?

Just now, BTF said:

What about sports isn't comical anymore?

I retract. There is still some purity left in high school game. The next two levels become a clown show. 

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2 hours ago, BTF said:

What about sports isn't comical anymore?

I retract. There is still some purity left in high school game. The next two levels become a clown show. 

Just comical from afar and without a dog in the fight that it’s taken this long for ND to get their guy.

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2 hours ago, temptation said:

Just comical from afar and without a dog in the fight that it’s taken this long for ND to get their guy.

People like to find a reason to pick on the Irish. They'll find someone. Still one of the Top 10 jobs in the country. 

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15 minutes ago, BTF said:

People like to find a reason to pick on the Irish. They'll find someone. Still one of the Top 10 jobs in the country. 

Furthermore, none of this has impacted incoming recruits, notably Sam Hartman and CJ Carr. Kids seem to be drawn to Marcus Freeman. Future looks bright. 

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Turns out Andy Ludwig accepted the position, then ND refused to pay the 2.8m buyout. So the laughable part (Temp)? It's not that high profile coaches don't want the position, as you were suggesting. It's that ND is refusing to pay what it takes to get them there. Are coordinators a dime a dozen? Only as good as their head coach allows them to be? Maybe that's what the ND administration thinks. Maybe ND's recent success had more to do with having arguably the best coach in the country stick around for a decade and not necessarily the idea that they are a strong program like they were pre 90's. I guess we'll find out how good of a coach Freeman is now. 

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3 hours ago, BTF said:

Turns out Andy Ludwig accepted the position, then ND refused to pay the 2.8m buyout. So the laughable part (Temp)? It's not that high profile coaches don't want the position, as you were suggesting. It's that ND is refusing to pay what it takes to get them there. Are coordinators a dime a dozen? Only as good as their head coach allows them to be? Maybe that's what the ND administration thinks. Maybe ND's recent success had more to do with having arguably the best coach in the country stick around for a decade and not necessarily the idea that they are a strong program like they were pre 90's. I guess we'll find out how good of a coach Freeman is now. 

Yikes.  I can relate.

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49 minutes ago, BTF said:

Good coaches seem to maintain success regardless of who their coordinators are. Agree or disagree? 

Agree for the most part.  But to not make money consistent with the market AND have tighter recruiting restrictions, I am not so sure the job is desirable as you think.

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49 minutes ago, temptation said:

Agree for the most part.  But to not make money consistent with the market AND have tighter recruiting restrictions, I am not so sure the job is desirable as you think.

If best recruits + highest pay = most desirable job, then yeah, Notre Dame probably ranks somewhere around 10-15. But that's just 75% of the coaches out there. The other 25% percent might look at other things, like the moral integrity of a program. 

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2 hours ago, BTF said:

If best recruits + highest pay = most desirable job, then yeah, Notre Dame probably ranks somewhere around 10-15. But that's just 75% of the coaches out there. The other 25% percent might look at other things, like the moral integrity of a program. 

Yeah, I got a wake up call in the late 2000s/early 2010s about how desirable my favorite programs head coaching job was.

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