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State baseball tourney just concluded - 3 of the 4 state championships won by private schools...ridiculous. 6 of the 8 teams in the state finals were privates, yet private schools compose a little less than 20% of the TOTAL high schools in Indiana. Privates are playing with a different deck of cards. If you think otherwise, please continue to keep your heads buried.

Can’t wait till Cathedral wins 6A. Ensuing days ought to be fun.

And yet here we are. Deja vu all over again.

My thoughts.....for years being opposed to the multiplier idea, I tracked season records in each class. This was about a 5 year period in the early days of this site. What I found was that half the teams in each class had 4 wins or less. About 10 in each class had 2 or less. My concern is we could possibly relegate so many teams that 1A and maybe 2A is full of them, while 5A and 6A are full of successful teams; to the point you could see 4A and maybe even 5A teams in those relegated classes. I think if that happens, you would see school size being a factor across the board.

OK, we gotta give folks time to at least get home before having to run back to the stadium to pick up the kids. We had gotten used to dropping the kids off at the football game, then going to eat, then going to pick the kids up after dinner. I recall the first time that Jeff hit that mercy rule with someone. We'd just ordered and the kids texted and said, "Second half just started and they said something about a running clock." My wife asked what that was and I said, "We've got 24 minutes to have Applebee's cook it, we eat it, and we get back to Jeff before the kids start lighting up the chat with 'Where are you?" If we go to first half, we won't have time to make it through the Taco Bell line on some games. 🙂

I agree it sounds logical and makes sense that if you have one, you should have the balance ... I'm just not sure if you put it to a vote of the membership, there would be many takers. And the fact that there's logic involved makes it now questionable 1) if the IHSAA would consider it in the first place and 2) if they did, how they could make the SF look like the Golden Rule in contrast ... a relative Midas Touch they sometimes have.

I stand corrected, and recognize @Muda69for suggesting this prior.....

@Muda69 has brought up relegation for several years now. It's an interesting idea in combination with the success factor.

I don't think it's all that silly or illogical. I've often thought the same thing ... that there's something more than an arbitrary 300-mile rule and that there was something else tied to it. If the discussions concerning haves/have-nots WITHIN conferences, regions, classes, holds then an open-travel policy would seem to exacerbate that for the tournament. I wonder, if you plot that 300-mile radius, what does it provide in the way of average-/large-metro access. I did a quick set of 300-mile radius circles using Evanasville, Gary, Terre Haute, Ft. Wayne, and Lawrenceburg as surrogates for end-points of the state. Here's the link to the tool if you want to play around with it further: https://www.mapdevelopers.com/draw-circle-tool.php. It tends to provide relative access to the Midwest. One other interesting thing that I noticed in this is that it tends to be, with the exception of Kentucky/Tennessee and some parts of Missouri, focused on Big Ten country. Of course, it would be more questioning to have something that excluded Kentucky being on the border, but 300-miles seems to be somewhat conducive to showcasing in front of the heart of the Big Ten ... at least geographically ... without making it overtly obvious ... and just biting the bullet that a couple of SEC states might get a look. Might be as silly/illogical, but folks have done stranger things for a lot less.

Shouldn't success factor, if done better/correctly, be doing this? If so, then you don't need a multiplier for just p/p. If the idea is truly fairness, then it makes sense to spend some time and find the REAL issue tied to imbalance and address it as opposed to just using easy surrogate items like p/p. Faith Christian is a p/p and, though they are now IHSAA, I can pretty much assure you that they are not "stealing" anyone right to get a blue ring ... in anything. We also already know that p/p doesn't equate to automatic advantages ... we already had an Orwellian thread a while back that ran alongside the many-times-annually-p/p-Dead-Horse-Athon about how Noll should just hang it up in football. Faith never had football and probably never will ... and it's not due to the fact that they are a baseball/basketball/*fill-in-the-blank* powerhouse and have just chosen to exploit their neighboring public school victims in that "power sport." Ultimately, I like the idea of success factor rather than multipliers because it treats all on the basis of PROVEN advantage or PROVEN outcome as opposed to conjecture. Frankly, if we are being really honest, we should be able to look at the contents of the unmarked box and determine if there an true impact on the balance. Ultimately, I think that comes in the performance. Yes, SF is flawed and doesn't adequately do that right now, but put a four year window on it and a couple of other tweaks, and I think we are closer to making it more pragmatic than punitive.

Tell me you don’t know the difference between a parochial school and an independently run private school without telling me you don’t know the difference between a parochial school and an independently run private school. Top 1 percentile.

It’s a joke I really wish we’d get some leadership from the public schools and force the private schools out.

$/SES/nuclear households give P/P’s an edge…end of thread.

The top twelve state championship leaders are as follows, no particular order. Privates: Chatard, Cathedral, Luers, Roncalli, LCC, & Ritter Public: Carmel, Ben Davis, Sheridan, Warren Central, & Penn. Sheridan won most of their championships in 1a without a strong presence of a private school. The other are all in the top half of enrollment of the largest class, something even the privates can't compete with. Maybe it's just coincidence. Maybe private schools and large enrollment schools just work harder than their counterparts. But I doubt it. The evidence is right there in front of you. If you or anyone else on this forum can't see it, then there's nothing I can really do to help you.

Predictably, not everyone agrees with you. https://www.on3.com/college/texas-longhorns/news/david-pierce-critique-replay-call-from-game-1-loss-vs-notre-dame-texas-longhorns-baseball-mens-college-world-series-cws-review/

Liptons used to be good for 5 pages for a scrimmage, I swear to God they did.

Wasted band width on rehashed subject, IMO.

Yes, assistant role....they are glad to have him back. Guy at work from Ferdinand (Forest Park) told me today, with a wink, that Bob Clayton was applying for the Forest Park job. LOL....I told him if that happened FP would probably decide they couldn't play football anymore. Not sure kids today would handle getting kicked in the rear (physically HARD!) when they didn't get off the ball fast enough or having a clipboard broken over their head. But hey, don't knock it, such things make great football teams. BTW....saw Coach Clayton last Friday night at the Chateau....looks pretty good for an old guy. Wasn't terrifying at all....

The travel rule is silly, but it's really silly that you can't host someone further than 600 miles round trip from out of state. --- Our band and choir students raise an awful lot of money to go on their trips and excursions. They sell the heck out of fundraiser stuff. My rule is that I always buy, but it has to be the first person to get to me.