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For decades I've thought the NLC is holding Warsaw back in most sports (mainly Football)....but I've never gotten the vibe they actually WANT to leave the NLC. Anyone with insight see it differently? For clarity, when I say "they" I don't mean Coach Curtis. I mean the community and school administrators.

my comment was made in jest…. Not taking anything personal…I don’t know the kid…and you’ve seen him play more than I have. Just rubs me the wrong way when we don’t appreciate the full depth and breadth of high school football, of which the option offense is alive and well. if you can’t take a joke, and have to accuse someone making a joke of “taking it too personal”….you need to look in the mirror my friend

So option QB's aren't quarterbacks anymore??? I didn't realize that rule had been changed....what would you call the kid that takes the snap from center and then makes all of the decisions that distribute the ball to his teammates in an effort to matriculate the ball down the field an score on the opponents defense? Whatever you call him....seems this kid did that pretty well

If you keep looking back you’ll see it wasn’t too long ago Goshen was playing Lake Central, St Joe, FTW Carroll, Mishawaka, Elkhart Central, etc for noncon’s. Those were respectable matchups….New Prairie feels like that. FF does not.

Coaching hires and coaches on staff in building would be my primary barometer for "support". How easy is it for you to get the people you want on staff into the building? Is your athletic department on board with growing your program? Or is it still scheduling you to play small schools out of "tradition"?

Goshen is not the same city it was 20 years ago. Not even close. NW, NR, FF all have a lot of former "Goshen" families walking their halls. I don't know how many of them are football families but a few of them are. There is a subdivision in FF that is made up of a significant amount of former "Goshen" families. Need a large amount of admin emphasis to overcome this.....from what I understand it just isn't there.

Did Goshen get kicked out????😄

Cool data. A little deceiving though because NLC does not break ties....I know one of the years in the 90's (92?), NW-GSH-WAR all tied....they each beat one of the others. So some of these should have two or three teams ranked #1.

Not having an NFHS book around....can you tell us how this is defined? Thanks Bob👍

And you were enormous enrollment wise compared to most other schools in the state (save some MIC schools). Now you fit right in the middle of some HCC schools and are much smaller than Carmel, BD. Other “North” schools have closed the gap considerably

Again….my quote was referring to the many other sports that AREN’T football.

For the record...any SF discussion I particpate in is supposed to begin with DON'T FORGET ABOUT WEBO!!! 🤪 My issue with 1A is you could very well end up with a yo-yo situation of P/Ps moving up and down "taking turns" in 1A. Lutheran, LCC, CC... Shrinking 1A down to 32 would bump some of these schools up to 2A. I don't think its unrealistic to move any other P/P up into the 33-?? 2A.

I would reiterate, I think that should only happen if we shrink 1A to smallest 32.

While I am personally in favor of the following: a 4 year minimum, "rolling" SF. 1a should be smallest 32, 6a biggest 32. Divide rest evenly by 4. No P/P in single A class of 32 smallest. I would also piggy back on your comment above and add that (IMHO) no program should be SF'd up unless they have points AND a state title. Something just doesn't seem right about SF if you are moving programs that have not actually won a title. I maybe wrong about that...but its how I feel.

Clearinghouse method was basically a system where you only count the number of kids that participate in ANY extracurricular activities. This wouldn't be difficult to do...most schools have some form of "Code of Conduct" that students have to sign in order to participate in any extracurricular (sports, band, etc), so the data isn't gonna be hard to grab. This number would be use for classificaiton, not the DOE "enrollement" number. This does a more accurate job of classifying based upon the size of the "participant" population in the school....and it doesn't matter if that school is public, P/P, charter, Hogwarts, etc The real enrollement disarity the P/P's enjoy is they don't have the (please forgive me for using this term....its the best descriptor, I can think of) "dead weight" part of the student body. They have no mandatory enrollees. ALL public schools have kids they HAVE to enroll by law. These kids may contribute nothing to the school in terms of extracurricular participation (for a variety of reasons), but they are still counted in enrollement. Now what that percentage of "never gonna participate in anything" enrollee's actually calculates to will vary a LOT. At Zionsville, Cathedral, University, West Lafayette....its probably a small percentage of the overall student body. At IPS, South Bend Schools, etc...its probably a LARGE percentage.

Not if its a "rolling" 4 year cycle. The year they acrue enough points they would bump up the next season.

Not to dig up any old dead horses...but these so called academics need to take statistics 101 again....As has been pointed out ad naseum....The advantage in P/P demographics is not who they count.....but who they NEVER have to count. The fact this went unstated in the article is due to one of more of the following: Poor quoting of the researchers statements from the Indystar. Ignorance of the researchers on the issues relavent to their study Some type of bias in study's collection methods. A "clearinghouse" method of counting students would account for this, and may have possibly precluded any need for SF.

All I'm saying is that whatever problems exist with current NIC schools....those problems are not the current NLC schools' to solve. At no point am I "mad" about anything. I'm just trying to point out the reality of how these decisions are made, and all of these schools should be welcome to make the best decisions for their own student athletes. Sometimes those best interests are common to other schools...sometimes they aren't.

Why should the NLC blow up their conference to help SB area schools???? This would be stupid for Ply/Waw/NR/NW. Say bye bye to a large amount of your athletic gate, and quite a few of your JV/Frosh contests in a lot of sports. Several MUCH smaller athletic programs want nothing to do with the SB schools for those exact reasons. Why should 4A NLC schools want to hitch themselves to those SB schools???? You could argue that the NLC is holding back Warsaw, but they have a much better situation in the NLC than they would in a South Bend/Elkhart conference.

Been several years since I've had an oppourtunity to talk to Coach James...but spent MANY summers working Belden Line Camp with Coach James back in the day. He is one of the good ones, and there wasn't just a little bit of knowledge I absorbed from him....both X&O's and just how to coach kids. Best of Luck Coach!!

From the Star article, they mention "safety"...apparently too many injuries are occuring during rebounds after free throws. Eliminating that occasional extra rebound is "safer" Total clown explanation

I beleive all HCC teams are only non-con weeks 1 & 2. Penn is a nice fit in the HCC in terms of school size, demographics, etc. Just not too close. Would be nice to see them schedule some HCC teams.

Penn to the NLC does nothing for Penn on the big stage. Is it better than current NIC situation....yes. Is playing Northwood, Northridge, Goshen, & Concord preparing you to beat the best schools in the Region, FW, and Indy...emphatically No. Go Indendent, and I'm sure with in a year or so you could schedule Mishawaka, Warsaw, Elkhart, and a couple DAC schools, along with your marquee matchups with Carmel, Cathedrawl, Brother Rice, etc. It seems like you could get CG on a schedule too. Penn to the NLC makes zero sense for the NLC or Penn.

Does TV not have a JV?

Did Clay have a JV and/or Frosh team last year? If not, then I can completley understand a school dropping them. Why schedule a team that would not allow your own JV and Frosh to have a game that week?