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I'll just say that no one down here expects GS to take any steps backwards. They have PLENTY of good football players that have just been waiting their turn for Friday nights. (And if not, well this would be the time to insert a transfer joke, but I ain't gonna. Turning over new leaf this year) From the outside looking one might think losing a D1 arm would bring them back to the pack so-to-speak, but us PAC folk know better.

Wow - good work there Coach. It is obvious you put a lot of time and thought into the above proposal. And, it makes a lot of sense geographically. I obviously can't speak for the IHSAA obviously - but perhaps they (the IHSAA) were focused more on "competitive balance" in different sectionals than based solely on geography? Not saying right or wrong either way and not intended to put down any programs- but maybe that's the angle they were trying for?

I understand that we were moving up because of enrollment - but when that was "still in the air" - it was communicated that we would be staying up because of SF. In fact, believe it was you crimsonace1 that said as much. So why the change?

I was under the impression that Pioneer and Southridge were in the same boat in regards to SF points? (Both winning a regional in 2020 and nothing in 2021). We were told, regardless of what happened with our enrollment, that we were remaining up due to SF. Guess they changed their mind?

This right here. Some can manage - but the days of a core classroom teacher (excluding PE here) meeting the demands of both classroom and coaching expectations is being more rare and rare. Successful (football) schools have countered by "creating" non-classroom positions for Head coaches that allow more time for the prep work of a head coach. Maybe just end the charade and make it like Texas.

Aren't Batesville, Rushville, and Greensburg all in Sectional 31 currently? And in the EIAC??

Can someone smarter than me take a shot at Southern 3A sectionals with the new enrollment numbers? Seems to be way spaced out geographically. In Sect. 30 - you had Edgewood, Brown County, and Sullivan all move out. So need 3 teams there... In Sect. 31- Brownstown left (seems like Salem would be an easy replacement there) In Sect. 32- Evansville Bosse got moved out, and if Salem slides to 31, that's 2 that will need replaced.

You mean in addition to the one who already transferred in?!? Houses must be dirt cheap over in Gibson County. Gonna have to talk with my wife about taking a peak that way! Who are Memorial's new additions this year?? Did both RB's graduate from last year?? Is this what high school sports are going to become - the transfer portals?!? I guess if colleges can do it, why shouldn't we??

Ya - seems all the SF mumble jumble jocking was a moot point after all. I didn't think the 517 number would be enough to keep us in 3A , seeing as how we were actually larger in our 2017 State Championship year (2A)- but I guess that's how the numbers played out. Now, for the IHSAA sectional alignments to play out. (Please fix sectional 30!)

Sectional maps, spreadsheets, etc.... Who died and made you "Classification expert!?!?" -I kid I kid....at least someone is trying to come up with something that makes sense. I still find it hard to believe that a 517 number places us in the 3A enrollment, when in years past we've been up in the 530s and still been 2A. Oh well, time to get to work.

🤔. Hmmmm ?????

Exactly- I guess someone had to fall on the sword. While LCC and Chatard get to move back down (maybe) That makes a ton of sense. And you're more than likely right about enrollment- but at 517 would have liked one last go around in 2A instead of an extra SF year. -

Granted, I'm not a smart guy, so I'll try and lay this out (football years listed) 17- Won State 18- Semi-State appearance 19&20 - bumped up due to SF 19- sectional loss (no points) 20- semi-state appearance 21&22 - stay up due to semi-state appearance 21- sectional loss 22- ?? 23 - ?? So, as stated previously - that is a 3 year stay based on the SF?

I was under the impression the SF was a 2 year cycle- but I get blasted every time I try and point out SR/Pioneer could potentially get 3 years under this decision.

Correct- and to my understanding - the SF is suppose to be a 2 year window, correct? SO, if SR does not accumulate any SF points in the upcoming football season, we can move back down for the 23 season? Potentially, SR/Pioneer get 3 years stays without accumlating any SF points, and Chatard/LCC get 1 year passes? Got it- makes a ton of sense.

So Pioneer and SR are the public school sacrificial lambs in this scenario?? And from what I'm reading, Chatard and LCC get a move down? Ya- this whole thing makes a ton of sense. Bravo IHSAA, bravo

Was watching the broadcast Saturday night and I thought they said he did, I must have heard wrong.

I'm sure it's been said previously in this thread - but people discouraging athletes from competing in other sports are just flat missing the boat, IMO. Did anyone actually answer the original question of this thread?? I believe someone said the HWT State Champ played football. Assuming the 220 did as well. I know the MD 170 played...not sure on the 195 (?)

You're right - my apologies. Just a frustrating situation that I feel like is getting kind of "glossed" over cause well, it doesn't affect that many people (schools) it seems. Is our situation really that unique??

So you're OK with a school (Southridge) being given an "extra" success factor year, just because the IHSAA says so?? And essentially the State Champs this year given an "extra" year to not move up? Of course you are, because it generally benefits your situation. Ours, not so much. In the end it doesn't matter - the IHSAA will do whatever is easiest for them and causes the least ruffles. I've tried contacting and reaching out and essentially it's "Sorry, you (Southridge) are just a casualty and will cause the least amount of ruffles" - it is just too bad for our kids.

The IHSAA's decision on how to handle the COVID year and "screws" it will put to some programs (ours being one). I don't even know really where to start - but I'll just use our case as an example : Won State in 2017, went to semi-state 2018. Got bumped up to 3A as a result. 2019 beat in 3A sectional...2020 3A semi-state (enough points to keep us up for another 2 year cycle) So (using football years here) 2021 season beat in 3A sectional...2022 SHOULD potentially be our last in 3A based on enrollment figures just released, which would put us back in 2A. HOWEVER - the IHSAA decides...well, we're just gonna wait till 2023 to put everyone back on the same page, sorry about your luck?? So the success factor was suppose to be a 2 year cycle, but we're just the lucky ones to potentially get an extra year?? So essentially the State Champs this year get a free pass as well?? I know there wasn't a great way to handle the COVID year, but I think I could have come up with a better solution. Why not just have a "rolling" 2 year count...what is so hard with that?? It would keep teams from catching the "lucky" side of the window or whatever you want to call it. I know, first world problems....just bored on these snow days

We would be in this same boat as well (well, actually making it 5 years of SF for us)

So what are the IHSAA options regarding classification and alignment after freezing last year due to COVID?? Option #1 (and probably the easiest) - wipe the slate completely clean for everyone, success factor and all - and just put schools in classes based on enrollments? (Meaning this years State Champions get a free pass) Option #2 - last year's enrollments were frozen, but success factor points were not. So you vote to try and keep everyone success factor'd on the same schedule, meaning some schools will possibly be punished with a 3 year success factor window? Are those basically the 2 options?

Quick quiz - since the success factor implementation, which 2A school has been bumped up for tournament success? SR, or MD? Wasn't this thing put in place for the private/parochial schools anyway?!? I suspect, with 28 juniors on their roster, MD will be making their SF trip up soon, that is, unless, the IHSAA decides the COVID year really didn't happen?

I don't think you could go wrong with the PAC conference in general. A quick plug for SR successes, going back the last couple of decades (2000s to present) I believe we actually hold a slim margin of victories head-head vs. MD. Especially of late, their successes have came when we've been bumped up due to the success factor and/or enrollment. That in no way is meant to diminish what they have accomplished, again just putting a plug in for us. The success factor is a fickle thing..I'm not sure Memorial was too heartbroken to be in 4A the last couple of years?? Whereas, again, a 3A semi-state team I would like to think had a chance of a Lucas trip had we been in the correct classification. As is life though...