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2019 Evansville Memorial did. The 2021 squad was pretty close to getting there as well - just coming up short in the Semi State game.

58-2? Wow. Thanks for the update.

But it's on the Internet. So it HAS to be true.

I meant that tongue in cheek, but I went ahead and crunched some numbers for Sectional 24 to see what it might look like. The SIAC closed conference and making up 6/7 sectional opponents made the calculations a little easier. Results: 1. Reitz 24.8 2. Jasper 14.8 3. Memorial 13.8 4. Boonville 13.0 5. Harrison 5.6 6. Bosse 0.6 7. Central 0.0 (Mr. Blutarsky award) A couple of things I noticed. I think this would be a fairly accurate seeding and very well could be the bracket for the Semifinal Round, with 1 @ 4, and 2 @ 3. The only difference would be the lower seeds are hosts. If only top 4 'qualified' for playoffs I don't think public opinion would have issues with the teams selected. The other thing that I noticed is that Paoli (6-3, 2A - 23 pts) factors marginally better into Boonville's second level than Mt Vernon (5-4, 3A - 22.5pts) and Heritage Hills (5-4, 3A - 21pts). This is because the Big PAC is primarily 3A schools while PLAC is 1-2A. Overall the SIAC schools benefit from beating 4A Central and Bosse. Washington, Princeton, and Pike Central give a lot of win points to Boonville's opponents. Additionally, BV is boosted by Mt Vernon's win over a 1-7 Jeffersonville team. I definitely think any ranking system would result in scheduling becoming an art form. Those traditional 1-2 win big schools are great for playoff points.

Quick scratch paper calculation. Castle beat Ev North Week 1. Ev North beat Ev Memorial (4A) Week 2. Other than that, they share an identical 4 wins over Vin Lincoln (3A) and 4A's Central, Bosse, and Harrison. This means Castle has a better "First Level" win over 5A North, but North has a better "Second Level" win because Memorial ended up 6-3 with 29 win points. Making an adjustment to divide by 9 and 81 (9x9) instead of 10 and 100 (10x10) this is what I get. Castle - First Level 25 points / 9 + Second Level 63.5/ 81 = 9.833 North - First Level 24.5 points / 9 + Second Level 68/81 = 10.278 North (5-4) would be seeded higher than Castle (5-4) who won the head to head matchup. I'm sure an anomaly because of closed conference issues, but an interesting result. But I was told computers and seeding would make regular season results MORE important! 😉

I like the objective/ non score run up methodology as opposed to margin of victory being a key component of a ranking system. Although I don't like the 'win or nothing' component of the system, especially with win points being based on size. I think teams like Jennings County (4A), Evansville Bosse/Harrison/Central (4A), Richmond (4A) and Shelbyville (4A) suddenly would have more opponents requesting to play them. And Jeffersonville, New Albany, and Southport would have their phones ringing off the hook.

🙂 #Priorities I'm out of 'likes' for the day, but this made me laugh.

I've always been fascinated with the Illinois system, as I have had cousins and extended family compete in IHSA playoffs. 1. Only wins matter (school size is irrelevant until after selecting the 256 participants.) 6 wins and you're in. Usually 80-90% of 5 win teams get in as well. 2. A P/P multiplier is used and only then are the teams put into 8 classes by school size. 3. Once classed, then they are seeded by W-L with Opponents W-L/ Defeated Opponents W-L as the tie breakers. The craziest thing to me is that they do all 3 - select, class, and seed - in about a 24 hour window. Teams do not know their opponent for Friday until Sunday afternoon. That to me would be the worst part.

I find this fascinating. So thanks for sharing. Out of curiosity, how does out of state factor in? Does Elder get more points for beating Roncalli as opposed to Chatard? If my understanding is correct, Elder would also get second level points from beating Roncalli who beat Louisville Male. That’s a lot of tracking divisions across multiple states.

Out of curiosity where do you find the Jasper stats? As far as MaxPreps is concerned they have only played 1 game all year? Should we organize a GoFundMe to help get Internet to Dubois county?

If Owen Valley were to win, then Vincennes would need to win @ Gibson Southern and @ Owen Valley. Two road games against the two undefeated teams in your sectional is a tougher draw than GS/OV who would at least get one of the first two games at home. I'm curious what would be everyone's preference for a team like Mt Vernon? Draw an undefeated unknown (out of conference) opponent in OV or an undefeated conference foe they had already lost earlier? I guess it depends on how you fared in the previous meeting, but I would think out of conference would be better.

I would think if coaches had an idea of 2-3 teams who they might play, getting final confirmation on Saturday/Sunday for the next Friday would be ok. Gone are the days of meeting an opposing coach in a truck stop or McDonald's parking lot to trade VHS tapes. A few clicks, and film can shared digitally. It's not much different for some regionals and semi-states already. Team A can win Friday night and have to wait until Saturday night to know which team wins the other regional/semi state.

Texas (UIL) calls it the Playoff Bracket and State Championship. Repeat it with me: It's the IHSAA Tournament, not Playoffs. And the game played in Lucas Oil is the State Final, not the Championship Game. The people on Meridian St. are very careful with their wording.

Thanks for the info. That would have been my guess. Based on past experience I knew any field in SW Indiana was possibility on Friday before Coach Goebel would take a Saturday game.

MD will play Friday, field TBD. They have ‘hosted’ first round games at North Posey and Gibson Southern in previous years IIRC. I would imagine they will host at Central, since they are playing at Reitz. 5A has a week off, so both North and Castle would be available as well.

Did you not listen to the lyrics? They were 5-0 coming off a win over Jasper. So it was 2014. You were probably just busy listening to that catchy hook line, Linkin foo-ball. Linkin Foo-ball.

Thanks for completing my thoughts. Yes. The IHSAA wants an all-in tournament and no teams left out. Notice they intentionally call it the ‘IHSAA tournament’ and not playoffs. And I am not advocating their position - I would like to see some sort of qualifier and seeding. I’m just noting that all-in and blind draw are joined. You can’t have one without the other.

The older I get, the more I realize all-in necessitates the blind draw. Seeded sectionals with all-in would result in dozens of first round games like this one. At least in a blind draw, Pike Central can draw Washington rather than both of those teams getting blown out by Vincennes and Gibson Southern. (sectional 30)

Reitz, Mater Dei, and the Castle/Memorial winner will all finish with better records than the Alices. North is heavily favored to finish 5-4 as well. It's tough to finish 4th/tied for 4th in a 10 team league and claim to be top 1/3. In a band contest 60-70% of teams can claim to be top tier, but this is football.

For those concerned about Sagarin, the first two weeks should give us plenty of connections. Lower third SIAC Harrison plays a top tier PAC school. A middle third Lincoln squad faces the Greatest Show on Turf. Mater Dei will face a sectional opponent with a better record in the first round. And week 2 features Castle playing New Albany and North playing Floyd Central.

Congrats to Coach Gerber. I knew he had a couple of lean years his first few there. Appears they have been quite the contender in 3A north the last few. Edit: I thought he was a Norwell alum. I don’t think that is true

Aren’t both teams on Central? Why the early start?

Can you remind me the 1st-10 from the 25? There was a dead ball penalty on their defensive possession, which is why they spotted it at the 25? And it should have been 1st and goal from the 25, correct?

Chucktown is 6-1 with wins over traditional Mid South favorites Silver Creek (44-13) and Brownstown (30-13). I don't know if that conference is down or not this year. My question is on what map is Tri High in Southern Indiana?

I fully agree that more scientific study on this issue needs to be conducted. Research across multiple sports and including HS, college, and professional teams. I think there is a place for intelligent discussion and analysis of the data surrounding field turf and injuries to the lower extremities, especially the knee. I'm just not so sure this is the place. 🙂