Footballking16

Didn't they win baseball that year as well?

What about Snider’s long term success when there was only 5 classes? 6A been around for a handful of years.

You said a program with long term success. 6A has been around for all of 7-8 years. Snider ran a very successful program long before 6A was created as one of the smaller 5A schools. I answered your question and you were proven wrong. Clown. Now go puff your chest some more.

Those weren't my terms.

Snider

So agree on the terms?

Definitely the reason why Noblesville and Lake Central have unsuccessful football programs. Nailed it.

$25 it is, however I'm not going anywhere win or lose. Not sure my employer knows or cares where I went to high school 15+ years ago but whatever. Then you're getting great odds and should readily pounce on the spread. No clue what Ohio State's defense is going to look like next year. Don't really care. just know that Michigan is going to have to score just about every time they touch the ball to keep it close.

Margin of victory. Ohio State didn't win last year. 5-1 against Michigan since Harbaugh took over. Michigan has only beaten Ohio State 4 times the millennium. More than enough data to show Michigan doesn't belong in this rivalry in current times. Haskins doesn't play on the team anymore nor does a bevy of lineman for Michigan on both sides of the ball. Are you taking both bets? $50 GID donation per each?

42-13 30-27 31-20 62-39 56-27 Ohio State's average margin of victory since Harbaugh took over is 19 points. You're lucky a game wasn't played in 2020 or that average margin of victory would be even higher. Ohio State at home, waiting an entire year to avenge a loss with arguably 3 Heisman trophy candidates (Stroud/Henderson/Smith-Njigba) spells disaster for the Wolverines. Better pray for snow as Day will run it up, no doubt about it.

I'll take you up on the 9.5. I'll give the Wolverines 20.5 at the Shoe, it ain't going to be pretty. You going to pay money out of your own pocket this time when donating to the GID fund? I expect it.

Waltz?? Play @ Ohio State and @ Iowa and Michigan Stadium might as well be renamed Sparty East. Harbaugh will find a way to lose to Michigan State/Penn State, has made a career out of losing a game he shouldn't while in Ann Arbor.

Not going to make a playoff giving up 50+ in the Shoe. Cupcake schedule or not, Michigan will find a way to go 9-3. It’s who they are these days. Lose their two best players by far in Hutchinson and Obajo and several other defensive starters. Believe they lose 2-3 lineman as well. At least McCarthy has foot speed, he’s going to need. Happy for you that Michigan has their “Michigan Man”….for now. “One time thing”

Huh? DT previously admitted he was too aggressive in trying to take over the site as a pay for play subscription. There's no hyperbole, there's not even a slight exaggeration. It deadass happened. And he was banned. About that waffle...

Definitely a right of passage for some.

So not the hyperbole @Muda69 suggests? Now that was hyperbole. DrivenTemptation was definitely one. There's 4.

So hyperbolic the mods banned him. Go eat a waffle.

Vividly remember sometime around 2010-2011 (shortly after TA's passing), when DT tried to take over the site and make it pay for play subscription. Thought that was a total slap in the face to everything TA started and wished to continue. Was never a fan of DT's work before; multiplier, +1 bump, ad nauseum crap that still gets spewed every week here, but it completely turned me off. 6 screen names and 9 resignations/unretirements later....well, here we are.

Clearly I was talking post season, you knew that as you responded to my comment earlier specifically mentioning their postseason struggles. They’re 0fer in the playoff just as they were during the BCS era. Now you’re just being pedantic. I speak for myself, yet I understand they’re tons of delusional Indiana basketball fans just as there are Michigan football fans. Case in point ^^^^ Purdue may not have won a national title, but they’ve been damn good the last 5-6 years, winning multiple B10 titles. They’ve got as good a chance as anyone to win it all this year. And of course I root like hell for Purdue to lose in March, what rival wouldn’t? Did you suddenly become Ohio State’s biggest fan once Michigan’s miserable seasons end these last two decades? Michigan was so bad in 2020 that Harbaugh had to take a pay cut to stay employed. Michigan State was worse and still clowned the Wolverines once again. With the exception of one outlier year, Michigan has done nothing but lose to rivals and get embarrassed in bowl games. Purdue has owned Indiana the last 5-6 years. Third time saying it. Again, I don’t need to find a way to rationalize consistently losing to rivals they way you do.

You're delusional if you don't think other programs are negatively recruiting Notre Dame's poor track record in big time games. I brought you up to speed. Like IU basketball, a once proud Michigan Football program has had minimal success at the national level for a long time. I was talking about Big Ten titles. Does making one playoff automatically make you a top 10 program over X amount of years? Shouldn't Michigan St, Washington, Oregon, Cincinnati be a part of this discussion as well? I can go back and edit my top list if you'd like. I'd still used the word owned. "Little Brother". Ha.

Crucified by everybody. Don't play dumb. IU's at least played for a national title this millennium and has as many B10 championship in basketball as Michigan does Football. I was talking about IU basketball. IU's been terrible the last 5 years and inherently average the last 20 years sans 4-5 seasons. No shame in admitting that. But I don't need to rationalize it over 30+ posts the way you have with Michigan though. Penn State won the B10 in 2016. Michigan State has a winning record against Harbaugh and is 10-4 against Michigan since Lloyd Carr retired. #Owned

That just isn't true. I'm the biggest Notre Dame detractor there is and they get absolutely crucified for their inability to win a meaningful postseason game dating back to the BCS era. Both are has-been programs living in the past. Still top 10 programs historically with minimal national success the last 20 years. I don't see it as a reach at all. Indiana has been terrible, but you don't see me making 30+ posts trying to rationalize why they aren't. One year. Harbaugh's been there seven. 1/7 ain't great for a supposed top 10 program.

Michigan a) doesn't beat their rivals and b) doesn't win its postseason games. Am I supposed to pat you on the back and say congratulations for beating the Indiana's, the Rutgers', and the Maryland's of the world? You deserve your top 10 ranking? Every single team at the top is graded on postseason success and Michigan's record is pathetic. I'd be saying postseason games were meaningless as well if I were in your shoes. Getting pumped regularly and losing to teams like South Carolina probably does it for you. I've said repeatedly that Michigan finally had a good year. It's also an outlier to date. Change my mind. You've been to one CFB playoff game and got embarrassed. Washington, Cincinnati, and Sparty can all lay the same claim. Doubt you consider those teams top 10 based on one game. One CFB appearance/national title implication game doesn't negate 20 some years of mediocrity at the national level. Teams who consistently perform at the national level are considered the best teams, Michigan ain't one of them. Try harder. Michigan doesn't play ND regularly anymore and their two main rivals are OSU and MSU who both own Michigan right now. It's why I've repeatedly stated Michigan isn't a top team in the B10 anymore, let alone the country. They not only beat Michigan on the field, they win their postseason games as well. Until Michigan can consistently put together seasons like last year, they'll always be a has been program who talks about all-time wins and TV ratings. I get it, IU basketball fans do the same thing. It's one of the ways to rationalize about being nationally relevant.

I'm playing your game. What is considered a successful Michigan season these days? 20-30 years ago it was was beating your rivals (ND/OSU/Michigan St), winning B10 titles, and competing for national championships. Michigan has ONE B10 title since 2004, zero national title appearances, and a dogsh*t record against both OSU and Michigan State. Their postseason record is dogsh*t in said time frame. What top 10 program can't regularly compete for a conference championship and gets continually clowned by their rival(s)? Outside this past year (my outlier), what is truly the last "successful" season Michigan has had? And if you want to try and tell me 2018 where they lost to both Ohio State and Notre Dame while getting housed in a significant bowl game, it further proves how far Michigan has fallen. You don't get to call Jan 1 bowl games like the Gator or Outback Bowl meaningless unless you're a team like Alabama, Ohio State, or Clemson who continually play for national titles, especially when you can't win the bowl games you're assigned too. There's zero barometer of success for Michigan under Harbaugh with the exception of last year.

Penn State is 2-0 in NY6 Bowls and has a Rose Bowl appearance. Wisconsin is 6-1 in Bowl Games with their lone loss in the Rose Bowl. I know you said bowl games don't matter, but I guess beating your rivals don't either. What's the draw for Michigan? I don't understand?