Footballking16

Alabama Clemson Ohio State Georgia Oklahoma Notre Dame LSU Penn State Wisconsin Guess I'm back and forth between Florida and Michigan. Michigan better H2H record vs Florida but Florida far better postseason record. And again spare me with your "meaningless bowl games". If beating rivals and winning titles is the only thing that matters then Michigan doesn't sniff this list.

You can continue to tell yourself 2020 doesn't count. Not only does 2020 count, it happened and it was real. It was so real that Harbaugh was forced to take a 50% pay cut just to stay employed. No doubt the B10 East is a tough division, never argued otherwise. And Michigan is only the 3rd or 4th best team in that division. So what? Why do you care what I think about Michigan? It's a has been program that finally had a good year and yet is still blowing up in their face. Head coach wanting out of Dodge, top assistant taking a demotion to go to Miami, replacing a defensive coordinator with a nobody, etc. It's just funny to me. Counting down the days watching a 9-3 Michigan team lose once again in the Gator Bowl while its fans incessantly yell, "WE'RE A TOP 10 PROGRAM"!!!! Rinse, lather, repeat.

Michigan hasn't sniffed a conference title in 5/7 years Harbaugh has been the head coach. That is a trend. The rest are outliers. The only other year Michigan finished better than 3rd in their own division was 2018 in which they lost to Notre Dame, gave up 62 to Ohio State in a winner take all game, and got embarrassed in their bowl game. There isn't a true Wolverine fan alive that would call that a successful season. Wal-Mart fans like Temptation might think so since winning 10 games is somehow the barometer of a successful season, but real Michigan fans who have at least seen Michigan as an elite program realize how far away from national relevancy they really are. Top 10 nationally relevant program my ass lol. Can't even compete for a a division title 70% of the time during Harbaugh's tenure. Thanks for the laugh fellas.

What's inaccurate?

Finishing 3rd or worst in your own division in 5 of the 7 years you've been a head coach is a trend my friend. Teams that finish 3rd or worst in their own division aren't competing for national titles. Read the room.

What's the insanity of it? Michigan's finish in the B10 east since Harbaugh's arrival: 3rd 3rd 4th T-1st 3rd T-5th T-1st Acting like Michigan is some program who year in and year out is competing for B10 titles and NY6/playoff appearances is ludicrous. Would it kill you to do your own research or are you incapable?

Michigan used to be the cream of the crop in the B10. Ohio State is a full marathon ahead of the Wolverines right now. Michigan used to be a top 5 program, they're arguably only a top 3 or 4 program in the B10 right now. Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan State have all played in and won Rose Bowls in the last 10 years. Say what you want about Michigan and not winning bowls that don't matter, you can't beat any of your rivals. By what metric does Michigan measure their football program then? You aren't beating Michigan St. You aren't beating Ohio State. And you sure as hell aren't winning postseason games. So your barometer of success is beating up on Indiana, Northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers of the world??? Sounds like a top ten program to me. Keep doing what you need to do to rationalize.

2021 is an outlier for Michigan. Michigan has finished unranked in the AP as many times as they've finished ranked since Carr retired. Michigan isn't anywhere close to the program it used to be, # of viewers be damned. A bunch of dummies who still think Bo Schembelcher is the coach. You can't beat Michigan State on a regular basis these days and are only competitive with Ohio State in one out of every five years. Michigan hasn't won a meaningful bowl game in ages and it's been a decade plus since you've been to the Rose Bowl. Have program standards fallen that far up in Ann Arbor? Are these what the "boots on the ground" are preaching these days?

And just like Michigan, Indiana basketball has been a nationally irrelevant basketball program in the last 20 years. Have no shame in admitting that. IU basketball still draws huge TV ratings, always one of the top revenue producers each year, etc...it means jack shit in the W-L column. Michigan needs to worry about becoming the best team in its own state before anything else.

Would I love for Indiana to be an above average B10 team? Sure.

The only opinion in my last post was about the coordinators. The rest are facts. 4-10 against Michigan State is absolutely a fact. 4 wins against Ohio state since 2000 is absolutely a fact. Haven't played in a Rose Bowl in over 15 year is absolutely a fact. Haven't won a Rose Bowl in 20+ years is absolutely a fact. Harbaugh interviewing with the Vikings is absolutely a fact. Michigan has a losing record against Ohio State and Michigan State and a .500 record vs Penn State since Harbaugh has taken over. They've finished better than 3rd TWICE in their own division in said time frame. Facts my friend. Michigan is no longer your daddy's Michigan. Haven't been in awhile.

Says the Wal-Mart Wolverine fan. 4-10 against "Little Brother" since Carr's retirement (2007). 4 wins against Ohio State this millennium. Haven't sniffed a Rose Bowl in 15 years and it's been over 20 since they last won one. Head coach couldn't get out of town fast enough after best season in 20+ years. Lost both coordinators and replaced them with absolute nobodies. This is exactly what I'd expect a "Michigan" fan to say.

Ha. The all-time wins leader isn’t even the best D1 football program in their own state and haven’t been for awhile.

Whatever you wanna call em, Slap.

Michigan has one nationally relevant season for the first time in over a decade and all the Wal-Mart Wolverines come out of the woodwork. Cute.

I don't care what they call it going forward. Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan State don't need to be in the same division. It's blown up in their face on multiple occasions since the they've gone the playoff route.

They signed 3 of the top 10 prospects in the state this year, two of them 4 stars. The in-state 4 stars that Indiana has recently signed have all been massive busts and either can't get on the field or have transferred out to lesser programs. Reality is that IU isn't going to beat out Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Michigan for the top in-state kids. IU did everything in their power to try and lure Curry. They offered Craig and Tanona who ended up at Notre Dame. Can you blame them? I watched for years as Cam Cameron and Gerry DiNardo recruited in-state kids who had no business playing in the B10. Indiana has undoubtedly evolved into a football state but the talent between Indiana and neighboring stats like Ohio and Michigan is night and day. Indiana won't survive as a football program relying on in-state talent. This shouldn't come as a shock to anybody.

Right but the B10 does have that issue where there isn't geographical parity. They need to fix it to ensure better playoff visibility. Penn State and Ohio State won the B10 title game back to back years in 2016 and 2017 and didn't get playoff invitations. They're stacking the deck against themselves when 3/4 best teams in the conference can't play for the title in any given year.

I like 247 because it incorporates all of the recruiting sites to give a more aggregate ranking.

Well there's been multiple years they haven't sent a single participant. It would be a layup if they proportionately balanced their divisions. I don't think anyone has ever accused Kevin Warren of being a forward thinker.

I know the SEC has divisions and they're balanced much more proportionately than the way the B10 does it. You have Alabama, LSU, Auburn on one side and Georgia, Florida on the other side. Imagine if all those teams were in the same division? It be their version of the B10 East and they'd have no realistic shot of ever sending two teams to the playoff and they run the risk of beating up on each other before the SEC title game is played.

Big 12 played in 6 of the 10 BCS National title games from 2000-2009. Not sure that was the problem. The NCAA ruled after the 2010 season that conferences must have at least 12 members to host a title game, Big 12 only had 10...go figure. After the 2016 season, NCAA came out and said there didn't need to be a minimum number of conference participants to hold a conference championship game so the B12 reimplemented one and did it without divisions to ensure the two best teams played for the championship game. B10 should follow or at the very least make sure Ohio St/Michigan and Penn State are in opposite divisions.

An undefeated Ohio State/Michigan vs an undefeated Penn State in the title game all but ensures at least one team in the playoff every year, possibly two if the game is close. SEC has it figured out, it's why they've been able to send multiple teams to a 4 team playoff on more than one instance. The B12 doesn't have divisions anymore and has only had a title game in the playoff era since 2017.

Been advocating for years the imbalance of powers in the B10. If anything, the B10 screws itself in terms of playoff participation under the current setup. B10 championship game should be a defacto play in game for the playoff and in rare occurrences the possibility of getting two teams in. Current setup runs the risk of teams like Michigan/Ohio State/Penn State beating up on each other.

That would go along way in bringing back some kind of parity. I agree.