Footballking16

Saw Cathedral's enrollment is under 1100 for the first time in awhile. It was pushing 1300 almost a decade ago. Heard Chatard is hurting as well, had less than 30 freshman football players last year if what I was told is true.

Wow, didn't realize just how favorable their schedule was....again. Have to feel like anything less than 8 wins is a mild disappointment given the scheduling dynamic.

IU just landed two OL recruits in the last 72 hours, both with decent offer lists. Purdue just lost their prized QB recruit and by far and away their best committed player of the 23 class.

Crimsonrace nailed it. It did what it was intended to do, and that’s prevent a select few programs from running off 4-5 state championships in a row. The SF has benefitted a handful of programs in the process but by in large part, hasn’t moved the needle in terms of improving competitive balance. So to answer the question, I voted no, as it hasn’t benefitted Indiana High School as a whole. 95+% of IHSAA member teams remain largely unaffected by the SF.

What about the 8 win season the year before?

State? Maybe city but I don't think that's weird at all. People living in NW IN and the Region are closer to Chicago by almost two hours than Indianapolis. Have never lived in that area of the state but would guess most local coverage goes to the Bears before it does the Colts. In fact, I'm pretty sure Chicago's metro population encompasses Lake and Porter Country.

Clown or whipping boy seems like a more appropriate fit for you. You take it well though, credit where credit is due.

Yawn

I think you mean couldn’t care less. Clearly you care, hence your nearly half-dozen short lived farewells.

Because you just flat out lied about Purdue maintaining good staff continuity. Not only is that not true, it was rebuffed in a matter of 20 seconds. My one tip, if you want people to take you seriously, at least get your facts straight. IU lost one noteworthy staff member last year: Deland McCullough. There was nothing IU could do to prevent him from going to Notre Dame.

I’ll go all day calling out your BS. Happy to do it.

Purdue has 4 first year coaches this year and 2 second year coaches. That’s more than IU. “This hurts recruiting, especially when Purdue has maintained good staff continuity under Brohm”. Again, you’re a joke.

And Purdue’s hasn’t??? Three defensive coordinators in three years isn’t a revolving door? Explain please.

Ok. So are you going to walk back your comment about coaching turnover? IU had almost 30 guys go out with season ending injuries last year. That type of record should be expected when you play that tough of a schedule.

Lol. Purdue went 4-8 and 2-4 the two years prior to last years breakout season. Purdue is on their 3rd defensive coordinator in 4 years and this offseason was the first time since 2019 where they haven’t fired the position. Purdue has gutted its position coaches on the defensive side of the ball multiple times in the last few years. IU’s had two coordinators take head coaching positions elsewhere two of the last three years. That’s a good thing. IU fired OC Sheridan (thank God) and Charlton leaving for UNC allows Allen to go back to calling plays on the defensive side of the ball. McCullough left Notre Dame which isn’t surprising at all. Allen just plucked the defensive line coach from your savior PJ Fleck and hired RB and WR coaches who were coaching in the NFL last year. Per usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your blind hatred for Allen in favor of Brohm has clouded your judgement.

Arguably your best post of the year. Nobody has to take their time out to read it. We all win.

All kidding aside, it furthers my point. It’s a revolving door. One team benefits when the other is up and vice versa. There’s a handful of teams each year who benefit from the Success Factor. It doesn’t move the needle in terms of achieving competitive balance in the least. That still seems to be falling of deaf ears. Still failing to see where it says “promotes fair and competitive balance”…help me out.

Of the 7 teams to win 3A/4A, how many weren’t perennial winners prior to the SF? Roncalli/Dwenger winning 4A (because Cathedral is in 5A) and Memorial/West Lafayette winning 3A (because Chatard is in 4A) doesn’t enhance competitive balance you knob. Competitive balance doesn’t exist in high school football, as it has been repeatedly stated. There are haves and have-nots. Haves make up 10-15% of each class, yet win nearly 100% of the titles. Removing Cathedral from the 4A equation does nothing to dismiss the fact there are still 60 teams who have virtually a zero shot of winning a title. Again, bring me some kind of concrete evidence that the Success Factor has improved competitive balance. I’m still waiting.

You’ve yet to provide a single ounce of articulate evidence that shows an implementation of a rule that leaves 99% of the status quo unchanged as successful.

You’ve yet to provide a single ounce of articulate evidence that shows an implementation of a rule that leaves 99% of the status quo unchanged as successful. I’ll call you wrong starting in a different language going forward and I’d still be right.

You’re not wrong but I would love for @scarab527to make a rational argument as to how a rule that was targeted for 3 specific programs (the ones you mentioned) out of the 350+ schools between 20 or so IHSAA offered sports improves competitive balance? And it’s not like it has prevented those schools from continually winning state titles in additional classes. Cathedral will never be in 4A again so if that was the goal of the Success Factor I guess it worked, but 4A is still going to be dominated by primarily 3-4 teams year after year depending on who is bumped up. Cathedral no longer being in 4A is irrelevant to all but 61 or 62 4A teams.

You’ve yet to make an argument how the same handful of teams winning the state title year after year has improved competitive balance? You outed yourself when you said the Success Factor doesn’t apply to 99% of the IHSAA member schools. When an implementation of a new rule doesn’t affect 99% of the target audience…well I would hope you get the picture.

They’re all the same teams!!!! With the exception of Tri-West 8 years ago and Gibson Southern this last year, it’s the same damn group of 4-5 teams shuffling titles and runner-ups between them. Dwenger, Chatard, Memorial, West Lafayette, Roncalli, Andrean, etc All those programs have multiple appearances at LOS right up into the implementation of the Success Factor and current era. The Success Factor does nothing but change the fortunes of 2-3 programs for a 2 year cycle. Then it’s rinse, wash, repeat. Competitive balance isn’t being achieved. Like at all. You have 3 multi-millionaires at an auction bidding on priceless art in room of a hundred people common folk. One of them gets up to take a 15 minute bathroom break. 15 minutes the third guy comes back in the room. None of the common folk bought anything. Thats the Success Factor. It doesn’t change a damn thing.

It's pretty much the de-facto 3A/4A cycle between Chatard/Memorial/Roncalli. The same teams are winning essentially every year, just replacing the winner from the years prior. Rinse, wash, repeat. It's not improving competitive balance.

The same 2-3 teams are winning every year. When one team wins they get bumped up a class. Team #2 then wins and bumps up a class only to have the original team come back and win...only to be bumped back up a second time. Rinse, wash, repeat. This isn't improving competitive balance.