Colts 2025

[PHJIrish]

On 12/28/2025 at 8:07 PM, Sparty said:

Value=2 1st round draft picks to the Jets.  

That's just one of Ballard's big mess ups!  I don't have enough finger strength to list all his big time mess ups!

[Irishman]

Guessing a lot of Colts fans won't be thrilled to see this; at least about Ballard any way. 

 

 

[Bash Riprock]

22 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Guessing a lot of Colts fans won't be thrilled to see this; at least about Ballard any way. 

 

 

Will be interesting to see how that impacts season ticket sales 

[Bash Riprock]

 

[PHJIrish]

Here's another article about the two that seem to be lifetime employees:

Carlie Irsay-Gordon immediately makes decision on Ballard, Steichen's future

[First_Backer_Inside]

I'm gonna be honest and it's not going to be a popular opinion, but for as much crap as he gets, Ballard really hasn't done that bad of a job. I mean if you look at our roster this last year, on paper we are pretty darn good. It comes down to execution with those players and Shane isn't getting it done. I understand injuries happen, but the glaring problem at the end of the season was dudes were injured and we still didn't run the ball with JT. Even when we did, it was constant inside zone. The creativity in the run game for Shane is non-existent. The one game we mixed it up a little was the Seahawks game with two running backs, and we had Seattle on their toes at times which is arguably one of if not the best defense in the league. There is no reason the Shane couldn't find a way to win one or two games at the end of the year. If anyone should be fired it should be both of our coordinators and head coach or at least before Ballard. I'm not a fan of Ballard, but I like him better than I do Shane or his staff. I just don't know how you have a RB who's on a record setting pace halfway through the year, and then decide to decrease the amount of usage for him. JT's numbers and success went hand in hand with our record this year. I don't think that is a coincidence. 

[wabashalwaysfights]

2 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

I'm gonna be honest and it's not going to be a popular opinion, but for as much crap as he gets, Ballard really hasn't done that bad of a job. I mean if you look at our roster this last year, on paper we are pretty darn good. It comes down to execution with those players and Shane isn't getting it done. I understand injuries happen, but the glaring problem at the end of the season was dudes were injured and we still didn't run the ball with JT. Even when we did, it was constant inside zone. The creativity in the run game for Shane is non-existent. The one game we mixed it up a little was the Seahawks game with two running backs, and we had Seattle on their toes at times which is arguably one of if not the best defense in the league. There is no reason the Shane couldn't find a way to win one or two games at the end of the year. If anyone should be fired it should be both of our coordinators and head coach or at least before Ballard. I'm not a fan of Ballard, but I like him better than I do Shane or his staff. I just don't know how you have a RB who's on a record setting pace halfway through the year, and then decide to decrease the amount of usage for him. JT's numbers and success went hand in hand with our record this year. I don't think that is a coincidence. 

I agree on Ballard: I think he gets a bad rap because his approach is not super "flashy" but he has built a roster that is actually pretty solid.  Now, not many believed that up until the first half of this year because he, and the rest of the organization, got absolutely blindsided by Luck's retirement, which left them with a massive, Grand Canyon sized hole at the most important position on the roster.  He has started to step outside of his "normal" approach by taking a swing at a raw, physical talent like Richardson (which has been a bust to this point) and trading for Gardner (a move the Ballard of 5 years ago would have never even given an initial thought to).

As to Steichen and Lou; I am not sure I agree.  I listen to the "Heed the Call" podcast, and they were quick to point out (and I think we discussed this here earlier this season) that JT's success is attributable to having a legitimate threat at the quarterback position who can take advantage of your weaknesses on the back end when you load the box up.  We actually saw this on display with the Rivers games: teams dared him to beat them with his arm and largely he actually did.  That's not to say that I think Steichen didn't move off the running game too early is some cases (because I do) but I also don't think it's as easy as drawing a straight line correlation between JT's numbers and wins and losses.  Things are more dynamic than that.  As far as Lou goes, for as much attention as the injury to Jones gets, the defense is where the injury bug really bit this year.  That said, injuries happen to every team, some handle them better than others.

Unfortunately, we are looking at a similar song and dance this offseason: it comes down to the quarterback.  Do you run it back with Indiana Jones coming off of an Achilles rupture (assuming he'll be at all ready) or blow it up and start over? 

[Coach Nowlin]

23 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Will be interesting to see how that impacts season ticket sales 

Does Lucas Oil actually sell out each Sunday?  Waiting list for tickets?   

21 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

Here's another article about the two that seem to be lifetime employees:

Carlie Irsay-Gordon immediately makes decision on Ballard, Steichen's future

The Colts tried to go all-in but failed miserably. It's hard to know if anyone's to blame or if it's just unfortunate, but as Jonathan Taylor said a week ago, "Good teams don't lose six in a row."

6 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

I'm gonna be honest and it's not going to be a popular opinion, but for as much crap as he gets, Ballard really hasn't done that bad of a job. I mean if you look at our roster this last year, on paper we are pretty darn good. It comes down to execution with those players and Shane isn't getting it done. I understand injuries happen, but the glaring problem at the end of the season was dudes were injured and we still didn't run the ball with JT. Even when we did, it was constant inside zone. The creativity in the run game for Shane is non-existent. The one game we mixed it up a little was the Seahawks game with two running backs, and we had Seattle on their toes at times which is arguably one of if not the best defense in the league. There is no reason the Shane couldn't find a way to win one or two games at the end of the year. If anyone should be fired it should be both of our coordinators and head coach or at least before Ballard. I'm not a fan of Ballard, but I like him better than I do Shane or his staff. I just don't know how you have a RB who's on a record setting pace halfway through the year, and then decide to decrease the amount of usage for him. JT's numbers and success went hand in hand with our record this year. I don't think that is a coincidence. 

 

3 hours ago, wabashalwaysfights said:

I agree on Ballard: I think he gets a bad rap because his approach is not super "flashy" but he has built a roster that is actually pretty solid.  Now, not many believed that up until the first half of this year because he, and the rest of the organization, got absolutely blindsided by Luck's retirement, which left them with a massive, Grand Canyon sized hole at the most important position on the roster.  He has started to step outside of his "normal" approach by taking a swing at a raw, physical talent like Richardson (which has been a bust to this point) and trading for Gardner (a move the Ballard of 5 years ago would have never even given an initial thought to).

As to Steichen and Lou; I am not sure I agree.  I listen to the "Heed the Call" podcast, and they were quick to point out (and I think we discussed this here earlier this season) that JT's success is attributable to having a legitimate threat at the quarterback position who can take advantage of your weaknesses on the back end when you load the box up.  We actually saw this on display with the Rivers games: teams dared him to beat them with his arm and largely he actually did.  That's not to say that I think Steichen didn't move off the running game too early is some cases (because I do) but I also don't think it's as easy as drawing a straight line correlation between JT's numbers and wins and losses.  Things are more dynamic than that.  As far as Lou goes, for as much attention as the injury to Jones gets, the defense is where the injury bug really bit this year.  That said, injuries happen to every team, some handle them better than others.

Unfortunately, we are looking at a similar song and dance this offseason: it comes down to the quarterback.  Do you run it back with Indiana Jones coming off of an Achilles rupture (assuming he'll be at all ready) or blow it up and start over? 

For as many years as Ballard has been at the helm in roster construction, would you guys agree at some point, the goal is to create a roster good enough to withstand the injuries?    That is my goal for my GM now next 1-3 years, tore it down, vertically aligned front office, attacked Offense at all 3 phases in last 2.5 years.  Now, job is to do that with D side of ball, and continue to build depth of roster with talent.     That imo is the role of GM after first 3-4 years, because most times, there is a reason a new GM is hired right, so its not like expectation should be to see the roster flipped perfectly in 4 months.   

 

Agree as well:   JT production correlated with QB who is a danger vs QB that NFL DCs do not have to worry as a danger.  DJ in Colts scheme 1st 8 games was a dangerous position, breaks leg, then became very much not as dangerous, zero legs to worry about to extend plays, zip on ball, transfer of weight, then because of that injury, my guess is the Achilles stressed much more because naturally babying the other side of his body.  Then you choose to bring in Rivers, I get it, and understand HC stance,  HEY, if I am worried about getting fired at the end of the year, who am I going to go to, some Rookie 6th rounder who was 3rd most of the year on Depth Chart or see if you pull a miracle with Rivers, I would of chose Rivers too if I thought my job counted on it, and perhaps, that was a positive for new Irsay Ownership group.   I do think it was smart to do one of 2 things:   KEEP both or FIRE BOTH.   too many mistakes made in NFL front offices of keeping one and not the other especially keeping Coach, but firing GM.... yikes 

[Bash Riprock]

2 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Does Lucas Oil actually sell out each Sunday?  Waiting list for tickets?   

The Colts tried to go all-in but failed miserably. It's hard to know if anyone's to blame or if it's just unfortunate, but as Jonathan Taylor said a week ago, "Good teams don't lose six in a row."

 

For as many years as Ballard has been at the helm in roster construction, would you guys agree at some point, the goal is to create a roster good enough to withstand the injuries?    That is my goal for my GM now next 1-3 years, tore it down, vertically aligned front office, attacked Offense at all 3 phases in last 2.5 years.  Now, job is to do that with D side of ball, and continue to build depth of roster with talent.     That imo is the role of GM after first 3-4 years, because most times, there is a reason a new GM is hired right, so its not like expectation should be to see the roster flipped perfectly in 4 months.   

 

Agree as well:   JT production correlated with QB who is a danger vs QB that NFL DCs do not have to worry as a danger.  DJ in Colts scheme 1st 8 games was a dangerous position, breaks leg, then became very much not as dangerous, zero legs to worry about to extend plays, zip on ball, transfer of weight, then because of that injury, my guess is the Achilles stressed much more because naturally babying the other side of his body.  Then you choose to bring in Rivers, I get it, and understand HC stance,  HEY, if I am worried about getting fired at the end of the year, who am I going to go to, some Rookie 6th rounder who was 3rd most of the year on Depth Chart or see if you pull a miracle with Rivers, I would of chose Rivers too if I thought my job counted on it, and perhaps, that was a positive for new Irsay Ownership group.   I do think it was smart to do one of 2 things:   KEEP both or FIRE BOTH.   too many mistakes made in NFL front offices of keeping one and not the other especially keeping Coach, but firing GM.... yikes 

Colts aren’t blacked out like the old days, so assume they have been selling out. Not sure about a wait list or the size of it. Just know many fans are upset. Perhaps zero impact on ticket sales. No prediction…just a question. 

[Coach Nowlin]

right on, just didn't know, just know how many people it sits, its large.... 

Definitely understand, been there before.....   JOHN FOX ....... PACE........

[Muda69]

Doyel: You can tell Carlie Irsay-Gordon what to do. But she just might ignore you.: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2026/01/05/colts-owner-carlie-irsay-gordon-defiantly-brings-back-gm-chris-ballard/88023227007/

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Carlie Irsay-Gordon isn’t just angry. She’s pissed.

“I’m pissed,” said the Indianapolis Colts co-owner.

See?

And she’s not the only one. She met with local reporters Monday to explain – to defend – her decision to bring back Colts general manager Chris Ballard for a 10^th season, and as such she was speaking at times for her two co-owner sisters, and the front office, and the coaching staff and players and everyone else. And as she was saying, it’s not just her that’s pissed.

“We are all pissed,” she said.

See?

This was the Colts principal owner trying to explain to the fan base that she understands their frustration, their anger, with a franchise that hasn’t won the AFC South in 11 years, or won a playoff game in eight years, or even reached the NFL postseason in five years.

 

“I totally get that they’re pissed,” she said of fans. “I want to validate them. We hear them.”

She heard, and while she agrees with their anger, she hasn’t given them what they wanted. They wanted nothing short of Ballard’s termination, and some even hoped Irsay-Gordon would fire coach Shane Steichen as well. Irsay-Gordon knew all of that, knew exactly how she could’ve won this news conference Monday – and knew she was going to lose it by doing the opposite.

 

That should tell you how convinced she is that running it back – Ballard, Steichen, quarterback Daniel Jones – is the right move.

This was Irsay-Gordon willingly canceling the last little bit of her honeymoon with a fan base that had fallen in love with All Things Carlie:

The way she attended the entire 2025 training camp, preseason and regular season with pen and paper out, literally watching the action over Steichen’s shoulder – and listening to it on a set of coaches’ headphones. The way she was summoned, and agreed, to sign autographs before the Colts’ game at Pittsburgh. The way she bought a round of drinks for the bar at a fan gathering in Berlin before the Colts’ 31-25 victory against the Atlanta Falcons in early November, a win that gave them an 8-2 record, put them in command of the AFC South and had them trending toward the No. 1 overall seed in the AFC.

 

That rushing rampage by Jonathan Taylor led to the Colts’ last victory of the season, of course. What followed was a series of misfortune you wouldn’t wish on your worst NFL enemy, summed up like so: No top seed, no AFC South title – only defeat, a seven-game losing streak to end the season.

And she agrees with fans: That losing streak sucked.

“A losing streak of that nature sucks, to be honest,” she said. “And it was horrible.”

See?

But Colts fans didn’t hear what they wanted to hear after the game Sunday, or Monday – We wish Chris Ballard well, but we’re moving in a different direction – so they’re pissed. They think Irsay-Gordon’s first massive decision as co-owner sucks, to be honest. And it was horrible.

But she made that decision anyway. She’s bringing the gang back, knowing the online vitriol – and potential backlash at the ticket office – it would cause. Earlier this season, when the Colts were winning and "Carlie Irsay-Gordon" was trending almost every Sunday, NFL fans were captivated nationally and proud locally, calling her on social media "by far the best owner in the NFL."

They're not saying that today.

If you were a reasonable person, which of course you are – talking here about someone else, not you – you’d ask yourself:

What does Carlie Irsay-Gordon know that I do not?

Carlie Irsay-Gordon believes in GM Chris Ballard

Picture this press conference, and understand how different it was from the last one, the only one, that Colts fans heard so directly from Irsay-Gordon or her two sisters. That was in June, three weeks after the death of their father, Jim Irsay. They spoke that day to assure Colts fans of their commitment to the team, and city, and it was all three of his daughters sitting behind a wide dais: Carlie Irsay-Gordon and her younger sisters, Casey Foyt and Kalen Jackson.

This news conference Monday, it wasn’t that.

It was one small table, one chair, one microphone.

One voice.

And that voice was hoarse. Either Irsay-Gordon has been yelling a lot since the Colts’ season-ending loss Sunday at Houston, or she’s been fighting the cold that’s making the rounds in Central Indiana. She doesn’t seem like the yelling type, and anyway, the frustrating loss Sunday had no bearing on her decision to retain Ballard (and Steichen) – because that was a decision she says that she’d already made last week.

This was Irsay-Gordon, clearly the most hands-on owner among the three sisters, making clear who made this decision and why, and she came with talking points.

She tried to connect with fans’ emotions by using some form of “pissed” seven times. She tried to assure them next season will be different – or else – by describing the franchise’s heightened “sense of urgency” nine times. For example: “We have been very clear with Chris and Shane that giving them another opportunity means that the sense of urgency for them to deliver and perform has never been higher.”

And she tried to encourage them to believe that Ballard and Steichen can deliver, as she believes, by using this word four times:

Replicate.

For example:

“We believe that they can replicate what we started off doing – and the sense of urgency to do that has never been higher,” she said. “We believe they can do it next season.”

Do not try to push around Carlie Irsay-Gordon

Remember when the Colts had the best record in the NFL? It happened. This season. And no, funny guy, not something silly like 3-0. Nope, they were all alone as the class of the NFL at 7-1, and shared the league’s top record at 8-2, when they led the AFC South by 2½ games.

This team was rolling. Remember who put together the roster? Chris Ballard. Remember who coached it? Shane Steichen. The quarterback? Daniel Jones.

But then Jones suffered a broken fibula before the 11^th game, and suffered a season-ending Achilles tear in the 13^th game, and the season went sideways. All of this is factual. So is this:

Carlie Irsay-Gordon, Colts owner by birth but scientist by educational choice – she completed her coursework toward a doctoral degree in clinical psychology – makes decisions based on facts, not emotions. Because everything about her emotions, as they related to the 2025 Indianapolis Colts, would’ve suggested the firing of Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen on the NFL’s Black Monday.

Pissed – seven times, remember? And that seven-game losing streak – it sucks, remember?

But she went with facts over anger, and in that regard, she had to balance what we’ve seen under Ballard for eight years – the Colts suffering a series of pies to the face – with what we saw earlier this season. And here’s what she saw, what we all saw, earlier this season:

“We were in a record way dominating offensively,” she said, referring to a Colts franchise record 194 points through six games, and an NFL mark of starting the season with 20 drives before having to punt.

Irsay-Gordon is aware the season didn’t end the way it began. She came prepared for that one, too, using the following phrase – “tale of two seasons” – in her opening remarks and repeating it later. And she believes she knows why it happened: They couldn’t finish games.

Number of times she said finish: Thirteen.

As the news conference finished, Irsay-Gordon was asked about Jones’ Achilles injury: “Does it make you hesitant at all,” she was asked, to commit to him next season?

“I don't know if it's appropriate to comment on his injury,” she said, and like that, the news conference was over. You can ask Carlie Irsay-Gordon whatever you like. But she’ll give the answer she wants.

She's the boss, and the rest of you mouth-breathing Colts fans can STHU. You'll still buy those season tickets and jam yourself like sardines into that taxpayer-funded government boondoggle called Lucas Oil Stadium on Sunday, right?

 

 

[wabashalwaysfights]

12 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

For as many years as Ballard has been at the helm in roster construction, would you guys agree at some point, the goal is to create a roster good enough to withstand the injuries?    That is my goal for my GM now next 1-3 years, tore it down, vertically aligned front office, attacked Offense at all 3 phases in last 2.5 years.  Now, job is to do that with D side of ball, and continue to build depth of roster with talent.     That imo is the role of GM after first 3-4 years, because most times, there is a reason a new GM is hired right, so its not like expectation should be to see the roster flipped perfectly in 4 months.   

Yes, BUT you have to also balance that with cleaning up the mess that was left to you, and given the absolute dumpster fire left by Grigson and that Ballard's process is patience, patience, patience, that timeline becomes even more difficult to assess. I would agree though that the clock is nearing midnight for this pumpkin though...

12 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Agree as well:   JT production correlated with QB who is a danger vs QB that NFL DCs do not have to worry as a danger.  DJ in Colts scheme 1st 8 games was a dangerous position, breaks leg, then became very much not as dangerous, zero legs to worry about to extend plays, zip on ball, transfer of weight, then because of that injury, my guess is the Achilles stressed much more because naturally babying the other side of his body.  Then you choose to bring in Rivers, I get it, and understand HC stance,  HEY, if I am worried about getting fired at the end of the year, who am I going to go to, some Rookie 6th rounder who was 3rd most of the year on Depth Chart or see if you pull a miracle with Rivers, I would of chose Rivers too if I thought my job counted on it, and perhaps, that was a positive for new Irsay Ownership group.   I do think it was smart to do one of 2 things:   KEEP both or FIRE BOTH.   too many mistakes made in NFL front offices of keeping one and not the other especially keeping Coach, but firing GM.... yikes 

This, unfortunately for Steichen especially, is absolutely correct.  

[Coach Nowlin]

But, hey, got Houston to call a TO when they panicked keeping the PUNT team on the field,  I thought was very clever !!!! 

1st Round picks hit at like 20% rate..... so I would not be so upset about 2 for SAUCE, if he can be healthy and productive but not sure he has that DOG in him now that the JETS culture got him..... can COLTS reverse that??   

 

Agree with Owners's assessment, you go with both or you go with firing both...  my guess... she likes HC, she has questions about GM, but doesn't want to can GM and keep coach bc next GM will want his guy.... and cycle gets put behind 

[Bash Riprock]

4 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Doyel: You can tell Carlie Irsay-Gordon what to do. But she just might ignore you.: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2026/01/05/colts-owner-carlie-irsay-gordon-defiantly-brings-back-gm-chris-ballard/88023227007/

She's the boss, and the rest of you mouth-breathing Colts fans can STHU. You'll still buy those season tickets and jam yourself like sardines into that taxpayer-funded government boondoggle called Lucas Oil Stadium on Sunday, right?

 

 

[Muda69]

34 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Sorry that you hate the truth. 

 

[Coach Nowlin]

48 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Sorry that you hate the truth. 

 

Curous, what is the Truths of the conversation you refer to?   Article or you opin about tax payer boondoggle ?

[Muda69]

12 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Curous, what is the Truths of the conversation you refer to?   Article or you opin about tax payer boondoggle ?

Both, put primarily the taxpayer funded boondoggle.  Indiana taxpayers will be paying for Lucas Oil until it is torn down, and probably afterwards. Just like the Hoosier Dome: https://www.sportico.com/business/finance/2021/how-taxpayers-sustain-indianapolis-stadium-1234626373/

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Lingering muni subsidies aren’t new. Taxpayers are still paying for the Hoosier Dome (later called the RCA Dome), the former home of the Colts and five NCAA basketball Final Fours—which was blown up in 2008.  Some of the money originally issued in 1981 to build the now-extinct facility is still being paid off, having been refinanced inside larger bond issues floated in the 2000s to expand the convention center next to Lucas Oil Stadium onto the old dome’s site. How much? “It is not practical to allocate an exact debt amount to the RCA Dome,” a municipal authority told The Indianapolis Star in 2018. A year later, Indiana again refinanced some of the convention center debt that can be traced back through regulatory filings to the original 1981 financings.

The new date the Hoosier Dome will be paid off: 2039.

 

[wabashalwaysfights]

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

So a thought worth considering: I've often heard it said that when you consider "cleaning house" in the NFL, you need to consider whether or not you actually have any options that are better than what you currently have.  In light of that, in this cycle, who would potential options be to replace Steichen or Ballard who would be better?

[Muda69]

8 minutes ago, wabashalwaysfights said:

So a thought worth considering: I've often heard it said that when you consider "cleaning house" in the NFL, you need to consider whether or not you actually have any options that are better than what you currently have.  In light of that, in this cycle, who would potential options be to replace Steichen or Ballard who would be better?

Bill Polian and Tony Dungy?  

 

[Bash Riprock]

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Sorry that you hate the truth. 

 

Sorry about your delusions that your view = truth

[Bash Riprock]

26 minutes ago, wabashalwaysfights said:

So a thought worth considering: I've often heard it said that when you consider "cleaning house" in the NFL, you need to consider whether or not you actually have any options that are better than what you currently have.  In light of that, in this cycle, who would potential options be to replace Steichen or Ballard who would be better?

my broken record comment was not directed to your comments...I concur before one replaces they had better have at least one or more better options.  We all saw how Penn State football struggled with replacing their head coach and was very fortunate at the end to find a decent replacement.

My broken record image was for Muda's continued slights about Lucas Oil Stadium.  Been going on prior to 2008.  

[Coach Nowlin]

57 minutes ago, wabashalwaysfights said:

So a thought worth considering: I've often heard it said that when you consider "cleaning house" in the NFL, you need to consider whether or not you actually have any options that are better than what you currently have.  In light of that, in this cycle, who would potential options be to replace Steichen or Ballard who would be better?

BINGO
 

However, Kevin Stephanski is such a tremendous coach to be available in NFL circles imo 

As far as GM, I know I want the draft pick, but Ian Cunningham seems to be very well thought of in the ranks of future GMs

Wouldn't be surprised to see Falcons snag Grigson or Dolphins 

I believe that is how Kevin Warren finally convinced Momma Bear and George they HAD to fire Flus first so they had more time to vet and go through the process and snag the #1 choice on the board

After Stephanski, not sure who would be considered MUST GET, unlike last year when Ben Johnson and Mike Vrabel (though only 1 team race there from minute they hired Mayo) 

 

[Muda69]

58 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Sorry about your delusions that your view = truth

Please tell me what statements I have made about Lucas Oil stadium and it's funding that are objectively false. 

Edited January 6 by Muda69

[wabashalwaysfights]

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

my broken record comment was not directed to your comments...I concur before one replaces they had better have at least one or more better options.  We all saw how Penn State football struggled with replacing their head coach and was very fortunate at the end to find a decent replacement.

My broken record image was for Muda's continued slights about Lucas Oil Stadium.  Been going on prior to 2008.  

Oh no, I got that and didnt take offense at all. At the time, in my head, I was also linking the idea of a broken record to what seems like repeated disappointments for us as Colts fans in recent years and the frustrations that come from that. In hindsight, I probably didnt need to quote your post.

As far as coaches go, I'm not sure image Stephanski over Steichen, though I get he hasn't had much to work with at Cleveland, at least as far as consistency goes. That would seem like a lateral move at best. Now if a Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh were available... now you're talking. GM-wise: I haven't the foggiest...

[Bash Riprock]

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Please tell me what statements I have made about Lucas Oil stadium and it's funding that are objectively false. 

Not going down the rabbit hole again....there is nothing that can be said to you (regardless of economic benefit and/or intangible benefit this venue provides the city) that would change your views and I respect your commitment to your views. Just have heard it so much over the years.