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1 hour ago, temptation said:

I mean, I would not completely give up and say ND has no chance, but the climb, even in years where they have a top 5 class is still steep.  Looking at this, don't Friday night's results make much more sense?

It is going to be hard for anyone else to break through.

Something that also stands out to me on this chart are Texas, Florida and LSU...yuck.  Talk about wasting away talent.

Preaching to the choir my guy.  Preaching to the choir.

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5 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Don't think $$$ was a factor for Kelly. Been venturing into some ND message boards and info coming out that Kelly's yearly compensation package the last few years has been between $7.5-$8.5 mil/yr. He was paid handsomely and one of the top paid coaches in college football. 

Not arguing your statement.

My question is (for any coach and his salary), what ALL does he have to do to earn that salary?

Could a coach get paid say $8 mil a year, but have to do weekly radio shows, tv ads, whatever....

whereas a coach at school b, only has to coach, be the closer on recruiting, and face of the university.

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10 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Don't think $$$ was a factor for Kelly. Been venturing into some ND message boards and info coming out that Kelly's yearly compensation package the last few years has been between $7.5-$8.5 mil/yr. He was paid handsomely and one of the top paid coaches in college football. 

Yea me either, he’s well heeled and a man in a mission to get a championship. Smart move for him to pull this off ,very opportunistic on his part. 

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23 minutes ago, DE said:

Not arguing your statement.

My question is (for any coach and his salary), what ALL does he have to do to earn that salary?

Could a coach get paid say $8 mil a year, but have to do weekly radio shows, tv ads, whatever....

whereas a coach at school b, only has to coach, be the closer on recruiting, and face of the university.

I think Kelly was paid fairly at ND. He's a top 3 coach in college football and maximized his potential at ND.

As Temptation and others have repeatedly stated, it's a numbers game in college football. The teams with the best talent win, period. There's no amount of money ND could pay Brian Kelly that would change ND's recruiting fortunes. They are limited in the type of recruits they can admit into the school. 

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2 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I think Kelly was paid fairly at ND. He's a top 3 coach in college football and maximized his potential at ND.

As Temptation and others have repeatedly stated, it's a numbers game in college football. The teams with the best talent win, period. There's no amount of money ND could pay Brian Kelly that would change ND's recruiting fortunes. They are limited in the type of recruits they can admit into the school. 

Again, not arguing that, just wondering IF he had to do A-B-C-D-E-F-G to earn that 8 mil a year, whereas he could go to LSU and only do A-B-C to get 8 mil a year (or more).  Again, just an example and thinking out loud.

I am not comparing HS to big tome D1 football, but I have seen schools say you can get paid X amount (same as the top coaches in the conference), but you have to do A-B-C-D-E-F, etc.  Whereas those other coaches did not.

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18 minutes ago, DE said:

Again, not arguing that, just wondering IF he had to do A-B-C-D-E-F-G to earn that 8 mil a year, whereas he could go to LSU and only do A-B-C to get 8 mil a year (or more).  Again, just an example and thinking out loud.

I am not comparing HS to big tome D1 football, but I have seen schools say you can get paid X amount (same as the top coaches in the conference), but you have to do A-B-C-D-E-F, etc.  Whereas those other coaches did not.

I'm not sure what all was in Kelly's contract. Notre Dame being a private school doesn't have to release or divulge into contract details or finances. I'm sure his contract was written similar to most big time college coaches, base salary with incentives and performance bonuses, etc. 

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This is a huge get for the Irish.

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-harry-hiestand-returning-a-home-run-for-marcus-freeman-tommy-rees

Harry Hiestand Returning To Notre Dame Is A Home Run For Marcus Freeman, Tommy Rees

The return of Harry Hiestand to coach the offensive line at Notre Dame is a coup for Marcus Freeman and Tommy Rees

Irish Breakdown readers and members have known this was coming, but more and more national reporters are learning what we've known for awhile, and what has been reported on Irish Breakdown for weeks, that Harry Hiestand is going to return to Notre Dame as its next offensive line coach.

Hiestand and Notre Dame have been working on a contract for weeks, and IB sources indicate all the hurdles have been cleared and the former Irish line coach will once again be the Irish line coach.

Of course, Hiestand was the Notre Dame offensive line coach from 2012-2017, and during that time the program came to be known as O-Line U for its success at producing elite lines and high NFL Draft picks.

Notre Dame won the 2017 Joe Moore Award, which goes to the nation's best offensive line, during Hiestand's final season in South Bend. A case could be made that Notre Dame also had the nation's best offensive line in 2015, two years before that award was created. Of course, that award is named for a former Irish coach, one who was part of Notre Dame's last championship squad (1988) and also had a legendary career at Pittsburgh.

During Hiestand's six seasons at Notre Dame he developed four players that became 1st Round NFL Draft picks (Zack Martin, Ronnie Stanley, Quenton Nelson, Mike McGlinchey), including three that were Top 10 NFL Draft picks. Notre Dame also had a second and a third round draft pick during that tenure, and three more players that Hiestand recruited and coached for at least one season were drafted in the second (Liam Eichenberg, Aaron Banks) and third round (Robert Hainsey) a year ago.

Notre Dame's offenses averaged 204.1 rushing yards per game during Hiestand's tenure (minus sacks, team runs), compared to 191.8 in the four year since he departed and 142.7 in the four years prior to his arrival.

Notre Dame's offense also averaged 5.83 yards per carry (minus sacks, team carries) during his six seasons, compared to 5.41 in the four years that followed his departure and 4.74 in the four years prior to his arrival.

Notre Dame's 2015 team set a modern program record for yards per play (7.0). In 2017, Notre Dame's 6.25 yards per carry also set a modern program record.

Despite a narrative emerging about his recruiting passions, Hiestand landed top line classes year after year. He even recruited a player inJerry Tillery that eventually became a first round pick at defensive line. Tillery, of course, was initially recruited to Notre Dame as an offensive tackle.

For Notre Dame to become a national title contender a major step was getting its offensive line back to the levels it had during much of Hiestand's tenure. The program has grown in other ways since he left, but the line steadily took steps back. Head coach Marcus Freemanand offensive coordinator Tommy Rees convincing Hiestand to come back gives the program a chance to get its line where it needs to be.

This is a coup for both coaches. For Freeman it gives him one of the best, and most respected names in the business. For Rees, more practically, it gives him an offensive line coach who will certainly be able to improve the physicality and production of the run game. 

It's the first, and arguably most important, big coaching domino to fall for Notre Dame this offseason. It's step one towards Freeman building the kind of top-to-bottom elite staff that his predecessor never could build.

Hiestand and Rees clearly have a relationship. The former was the offensive line coach for the final two seasons of Rees' career, including overseeing the line that allowed Rees to be sacked just 8 times in 2013. They also worked together in 2017 when Hiestand was the offensive line coach and Rees was in his first season as the quarterbacks coach.

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College football has the same problem that 6a Indiana football has. In order to win the national championship, you have to be better than Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio State. The chances of being better than all four are slim. At least one of those teams will have a strong season. You'd have to catch them all on an off year in order to win. The chances of that are low. 

The comparison is to Carmel, Warren Central, Ben Davis, and Center Grove. It doesn't do you any good to be better than just three of them if you want to call yourself champion. You have to go back over two decades to find a year where they were all down at the same time. 

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The era of The Chosen One is about to begin under the Golden Dome.

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-tyler-buchner-key-to-irish-offense-taking-off

Tyler Buchner Holds The Key To The Notre Dame Offense

An emergence from quarterback Tyler Buchner is the key to the Notre Dame offense taking off in 2022.

When you look at the Notre Dame program in recent seasons there were certainly areas where the Irish were playing at a level that allowed it to compete for a championship. In other areas the Irish were not up to par, and for the most part the offense has been the unit where most of that "not quite good enough" resided.

Offseason coaching changes and the return of some very talented players give the offense plenty of potential. Offensive coordinator Tommy Rees is coming into his own and he'll have a much, much better supporting cast this season. The offensive line is talented and deep, there are talented pass catchers and the backfield should be quite good.

Notre Dame must get better on offense, it must start playing championship football on offense. All of those pieces are good, but if Notre Dame is going to take that final leap and play championship football on offense it must get dynamic play at quarterback, and that is where sophomore Tyler Buchner comes into play.

After missing his senior season due to California canceling its fall football season, Buchner was able to shake off the rust a bit last season, passing for 298 yards (60.0% completion rate) and rushing for 336 yards while accounting for six touchdowns.

If Buchner can seize hold of the starting quarterback role and make a freshman to sophomore jump that comes anywhere close to players CJ Stroud (Ohio State), Bryce Young (Alabama) and Tyler Van Dyke (Miami) made last season in their sophomore seasons the offense will be incredibly hard to defend. Notice I didn't say he needed to match their gigantic leaps, he just has to follow the pattern of lightly used player to playmaker.

Stroud didn't attempt a single pass as a true freshman in 2020 and he rushed for just 48 yards, but as a true sophomore he jumped up to 4,435 passing yards and 44 touchdowns.

Young passed for just 156 yards and had minus-23 rushing yards as a true freshman, accounting for just one touchdown. As a true sophomore he won the Heisman Trophy after passing for 4,872 yards and racking up 50 touchdowns.

Van Dyke didn't complete either of his two attempts as a true freshman and he had minus-7 rushing yards. As a sophomore with the Hurricanes he threw for 2,931 yards and 25 touchdowns (just six interceptions).

If Buchner can go anywhere between Van Dyke and the Stroud/Young combination from a total yards/total touchdowns standpoint he'll give the offense everything it needs to make a huge leap.

Buchner is a unique player compared to the other players that I just mentioned. They were mostly pocket passers, but Buchner is more of a dual threat talent. He is a dynamic runner, but Buchner is a better passer than some want to give him credit for. This is a young man that passed for 4,474 yards and 53 touchdowns as a junior in high school.

Buchner becoming a playmaker for Notre Dame makes the rest of the unit much harder to defend. The rising sophomore brings an impact running ability that mirrors what Brandon Wimbush brought to the 2017 offense, and we saw how hard it was to defend the Irish running backs when Wimbush was going off.

If Buchner can use his experience absorbing the offense over the last season to make better decisions, to throw the ball more accurately and give some level of consistency in the pass game stopping the Notre Dame offense is going to be hard for any defense.

Buchner doesn't need to throw for 4,000+ yards like Stroud and Young, he doesn't need to complete 70% of his passes, he doesn't need to sit in the pocket and beat teams start to finish. He'll need to be a weapon in the pocket, but with his running ability he can do damage in ways that Stroud and Young could not, and that's the all-around impact that Buchner can bring.

It all sounds good, but now Buchner needs to show he can get the job done. He'll need to quickly beat out Drew Pyne in the fall for the starting job, he'll need to continue enhancing his grasp for the offense and then be ready to play in front of some very bright lights. 

The closer Buchner gets to being that player the better the Notre Dame offense will be in 2022.

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1 hour ago, Bobref said:

The era of The Chosen One is about to begin under the Golden Dome.

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-tyler-buchner-key-to-irish-offense-taking-off

Tyler Buchner Holds The Key To The Notre Dame Offense

An emergence from quarterback Tyler Buchner is the key to the Notre Dame offense taking off in 2022.

When you look at the Notre Dame program in recent seasons there were certainly areas where the Irish were playing at a level that allowed it to compete for a championship. In other areas the Irish were not up to par, and for the most part the offense has been the unit where most of that "not quite good enough" resided.

Offseason coaching changes and the return of some very talented players give the offense plenty of potential. Offensive coordinator Tommy Rees is coming into his own and he'll have a much, much better supporting cast this season. The offensive line is talented and deep, there are talented pass catchers and the backfield should be quite good.

Notre Dame must get better on offense, it must start playing championship football on offense. All of those pieces are good, but if Notre Dame is going to take that final leap and play championship football on offense it must get dynamic play at quarterback, and that is where sophomore Tyler Buchner comes into play.

After missing his senior season due to California canceling its fall football season, Buchner was able to shake off the rust a bit last season, passing for 298 yards (60.0% completion rate) and rushing for 336 yards while accounting for six touchdowns.

If Buchner can seize hold of the starting quarterback role and make a freshman to sophomore jump that comes anywhere close to players CJ Stroud (Ohio State), Bryce Young (Alabama) and Tyler Van Dyke (Miami) made last season in their sophomore seasons the offense will be incredibly hard to defend. Notice I didn't say he needed to match their gigantic leaps, he just has to follow the pattern of lightly used player to playmaker.

Stroud didn't attempt a single pass as a true freshman in 2020 and he rushed for just 48 yards, but as a true sophomore he jumped up to 4,435 passing yards and 44 touchdowns.

Young passed for just 156 yards and had minus-23 rushing yards as a true freshman, accounting for just one touchdown. As a true sophomore he won the Heisman Trophy after passing for 4,872 yards and racking up 50 touchdowns.

Van Dyke didn't complete either of his two attempts as a true freshman and he had minus-7 rushing yards. As a sophomore with the Hurricanes he threw for 2,931 yards and 25 touchdowns (just six interceptions).

If Buchner can go anywhere between Van Dyke and the Stroud/Young combination from a total yards/total touchdowns standpoint he'll give the offense everything it needs to make a huge leap.

Buchner is a unique player compared to the other players that I just mentioned. They were mostly pocket passers, but Buchner is more of a dual threat talent. He is a dynamic runner, but Buchner is a better passer than some want to give him credit for. This is a young man that passed for 4,474 yards and 53 touchdowns as a junior in high school.

Buchner becoming a playmaker for Notre Dame makes the rest of the unit much harder to defend. The rising sophomore brings an impact running ability that mirrors what Brandon Wimbush brought to the 2017 offense, and we saw how hard it was to defend the Irish running backs when Wimbush was going off.

If Buchner can use his experience absorbing the offense over the last season to make better decisions, to throw the ball more accurately and give some level of consistency in the pass game stopping the Notre Dame offense is going to be hard for any defense.

Buchner doesn't need to throw for 4,000+ yards like Stroud and Young, he doesn't need to complete 70% of his passes, he doesn't need to sit in the pocket and beat teams start to finish. He'll need to be a weapon in the pocket, but with his running ability he can do damage in ways that Stroud and Young could not, and that's the all-around impact that Buchner can bring.

It all sounds good, but now Buchner needs to show he can get the job done. He'll need to quickly beat out Drew Pyne in the fall for the starting job, he'll need to continue enhancing his grasp for the offense and then be ready to play in front of some very bright lights. 

The closer Buchner gets to being that player the better the Notre Dame offense will be in 2022.

LOL at the insinuation that "The Chosen One" belongs in the same breath as Stroud or Young.

They should have capitalized "IF."  ("IF my aunt had balls...")

I think some of that Flint drinking water has made its way to South Bend.

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1 hour ago, temptation said:

LOL at the insinuation that "The Chosen One" belongs in the same breath as Stroud or Young.

They should have capitalized "IF."  ("IF my aunt had balls...")

I think some of that Flint drinking water has made its way to South Bend.

We shall see.

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8 hours ago, temptation said:

let me be the first to congratulate Notre Dame on another CFP appearance...

Irish fans say thank you. We're pretty happy about it too. 

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On 6/1/2022 at 11:38 AM, temptation said:

They should have capitalized "IF."  ("IF my aunt had balls...")

She could have swam in the NCAA women's division finals......perhaps even won an event.

 

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