PHJIrish Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 6 hours ago, gonzoron said: No Gale Sayers? Sayers was as good as anyone who ever carried the ball. Injuries cut his career short, and that was a shame. Quote
Guest Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 6 hours ago, gonzoron said: No Gale Sayers? Who does Sayers replace of the 4? He only played 6 seasons due to injury. Quote
gonzoron Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 4 hours ago, HHF said: Who does Sayers replace of the 4? He only played 6 seasons due to injury. Ditka. He only played 5 seasons. Quote
Whiting89 Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 This isn’t college, coaching really overrated in nfl. It’s all about drafting and salary cap management which is Poles new job. Quote
Guest Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 4 hours ago, gonzoron said: Ditka. He only played 5 seasons. Youre forgetting his best season. 1985 Quote
Bash Riprock Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 9 hours ago, HHF said: Youre forgetting his best season. 1985 One of the most talented teams in NFL history with a legend D coordinator. Ditka is great...but not sure he replaces Sayers on the greatest Bears of all time. Quote
gonzoron Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 9 hours ago, HHF said: Youre forgetting his best season. 1985 He was a one hit wonder. Quote
WolvesOnTheProwl Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 What's sad, as a Bears fan, is that you guys are debating who should be on the Mt. Rushmore, and none of those guys have played for the Bears in 50 years. I'd like to know if any other fan base has guys on their Rushmore who haven't played in as long???? Quote
SenatorFan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, WolvesOnTheProwl said: What's sad, as a Bears fan, is that you guys are debating who should be on the Mt. Rushmore, and none of those guys have played for the Bears in 50 years. I'd like to know if any other fan base has guys on their Rushmore who haven't played in as long???? Probably the Cowgirls 😂 Landry, Staubach, White, Dorsett/Smith Smith is questionable due to his being part of the Jerry Jones era. Just sayin’ Quote
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 If you are going players only, its cut and dried : Sid Luckman Dick Butkus Gale Sayers Walter Payton If you add in coaches, George Halas, Walter Payton, Dick Butkus, Sid Luckman The Bears won 4 NFL championship in 11 years with Luckman at QB. he simply cannot be left off the list. Quote
Bash Riprock Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 How in the world can you leave Bob Avellini off that list?? Erik Kramer or Jim Miller?? Quote
Bash Riprock Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, HHF said: If you are going players only, its cut and dried : Sid Luckman Dick Butkus Gale Sayers Walter Payton If you add in coaches, George Halas, Walter Payton, Dick Butkus, Sid Luckman The Bears won 4 NFL championship in 11 years with Luckman at QB. he simply cannot be left off the list. Luckman only threw for more than 2000 yds twice and is the all time Bear's leader with interceptions thrown.......still holds that record. (132) Quote
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: Luckman only threw for more than 2000 yds twice and is the all time Bear's leader with interceptions thrown.......still holds that record. (132) Different era. His 4 championships dwarf any others team achievements. You cant expect a 1930 Ford to outrun a 2010 Ford. Totally different technology. But they are both Fords, and there is only one mountain. Quote
Bash Riprock Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, HHF said: Different era. His 4 championships dwarf any others team achievements. You cant expect a 1930 Ford to outrun a 2010 Ford. Totally different technology. But they are both Fords, and there is only one mountain. He didn't do it on his own....and because the NFL was so very different and didn't depend on the QB nearly as much as today, I struggle with your rationale. Heck, if you go back and look at his history, most seasons he shared the starting duties. He did win the MVP one of his years, and did go into the HOF in 1965, so I can see where you make the argument. I agree that timeframe was different than today....but he much has tossed it around a little to be the all-time Bears leader in interceptions thrown. Quote
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Bottom line, championships outweigh personal stats. Terry Bradshaw will never be known for his TDs thrown or total yards or his low INT rate. He is still on TV today for one reason. He won 4 Super Bowls in 6 years Have you seen Fran Tarkenton on TV lately? Maybe at 3AM selling insurance. Case closed. Edited January 31, 2022 by HHF Quote
DE Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, HHF said: If you are going players only, its cut and dried : Sid Luckman Dick Butkus Gale Sayers Walter Payton If you add in coaches, George Halas, Walter Payton, Dick Butkus, Sid Luckman The Bears won 4 NFL championship in 11 years with Luckman at QB. he simply cannot be left off the list. So where the hell did Ditka go? Quote
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DE said: So where the hell did Ditka go? Do I have to carry you across the finish line Mr. Lake Central? Use that Blue Indian logic of yours. Sheesh! Edited January 31, 2022 by HHF Quote
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HHF said: Do I have to carry you across the finish line Mr. Lake Central? Use that Blue Indian logic of yours. Sheesh! BTW - who was the genius at LC that chose powder blue and white as the school colors to go with an Indian head logo? Remember "Redskins?" Just sayin How bout the Lake Central Blue Bonnets Or Lake Central Powder Puffs Or Lake Central Blue Wave Any others? Edited January 31, 2022 by HHF Quote
Irishman Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 5 hours ago, WolvesOnTheProwl said: What's sad, as a Bears fan, is that you guys are debating who should be on the Mt. Rushmore, and none of those guys have played for the Bears in 50 years. I'd like to know if any other fan base has guys on their Rushmore who haven't played in as long???? The Browns? Ozzie Newsome might be the youngest guy in their group. Quote
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, HHF said: BTW - who was the genius at LC that chose powder blue and white as the school colors to go with an Indian head logo? Remember "Redskins?" Just sayin How bout the Lake Central Blue Bonnets Or Lake Central Powder Puffs Or Lake Central Blue Wave Any others? Possible new LC helmet designs to meet their competitive profile : BB1.pdf BB2.pdf BB3.pdf Quote
gonzoron Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: How in the world can you leave Bob Avellini off that list?? Erik Kramer or Jim Miller?? Bobby Douglass? Jack Concannon? 57 minutes ago, Irishman said: The Browns? Ozzie Newsome might be the youngest guy in their group. No Vinny fans? 2 hours ago, HHF said: If you are going players only, its cut and dried : Sid Luckman Dick Butkus Gale Sayers Walter Payton If you add in coaches, George Halas, Walter Payton, Dick Butkus, Sid Luckman The Bears won 4 NFL championship in 11 years with Luckman at QB. he simply cannot be left off the list. No Mike Singletary? Da Fridge? Quote
DE Posted February 1, 2022 Author Posted February 1, 2022 4 hours ago, HHF said: Do I have to carry you across the finish line Mr. Lake Central? Use that Blue Indian logic of yours. Sheesh! I guess so. You are the one who had Ditka on it, then removed him. Quote
Guest Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 50 minutes ago, DE said: I guess so. You are the one who had Ditka on it, then removed him. Ditka was a player and a coach. Quote
Guest Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, gonzoron said: Bobby Douglass? Jack Concannon? No Vinny fans? No Mike Singletary? Da Fridge? Despite the overwhelming love he received from Bears fans, Id nominate Mike Singletary as the most overrated Bear of all time. John Madden created the Singletary Myth, when he called out Singletary's crazy eyes. Thats all anybody ever focused on. Both of Singletary's outside linebackers were better athletes and better players. Wilbur Marshall and Otis Wilson made it easy for Singletary to pile up big stats by funneling everything to him. Singletary would have never lasted if had to play on the outside. Edited February 1, 2022 by HHF Quote
Irishman Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 9 hours ago, HHF said: Despite the overwhelming love he received from Bears fans, Id nominate Mike Singletary as the most overrated Bear of all time. John Madden created the Singletary Myth, when he called out Singletary's crazy eyes. Thats all anybody ever focused on. Both of Singletary's outside linebackers were better athletes and better players. Wilbur Marshall and Otis Wilson made it easy for Singletary to pile up big stats by funneling everything to him. Singletary would have never lasted if had to play on the outside. This is just crazy talk....well of course the OLB's were better athletes.....that is called good coaching. Put the better athletes outside. But to say he was underrated is just silly. I will say, he was better than Butkus. Spend some time learning about Singletary. He understood the entire defense. He was a coach on the field. He was the heart of that defense. He was tough taking on blocks, including double teams. While he was undersized, he was powerful and hit as hard as anyone on that defense. I would add the most overrated......Urlacher. 1 Quote
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