Coach Nowlin Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 https://www.dabearsblog.com Quote If it were just about selecting a player, one could argue the difference between picking second and fifth isn’t that big a deal. Selecting players is a crap shoot. Don’t tell me you know what Jalen Carter or Will Anderson will be at the next level because you don’t. The fourth and fifth picks in 2022 – Sauce Gardner and Kayvon Thibodeaux – had significantly more impactful rookie campaigns than first overall pick Travon Walker. (Is there any question the Jags would take Sauce in a 2022 re-draft?) What is not a crap shoot is the league’s consistently absurd overvaluing of quarterback prospects come draft time. The best years to select at the top of the draft are years where your team doesn’t need a quarterback and four-to-five QBs are projected into the first round. That’s exactly what 2023 looks like for the Chicago Bears. Ryan Wilson at CBS Sports projects four QBs in round one. Jamie Eisner at The Draft Network also projects four, with three of the first four picks being quarterbacks. Walter Football only projects three but all three gone in the first six picks. This may not be a draft deep at quarterback, but it is top heavy. And that’s when you want your pick at the top. When you’re rebuilding your roster, the key is word is options. You re-sign key contributors to give yourself options in free agency. You’re judicious in free agency to give yourself options in the draft. And the higher the draft pick in the first round, the more options you have at that event. If the Bears have the first or second pick, they will have multiple teams making offers. There is no question about it. Look at how many teams currently slotted in the top 15 need QBS: Houston (1st), Seattle (3rd), Indianapolis (5th), Atlanta (6th), Detroit (7th), Carolina (8th), Vegas (9th), Tennessee (13th) and the Jets (15th). You can nitpick these quarterbacks all you like, but historically NFL franchises err on the side of hope. The Bears will play Sunday. And with their rushing attack, and the porous Detroit rush defense, they could actually win the game. But with a roster in turnover, and the rostered group decimated by injury, it is hard to argue the positives of that potential victory. Having the first pick in the 2023 NFL Draft gives the Bears the clearest path to a quick turnaround. That means losing on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 also, Sounds like B10 Commish Warren is heavy favorite to take over as President of Bears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilernation Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Bobref said: You’re absolutely right that the Bears don’t need to use the #2 pick to get a high quality WR. All the better. Trade down with that #2 to some QB-starved team for additional draft capital. There you go! Maybe the Raiders would take that #2 for Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilernation Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said: also, Sounds like B10 Commish Warren is heavy favorite to take over as President of Bears You or I would be an upgrade over Ted Phillips. Only in Halas Hall could an Accountant work his way up the org chart and land the role of President over football operations. This is promising to see McCaskey appears to bringing in someone that actually understands how a sports entity is ran. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilernation Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) I just heard that Warren was involved in the building of US Bank Stadium when he was the COO for the Vikings. Seems like a no brainer considering his experience with the Big Ten as well as the fact the Bears have a massive construction progress on the horizon in Arlington Heights. Edited December 29, 2022 by Boilernation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 PERFECT SEASON Well Done FLUS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiting89 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 So if bears draft Bryce young what kind of package can they get for fields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 30 minutes ago, Whiting89 said: So if bears draft Bryce young what kind of package can they get for fields? Man, your medication definitely needs adjusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiting89 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, Bobref said: Man, your medication definitely needs adjusting. I’m just saying if you are a talent scout which none of us are on this board and you project Bryce in the burrow, Mahomes, and Arodg class wouldn’t you be doing disservice to the organization by not making that move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Whiting89 said: I’m just saying if you are a talent scout which none of us are on this board and you project Bryce in the burrow, Mahomes, and Arodg class wouldn’t you be doing disservice to the organization by not making that move? The problem is, you can’t view a single draft choice in isolation. They have Justin Fields. Most people think he has a very high ceiling. The question is not whether Bryce Young is going to be better than Fields. The question is how much better the Bears team would be with Young, plus whatever you could get for Fields, vs. with Fields, plus whatever you can get for that #1 pick. It’s not nearly as simple as whether Young projects to be better. How much better? After all, the object is to have the best team, not necessarily the best QB. All I’ll say is that the most valuable thing to have in the NFL is the #1 draft choice … and not be in need of a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiting89 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 49 minutes ago, Bobref said: The problem is, you can’t view a single draft choice in isolation. They have Justin Fields. Most people think he has a very high ceiling. The question is not whether Bryce Young is going to be better than Fields. The question is how much better the Bears team would be with Young, plus whatever you could get for Fields, vs. with Fields, plus whatever you can get for that #1 pick. It’s not nearly as simple as whether Young projects to be better. How much better? After all, the object is to have the best team, not necessarily the best QB. All I’ll say is that the most valuable thing to have in the NFL is the #1 draft choice … and not be in need of a QB. I agree with any scenario would be fine with me except standing pat and drafting a defender in regards to Justin fields it’s tough because of the financials, it’s probably very tempting to get another rookie qb on a 5 year deal at a bargain vs field expiring in 2-3 years and having to resign or franchise that’s why poles gets paid so much to make these tough decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, Whiting89 said: that’s why poles gets paid so much to make these tough decisions We can agree to disagree on whether this is a tough decision or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Bobref said: We can agree to disagree on whether this is a tough decision or not. Didn't read the entire thread Bob....are you thinking the Bears will trade out of that pick and acquire multiple picks?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: Didn't read the entire thread Bob....are you thinking the Bears will trade out of that pick and acquire multiple picks?? That’s what I’d do. They gave up their 2nd round to get Claypool. That’s a pretty good pick, it’ll be the 32nd player taken. Would be nice to recoup that, since they overpaid on that occasion. Edited January 9 by Bobref 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolvesOnTheProwl Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 12 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: PERFECT SEASON Well Done FLUS Biggest off season of our lifetimes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarab527 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, Bobref said: The problem is, you can’t view a single draft choice in isolation. They have Justin Fields. Most people think he has a very high ceiling. The question is not whether Bryce Young is going to be better than Fields. The question is how much better the Bears team would be with Young, plus whatever you could get for Fields, vs. with Fields, plus whatever you can get for that #1 pick. It’s not nearly as simple as whether Young projects to be better. How much better? After all, the object is to have the best team, not necessarily the best QB. All I’ll say is that the most valuable thing to have in the NFL is the #1 draft choice … and not be in need of a QB. Young was making throws in the Sugar Bowl game that I've yet to see Fields make. Personally I think the juries still out on whether or not Fields can be a true franchise caliber QB. He's obviously a great athlete and has shown flashes but nothing sustained in the passing game (and don't tell me that's just on not having good receivers). There were games even at the end of the year you could tell the coaching staff didn't trust him enough to start airing the ball out. However, I think the Bears should trade down (maybe even multiple times). They've got one of the worst rosters top to bottom in the league. The defense (outside of the secondary) is horrendous and the O-Line and receiving corps in total are dreadful as well. Even though I'm much more skeptical than most, to me, Fields has earned the right to see show how far he can go as a QB in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiting89 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, scarab527 said: Young was making throws in the Sugar Bowl game that I've yet to see Fields make. Personally I think the juries still out on whether or not Fields can be a true franchise caliber QB. He's obviously a great athlete and has shown flashes but nothing sustained in the passing game (and don't tell me that's just on not having good receivers). There were games even at the end of the year you could tell the coaching staff didn't trust him enough to start airing the ball out. However, I think the Bears should trade down (maybe even multiple times). They've got one of the worst rosters top to bottom in the league. The defense (outside of the secondary) is horrendous and the O-Line and receiving corps in total are dreadful as well. Even though I'm much more skeptical than most, to me, Fields has earned the right to see show how far he can go as a QB in the league. Yeah it’s tough to judge fields because we don’t see the all 22 films so is it the qb the receivers the o line or a combo of all of them? there is no doubt he is a top notch runner but how is that working out for the ravens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 6 hours ago, WolvesOnTheProwl said: Biggest off season of our lifetimes?? yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I'd pump the brakes on Bryce Young and future NFL success, but that is just me and my concern for 6'0 quarterbacks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Anyone seen this? Impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 14 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: Anyone seen this? Impressive. That ship has sailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Bobref said: That ship has sailed. Shame… wonder why making rounds on Twitter today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 18 hours ago, Whiting89 said: in regards to Justin fields it’s tough because of the financials, it’s probably very tempting to get another rookie qb on a 5 year deal at a bargain vs field expiring in 2-3 years and having to resign or franchise This morning on ESPN I heard Mike Tannenbaum say the Bears should trade Fields for a #1 and a #2, and draft Bryce Young with the #1 pick, so they can “restart the rookie salary scale clock.” Sorry, I can’t get behind the idea of building my franchise around a QB in the age of RPOs who is 6’ and 190 lbs. He might have generational skills. But the most important ability in the NFL is “availability.” After watching what Jalen Hurts has done for Philly this season, and the vast improvement in his passing skills, that’s what I want for my QB. Fields is bigger, faster, and has a better arm than Hurts. If he spends the off season working on technique and mechanics, and they use the draft and their salary cap halfway intelligently, he will break out next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 15 hours ago, scarab527 said: Young was making throws in the Sugar Bowl game that I've yet to see Fields make. Personally I think the juries still out on whether or not Fields can be a true franchise caliber QB. He's obviously a great athlete and has shown flashes but nothing sustained in the passing game (and don't tell me that's just on not having good receivers). There were games even at the end of the year you could tell the coaching staff didn't trust him enough to start airing the ball out. However, I think the Bears should trade down (maybe even multiple times). They've got one of the worst rosters top to bottom in the league. The defense (outside of the secondary) is horrendous and the O-Line and receiving corps in total are dreadful as well. Even though I'm much more skeptical than most, to me, Fields has earned the right to see show how far he can go as a QB in the league. Agreed. The Bears should trade this pick to the Colts for Leonard, Buckner, and Paye, or a 2-player combination of those two and some draft picks. Edited January 10 by Muda69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 11 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: Anyone seen this? Impressive. Yet another taxpayer funded boondoggle. I'll pass. Let the Bears ownership pay for a new stadium out of their pocket. Like the Patriots, Dolphins, Redskins, and Panthers, Giants/Jets, and Rams/Chargers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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