Frozen Tundra Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Per Harrison’s AD on Twitter/X: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Not a bad move given the circumstances and (lack of) options. Harrison has already played Tri-West in the undercard games, so there's some activity already there. Given about three additional slots to fill, it may provide some addition interest from others to round that out. Still provides Harrison the ability to pick up an additional five games out of conference right now which they will need to help them compete in their move to 6A. They will be facing West Lafayette this year for a third consecutive season and that has to be a benefit for both in terms of having an extra "home" game even if if they are away. They may still put Jeff on their schedule too, which both teams need, but frankly given that Jeff voted Harrison out of the NCC, I'd almost like to see Harrison find another 6A opponent to scratch that itch; especially if West Lafayette will be a continued opponent locally. Harrison also has Brebeuf this next season which is also a nice pick-up. Don't know if that's just going to be a home-and-home, but would be interesting to see if that evolves. Harrison has actually played several of the Catholic schools on undercards including Chatard and Cathedral as well as now getting Brebeuf and playing Roncalli in the past as a varsity fill-in game during COVID. Those schools aren't going to leave the Circle City, but as non-con games for Harrison, they would be nice matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, foxbat said: Not a bad move given the circumstances and (lack of) options. Harrison has already played Tri-West in the undercard games, so there's some activity already there. Given about three additional slots to fill, it may provide some addition interest from others to round that out. Still provides Harrison the ability to pick up an additional five games out of conference right now which they will need to help them compete in their move to 6A. They will be facing West Lafayette this year for a third consecutive season and that has to be a benefit for both in terms of having an extra "home" game even if if they are away. They may still put Jeff on their schedule too, which both teams need, but frankly given that Jeff voted Harrison out of the NCC, I'd almost like to see Harrison find another 6A opponent to scratch that itch; especially if West Lafayette will be a continued opponent locally. Harrison also has Brebeuf this next season which is also a nice pick-up. Don't know if that's just going to be a home-and-home, but would be interesting to see if that evolves. Harrison has actually played several of the Catholic schools on undercards including Chatard and Cathedral as well as now getting Brebeuf and playing Roncalli in the past as a varsity fill-in game during COVID. Those schools aren't going to leave the Circle City, but as non-con games for Harrison, they would be nice matches. I mentioned on another site that I could see West Lafayette entertaining the possibility of moving to the Sagamore to be a 6th member. Doing so would then put the Hoosier Conference at 8 members. West Side would still have room in their schedule to keep Central Catholic and at least 1 more rival from the Hoosier, plus potentially get Lafayette Jeff back on the schedule. They fit competitively in the Sagamore and the natural rivalries with Harrison and McCutcheon would make it worth considering a move. Here’s an example of what the opponents could look like for Harrison, McCutcheon, West Side, and Jeff. I listed non-conference opponents first, but these aren’t necessarily in order since this is definitely hypothetical. Harrison Plainfield Brebeuf Lafayette Jeff Kokomo West Lafayette McCutcheon Lebanon Tri-West Danville McCutcheon Guerin Catholic Kokomo Terre Haute South Lafayette Jeff West Lafayette Lebanon Tri-West Danville Harrison West Lafayette (Sagamore) Central Catholic Rensselaer Central Twin Lakes Lafayette Jeff Lebanon Tri-West Danville Harrison McCutcheon Lafayette Jeff Cathedral West Lafayette Harrison McCutcheon Kokomo Marion Muncie Central Anderson Richmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Considering two of those schools, Danville and Tri-West, were relative newcomers to the Sagamore it still sticks in the craw of many that these three schools were able to pry the venerable conference name away from the remaining five members. And those five schools, along AFAIK with a still unnamed sixth school, still haven't announced what this new conference will be called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCGrad92 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 They already have an 8 team conference with Greencastle, Cascade and North Putnam, though still unnamed, and the reason the 3 kept the conference name, is the 5 decided together to leave, and not attempt to remove the 3 that remained. At least that was the reasoning given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_and_10 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) The new conference name will come at some point. It's just a name. Not overly worried about what it's called Edited February 15 by 1st_and_10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 11 hours ago, HoopsCoach said: I mentioned on another site that I could see West Lafayette entertaining the possibility of moving to the Sagamore to be a 6th member. Doing so would then put the Hoosier Conference at 8 members. West Side would still have room in their schedule to keep Central Catholic and at least 1 more rival from the Hoosier, plus potentially get Lafayette Jeff back on the schedule. They fit competitively in the Sagamore and the natural rivalries with Harrison and McCutcheon would make it worth considering a move. Here’s an example of what the opponents could look like for Harrison, McCutcheon, West Side, and Jeff. I listed non-conference opponents first, but these aren’t necessarily in order since this is definitely hypothetical. Harrison Plainfield Brebeuf Lafayette Jeff Kokomo West Lafayette McCutcheon Lebanon Tri-West Danville McCutcheon Guerin Catholic Kokomo Terre Haute South Lafayette Jeff West Lafayette Lebanon Tri-West Danville Harrison West Lafayette (Sagamore) Central Catholic Rensselaer Central Twin Lakes Lafayette Jeff Lebanon Tri-West Danville Harrison McCutcheon Lafayette Jeff Cathedral West Lafayette Harrison McCutcheon Kokomo Marion Muncie Central Anderson Richmond If WL leaves the HC, it would likely singularly shift the dynamic of the conference to a small school conference even with HH and Western still in the conference. For a while, it was often seen as a conference that punched above its weight class. If WL left, and with RCHS going back to 2A and with BC dropping down from 3A to 2A a few seasons ago, that would leave no one in the West in the "bigger school" moniker in the West. Even with HH and Western in the East, that would be seen as a circumstance as opposed to a feature of the conference. That Harrison schedule that you've laid out is a much better set of matchups than they had annually in the NCC, although probably still problematic for a 6A school. The schools that benefit most from a WL move and the schedules you've laid out are WL and McCutcheon. Jeff mainly benefits not from the schedule, as they still get to hang out in the NCC primarily, but from the fact that they are moving down to 5A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 A bit of a surprise, but I thought they'd go after a league with bigger schools. But their location is almost as bad as Terre Haute: two big schools with limited local options. I guess the only other option would be the Northwest Crossroads, and that's a bit of a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjay Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Expanded Indiana Crossroads will be the final spot for TW. 10 team league split into big/small school. Danville and Lebanon will double the size of TW in the next 10 years. Danville will eventually end up in the Mid-State. Lebanon, who knows. ICC Big School- Tri-West, Beech Grove, Monrovia, Speedway, Indian Creek ICC Small School- Triton Central, Lutheran, Scecina, Ritter, Covenant Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, 1st_and_10 said: The new conference name will come at some point. It's just a name. Not overly worried about what it's called I've always liked Sagamore, but the Tecumseh League could be a swell improvement. Imagine the protests... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_and_10 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 59 minutes ago, Gipper said: I've always liked Sagamore, but the Tecumseh League could be a swell improvement. Imagine the protests... I don't think it will be the Tecumseh league. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 38 minutes ago, 1st_and_10 said: I don't think it will be the Tecumseh league. LOL. No way in hell it will, jut drawing on my summer memories at Camp Tecumseh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 5 hours ago, superjay said: Expanded Indiana Crossroads will be the final spot for TW. 10 team league split into big/small school. Danville and Lebanon will double the size of TW in the next 10 years. Danville will eventually end up in the Mid-State. Lebanon, who knows. ICC Big School- Tri-West, Beech Grove, Monrovia, Speedway, Indian Creek ICC Small School- Triton Central, Lutheran, Scecina, Ritter, Covenant Christian I don’t see it happening, but if it did, go a step further and make it 14 schools. Split them into private and public divisions with a crossover/playoff in week 9. That gives all teams a 7-game conference schedule and still leaves 2 weeks open for non-conference games. ICC Private: Heritage Christian, Cardinal Ritter, Scecina, Park Tudor, Covenant Christian, Lutheran, Greenwood Christian ICC Public: Beech Grove, Danville, Indian Creek, Tri-West, Speedway, Monrovia, Triton Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbk2 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 New conference name comes out February 22nd https://t.co/BDbNPGaKiS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 13 hours ago, Jbk2 said: New conference name comes out February 22nd https://t.co/BDbNPGaKiS From the article: Quote Harrison (West Lafayette) and McCutcheon announced Wednesday through the Tippecanoe Valley School Corporation that both will join the Sagamore Conference as full members. *sigh* Basic journalism at the Indianapolis Star continues to go downhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I like the move. Travel costs and times won't be near as bad and hopefully there will be (to borrow from the illustrious DT) competitive balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjay Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 14 hours ago, Gipper said: I like the move. Travel costs and times won't be near as bad and hopefully there will be (to borrow from the illustrious DT) competitive balance. I’ve seen Marion on film. We (TW) will be better competition than them for sure. And most likely better than Tech, Anderson and Richmond. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen Tundra Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 @foxbat @HoopsCoach @superjay Hypothetical scenario for you. If Conference Indiana ever falls apart as it has been rumored for the past few years, could you see a scenario where the Sagamore grabs the two Terre Haute schools? I know that’s a two hour drive from Lafayette but the overall travel for them would still be shorter per season in a Sagamore with the Terre Haute schools than in the NCC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 16 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said: @foxbat @HoopsCoach @superjay Hypothetical scenario for you. If Conference Indiana ever falls apart as it has been rumored for the past few years, could you see a scenario where the Sagamore grabs the two Terre Haute schools? I know that’s a two hour drive from Lafayette but the overall travel for them would still be shorter per season in a Sagamore with the Terre Haute schools than in the NCC. Harrison used to have THS on its non-con calendar back around 2020-2021, so it's not a foreign concept. If I were the Sagamore though, I would hold off on grabbing the Terre Haute schools as I suspect they might have better options; especially if someone like West Lafayette joins. With that, you'd only need a couple of other teams to make an 8-team conference, and you could almost afford to be pickier at that point. I suspect that the NCC, which claimed it kicked Harrison and McCutcheon out due to travel and "competitive balance" will likely turn their sights on Jeff once they realize that they look just like the two folks they kicked out. Jeff might not be too far off from being #6 or #7. If West Lafayette joins and Jeff's a potential, I suspect the TH schools would be in the running only if the conference wanted to get to 10 teams ... which I'm not sure they would want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjay Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Nobody wants the Terre Haute schools. Northview would be a better option. The addition of the Terre Haute schools and/or Jeff would probably force TW to look elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 59 minutes ago, superjay said: Nobody wants the Terre Haute schools. Northview would be a better option. The addition of the Terre Haute schools and/or Jeff would probably force TW to look elsewhere. Why are the Terre Haute schools being shunned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/16/2024 at 11:46 PM, superjay said: I’ve seen Marion on film. We (TW) will be better competition than them for sure. And most likely better than Tech, Anderson and Richmond. Go Kokomo Wildkats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 12 hours ago, psaboy said: Why are the Terre Haute schools being shunned? apparently, you have never been there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 47 minutes ago, Gipper said: apparently, you have never been there. Meh, I spent my college years there. It wasn't that bad. Better than someplace like Muncie. And IMHO the area, at least around the ISU campus, has been cleaned up considerably over the past 10-20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Meh, I spent my college years there. It wasn't that bad. Better than someplace like Muncie. And IMHO the area, at least around the ISU campus, has been cleaned up considerably over the past 10-20 years. noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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