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They could, but the issue there would then be the original item that @1st_and_10 mentioned, which would be teams under SF would be there for three years instead of the usual two years ... that's also my Option 1 in the post. One other option that I left out goes with your idea, but would require doing enrollment next year and then also doing it again in the subsequent year, which would then put enrollment and SF classification back on track and in synch the quickest. It would, however, require a bit of extra effort on the IHSAA's part, which is why I proposed that, if they went this way of just picking up in two years, they would likely take the easy way out and next year just claim that they are going to go one more year with classifications held constant and then pickup under the regular schedule of classifications.

Good question as Success Factor timeline has usually been locked to the enrollment number reclassification too ... killing two birds at the same time so to speak. In this case here, I suspect that the two options that we'll see are 1) three-year Success Factor if enrollment classification comes out next year or 2) the IHSAA will announce this time next year that they are holding off on enrollment reclassification for one more year and that will then put everything back in order based on the past patterning. The one other option that I don't see IHSAA doing would be enrollment reclassification next year and doing the success Factor reclassification the following year as that would make some type of reclassification an annual occurrence: in odd years it would be Success Factor related and in even years it would be enrollment related.

We kept up with our youth players who then played high school and then hit them up when they attended college in town ... either at Purdue or Ivy Tech and got them to come back and help out with the youth program. Some of them came back to the city afterward and stayed on coaching; moving up to the junior high and now a couple help out at the high school level too.

Assuming it would be a "video" conference? 😀

Have not seen this in the three different travel programs that my boys have played in ... the oldest will be playing in a new one this summer as he's too old to play in the one he played in last summer. Coaches have all kept families and kids in mind in scheduling and working out and have continually given parents warning about NOT having kids doing too much outside of practices to make sure that they don't hurt their arms or wear themselves out. Time off around holidays and consultations with families about travel have been the norm. High school coach has encouraged my oldest boy to do something over the summer to keep active, but high school play wasn't condition of doing so. I've heard some horror stories about travel, but haven't experienced it so far with my boys over the programs that we've been part of.

Ohhh ... that's not the Devil, that's the Debbil.

Both of my boys play travel ball, both are altar servers, ... and neither has burst into flames when serving Mass. 🙂

Not sure of the disdain for travel programs. My boys have played travel baseball since they were 9. The oldest is now 14. He plays baseball/football for Harrison and will play club/travel ball during the summer. When he played travel baseball ... he's played on a Lafayette-area team, a team that feeds into LCC, and also in one that has a lot of Harrison kids ... he still played football for LCC's youth program. The youngest played football in LCC's youth program and will continue in Harrison's youth program once the COVID funk lifts. He plays travel/club ball for Harrison-related programs and is already, as a 4th grader, talking about following in his brothers footsteps at Harrison for football and baseball. A part of it is highly tied to keeping kids balanced and, at least in my opinion, finding the right types of travel teams.

We used to do this with Little Gridiron, although it was usually college students. The issue we ran into was inconsistency and, in some cases, absenteeism of some or all officials. The league decided at that point to spend the money and go with Friday-night refs. This happened at least by and probably before the 2002 season when I first coached in LGI. The result was great as, even though it was youth games, the professionalism from the crews elevated the feel of the game for the kids and the fans. Also, the crews that we had were really good in not just doing their jobs, but also helping to educate the kids and the coaches. They provided enough firmness to keep the game controlled while also enough "soft touch" to not discourage the kids and make the game drag on. One thing that our crews expanded to doing was bringing in some of the younger/newer officials. We'd typically get a three-man crew and sometimes that would be two "old-timers" with a new guy who was getting "extra reps." It was a nice opportunity to get a really good service while also getting the extra care from the refs and also giving them an opportunity to also train the new and upcoming guys. Yep. Sundays were much easier for scheduling refs ... and also for getting the stadiums.

I'm brand new to this kind of stuff for high schoolers as my oldest son is in his freshman year. Do events like this also have a component for specialists ... like kickers, punters, long snappers ... or is this more geared toward core positions?

Actually, it's probably more the house that John Schuemann built. Rohrman's legacy is tied much more to the arts at Jeff with the Rohrman PAC. You can also make an argument for Schuemann's ties to the arts too as, while he's known at Jeff for the stadium, among other things, part of the driving force in the stadium expansion was creating a place large enough for the marching band to be able to host large-scale competitions.

There's a spreadsheet called school-enrollment-ethnicity-and-free-reduced-price-meal-status-2006-20-1.xlsx on the site that contains ethnicity as well as free/reduced numbers. Have to use a little Excel skill to get rates, but fairly doable.

Harrison still plays a freshman schedule. Had over 50 kids play freshman ball this past season. McCutcheon also fields a freshman squad too.

No disrespect, because there's a certain character to it, but you've obviously not visited The Pit in person. 🙂

On any given day, there are half a dozen teams capable of ruining any other team's day or sometimes season. Fun fact ... in the past decade, the Hoosier Conference has sent four different teams to LOS, across seven of the ten years, and produced six blue rings. across three classes.

Hence the agreement that what the topic is probably really hitting at is "rural" as opposed to the term "county."

Would agree. Harrison and McCutcheon are both considered "county schools" as part of TSC.

Got a ways to go. Here's 2020-2022 numbers out of Texas for classifications at the top of 6A. Plano is 10-12 and Plano East and Plano West are 11-12, but Texas has different ways of calculating enrollment based on the ability to determine 9th and/or 10th grade classes. They also count half students too ... anyone with four or less hours of daily instruction is classified as a half student for enrollment purposes. Carmel might well go the same way where they just open a 9-10 campus and an 11-12 campus, but I suspect that IHSAA would adopt a similar way of classifying "partial school" like Texas does.

That's going to bite with Jeff or Harrison getting knocked out by end of sectionals. I didn't mind it that much when it was McCutcheon getting knocked out by Harrison by end of sectionals. 😃

I wouldn't be surprised if they just said that they are using the same classifications from the previous two-year classification period, adjusting for SF movement where necessary, and they will re-classify, with new two-year numbers, next spring.

You do realize that the Big-12 went went 5-0 in end-of-season bowls this year? You do also realize that a decent number of kids that play SEC ball come from Texas high schools too, right? Incidentally, you do realize that in the last four years, three of the four #1 NFL draft picks played Texas high school football? And two of them played in the Big 12. The other played for Texas A&M. Incidentally, the two games where the Big 12 played the SEC "come tournament time?" TCU vs. Arkansas was cancelled, but TCU was predicted by several outlets ... and Oklahoma spanked Florida 55-20. Also, a Texas high school player and Big 12 player has been the QB for the Chiefs for the last two SB's. and is 1-1 there. You continually malign Texas/Big12 football with the paintbrush, but then the numbers don't bear it out.

This is a similar to some of the schools in the Plano district in Texas ... north of Dallas. Plano East and Plano West service Grades 11 and 12 and are each in turn fed by a pair of high schools that service Grades 9 and 10. Plano East also handles freshen/sophomores who are part of the IB curriculum. Plano East is fed by McMillen and Williams high schools and Plano West is fed by Jasper and Shelton high schools. This setup allows Plano West and East to have enrollments of around 2,700 and almost 3,000, respectively, while not over-burdening resources at a single school.

Originally, I thought that the 32 in 1A would provide smaller teams more opportunity than they've had and, to some extent that would be true, but I ran some quick back-of-the-envelope numbers and I'm not sure that limiting teams to 32 in 1A drastically changes the landscape other than providing more opportunities to pick up red rings. In looking at when teams won 1A state and their enrollments using current numbers, the following teams would have been unable to have played in the 1A state title game due to enrollment in the last decade ... * indicates won state and ** indicates lost at state to a team that would have been in the bottom 32: Covenant Christian * South Adams Eastern Greene ** Linton * and ** Eastern Hancock ** Scecina ** Pioneer's right on the borderline, but I think they are closer to the bottom 32 than the top 32, so I included them in the bottom 32. If you include them in the "upper 32" they would have both * and ** and Eastern Greene would fall off of the list. If we go back two decades, using today's numbers, the list would grow a bit: Fountain Central ** Ritter * Sheridan * Knightstown Seeger * South Putnam ** Perry Central ** Note that, even with the bigger teams, many of them succumbed to teams that would have been put in the lower 32 by enrollment ... even more so in the last decade.

Same reason some say potato and some say potatu. 😃

This certainly used to be the trend, but it may, potentially, be in flux if recent standings hold as a trend. Harrison has been the NCC champ in track twice: 2018 and 2019 ... although the state finals were not held last year. Jeff also has two titles in track: 1972 and 2002. Cross country has Harrison with two: 2018 and 2019 and Jeff with six ... its most recent two coming in 2014 and 2015. In looking at state finals, 2018 was the last set as 19-20 was cancelled because of COVID. Results there are interesting: For regionals: 100-meter dash finals: Harrison 5th, Jeff 6th 110-meter hurdles final - Harrison 3rd and 8th, Jeff no place 200-meter dash - Jeff 3rd, Harrison no place 1600-meter run - Harrison 2nd and 3rd, Jeff no place 4x100-meter relay - Harrison 2nd, Jeff 6th 400-meter dash - Harrison 10th, Jeff no place 300-meter hurdles - Harrison 10th, Jeff no place 800-meter run - Harrison 1st, Jeff no place 3200-meter run - Harrison 3rd and 8th, Jeff no place 4x400 relay - Harrison 6th, Jeff no place I didn't pull state yet ... running off to work. Will take a look, but the times they may be a changin'.