Footballking16

East St Louis is the only school district in America to ever consolidate? I guess I do learn something new every day.

It's not a ridiculous comparison. It's an impoverished area with similar demographics to that of the Tech High School makeup who excels in many sports despite that fact. Temp has told us for years that if you have an 80-90% f/r lunch rate and aren't in the top half of your classification enrollment, you have no chance of succeeding athletically. ESL is a singular example that completely contradicts this narrative on top of the many examples I have provided in the past.

Is that not what IPS has done over the years? Shutdown multiple high schools to consolidate down towards one bigger high school? And IPS is 6x larger than ESLD, not sure you know what you're talking about.

Implement some kind of youth/feeder program sponsored by the IPS. Make Tech an attractive high school again. If every Tech district player didn't play for X private school or X Twp school and instead actually played at Tech, your attitude about Tech not being to compete would drastically change because you and I both know better. But because IPS doesn't care, why should any Tech area kid care to play there? It's a two-way street. I've given you plenty of examples over the years of other inner-city districts around the country all fielding highly competitive football teams all with lesser enrollments and similar f/r lunch participants. I suggest Tech start there.

I've never used the word dominant, EVER, when describing a possible future for a program like Tech. More like "better" or "more competitive". Again you're reaching. It can stretch to whatever necessary measure. If East St. Louis can put together a nationally rated football program, Tech certainly can win 6 or 7 games once in a blue moon. One school district tries, the other doesn't. Nick Saban didn't win anything until he went to LSU, you know a school with a proud tradition who is all-in.

Why do you have to go to the most extremes? CG is the pinnacle of Indiana High School Football. I'm not asking Tech, Perry, or Southport to become the best high school football program in the state nor do I think it's attainable. But you're delusional if you don't think with the right support staff and commitment from the ground up that Tech could become more than a respectable football program.

Which hood?

Wait till he finds out that there are *inner city districts all over the country (outside of Indiana) that have teams who dominate at the state level with 80-90% of the school population on f/r lunch. *I suspect he already knows however. High school football talent is almost ALWAYS cyclical.

Carmel's youth programs, especially at the Junior High level, is in shambles I've been told. Participation numbers are significantly down and the most affluent of the Junior High's had some of the lowest numbers they've ever seen. There seems to be some real disconnect between the high school program and the junior high feeder schools. How much of that lies solely on the varsity coaching staff can be debated but it's definitely factoring in to their recent lack of success.

You can keep doing this all night. It won’t ever change the fact that the root of the problem is the same common denominator; lack of commitment/structure at the lower levels.

Again, also on North Central. There was a period in time not too long ago that Washington Twp didn’t have a youth football program in existence. Inexcusable.

Like I said, that’s on Tech/IPS.

I disagree with Temp that having 5,000 students is a detriment, but do agree in a sense that at some point enrollment becomes redundant/irrelevant. If you have 2500-3000 kids in your school and can’t find 60-80 boys to field a competitive football team, that’s on you.

I mean Carmel essentially won basically back to back state titles in 19 and 21 (tourney cancelled in 20 after winning sectional and likely favorite to come out of the North). Carmel might not be the favorite to win 4A this year but they're certainly a top 10 team if not better.

In Cathedral's 3 stints at the 6A level 2015: 2 OT loss to Avon in regional final 2016: Drubbing to eventual 6A champion Ben Davis in the regional who went 15-0 and arguably one of the best 6A teams ever 2022: Semi-state loss to eventual 6A Center Grove, a team they beat earlier in the season. Should be noted Cathedral avenged their only regular season loss to Brownsburg the round prior. Don't think depth has ever been the root of the problem. It certainly wasn't in 2015 and 2022 and nobody in 6A was touching that 2016 Ben Davis team.

I didn't say they played a MIC or HCC equivalent schedule, I said they played a 6A equivalent schedule.

They play a 6A equivalent schedule during the regular season so not really sure that argument holds much water. They've lost to the eventual 6A champion in 2/3 years they've played in the 6A tournament.

I have a tough time believing Stalions was attending games on his own dime without the direction of a certain individual at the top. Military men are naturally good at following “orders”.

A former boat owner or something like that once told me boats don’t buy happiness, just DUI attorneys and misery.

You sound miserable

Because this is the first year Brian Hartline has ever held a title above position coach and if he really wants the Ohio State job down the road, getting some experience, especially in conference, probably isn't a terrible idea. And $4-4.5 million a year is a lot more than $1.6 million. His ability to recruit obviously makes him attractive, but if you're a bigger program, gambling on a 36 year old with very little play-calling duties is a decent risk. IU however couldn't get any worse. Now, it's very possible OSU has named him CIW internally and they won't let him leave, but I imagine Hartline at some point is going to want to take on a role where he has much more responsibility. I like Shepard but he's like the D-list version of Hartline. Has never held a title past Co-OC (which he didn't call the plays) and I think just lacks the experience to be thrown into a job like IU.

Late 80's Temp?

My question is: How dumb or negligent would you have to be to get caught doing something like this? I haven't heard one instance of a team getting caught doing this in all my years of existence and didn't even know there was such a rule that existed, apparently enacted in 1994. Most B10 stadiums seat what, 70-80k? How do you get caught doing something like this in a sea of people that big and have it trace all the way back to Michigan?

I'll be the first to question if Michigan is actually the only team that does this, but man, Michigan and Harbaugh just can't help themselves.

Oh they're terrible, and worst part they don't care. They would be on a relegation short list of P5 teams.