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While I think it would be great to have a Playoff instead of a Tournament, I am not disappointed with the All in tournament at all. I think it could be improved upon but there are aspects I enjoy about the all in tournament. I care for it when it is mentioned using Sagarin when it comes to this discussion because Sagarin wouldn't likely be used (it doesn't take into account out of state games which several teams do play against). I do think Calpreps is very useful for it. I will give a good example of the aspect I do like about the all in tournament. In 2017 Mooresville was 1-8 at the end of the season. They absolutely would not have made the playoffs using Calpreps they were ranked 34 out of 64 teams in the final rankings (likely were lower prior to the tournament). Coming into sectionals they beat Connersville and New Castle making it to the Sectional Championship and losing to Mid-State Conference foe Greenwood (who was ranked 6th in Calpreps). It wasn't a cinderella story of a team making it to the State Finals. What it "did" do though was they won a couple games building some confidence which propelled them to going 8-1 the next season (lone loss was to Decatur Central), winning Sectionals and losing a tight close game in Regionals to Marion 19-13. Any of the 3 teams Mooresville, Marion, or Evansville Central that year could have been in the 4A State Championship against FW Dwenger. It ended up being Ev Central after they beat Marion in Evansville (still think that has to be the longest travel in IHSAA tournament for Semi-State ever). Ev Central lost to FW Dwnger in 4 OT's. I don't look at it as it should be All In Format because of the Cinderella story. I look at it as getting in and getting that extra game maybe two or three with a win or two; can really propel a team for the next season. That is the aspect I like about the All In Tournament vs a Playoff format. Don't get me wrong there are benefits to a Playoff format too.

I just went by the comment in the post that stated: "the extremely blatant missed foul call on the obvious tackle by the Cathedral RT from behind on the LB who beat him around the edge on the deciding TD". I provided the deciding TD. Here is the 4th down play though.

I agree it would be great to make these games really exciting. That being said in reality the reason why States like Ohio and Texas have a qualify tournament isn't really to make football better and more exciting although that is the bi-product of having the qualify. The true reason these states have a qualifying format playoff instead of a post season tournament is because the have so many schools playing football they have to have a qualifying format. In all honesty Indiana with 330 football playing schools that is a lower number that can do an all in format. Ohio and Texas don't have that luxury. While I personally think a Qualifying playoff format would be great I think anyone would have a difficult time getting the IHSAA to do that.

See Below Here is the go ahead score by Cathedral. Please tell me where the obvious tackle by the Cathedral RT is. The RT is #76 (Note I saw no CG player tackled to the ground by an Offensive Lineman.

Yeah I don't buy into the demoralizing. Coach Moore is a fantastic coach. I personally feel this is a great tool for Coach Moore. The players feel the sting and he will have them pumped and ready to go. It wasn't a loss to a lesser team. It was a loss to a good team and Coach Moore will use it as motivation to get better in every aspect,

They may not have accounted for the final TD yardage 60 yards. While it may look to be a run sometimes it is actually a pass play (shovel pass). I would bet the digital scout is likely 60 yards more rushing and 60 less passing because of that one play. I wasn't trying to discredit your post.

Not just 1 catching weapon either. I honestly thought CG found made adjustments and did a good job 2nd and 3rd qtr. It looked as though when CG made their adjustment Cathedral eventually made some adjustments to find holes. Still there were many plays even though it was a reception by the Irish the Trojans had a player with a hand on the ball or were right there so they were contested receptions. It wasn't a blown coverage wide open receiver.

He definitely is, it is hard to believe he is only a Junior. He will likely shatter all QB records at Cathedral when he is done playing (He has already overtaken them). That being said last year you told me about Cherry at QB for CG, he looks to be a very solid QB for the Trojans. You said he would be solid and he definitely looks good to me.

It was actually 410 yds not 351. CG definitely did some things that were working 2nd and 3rd qtr. Even quite a few of the big pass plays in the 4th qtr there was at least a defender with their hand on the ball or right there.

Just want to clear up for anyone wanting to watch this. The game will be on WHMB TV40 but it will not be live streamed on their website (I am assuming because Center Grove will be live streaming Pay Per View so WHMB can't live stream). It will be on the tape delay at 10pm on WHMB TV40. You can watch live only by paying for the Center Grove live stream on IHSAATV.org or listen on the radio on 1260AM or I-Heart Radio FoxSports1260.

My Father still talks about the 1968 game he attended 8-0-1 Indianapolis Cathedral @ 9-0 Indianapolis Washington. Where Cathedral won 20-7. He told me George McGinnis and Steve Downing weren't only great basketball players but pretty darn good football players too.

It was a great game! It was very close to seeing a rematch in Semi-State too. Cathedral lost a close 2 OT Regional game at Avon 37-34. Then after Avon won that 2 OT game against Cathedral, they lost at CG in 2 OT 35-34. Some great football games that year for sure.

Brownsburg vs Ben Davis is definitely a brutal first round draw. Tough break for Coach West getting CG in first game, they are improved maybe not to CG's level but still improved. Not an easy day for the Spartans drawing The Royals for first game!

Still one of the most impressive records to me! 6 of those 10 losses came over 2 seasons as they were in kind of rebuilding after losing an outstanding group of players that had only 2 losses in their 4 years. Coach Ralph is definitely great at what he does in the weight room, on the practice field, in the game planning, etc.

Back in @PHJIrishday a Roncalli (formerly Sacred Heart) and Shortridge game would have been a decent matchup!

This game has always been strange. Years when I think it is going to be a defensive struggle it ends up being 44-38 or 44-41. Years where I think it will be an offensive shootout it ends up being 7-0, 14-9, or 17-13. It has always been strange. Both teams have always gone all out too and didn't hold much back like others would think because it is the last game prior to the tournament.

Both could be competitive with 6A top teams. I wouldn't say either are the definite best team in the State regardless of class. I would say they are among the best teams in the State. A list that includes Brownsburg, Center Grove, Cathedral, New Pal, and Roncalli. Right now New Pal's most significant win was against a good Westfield team (Rock's aren't as good as the last 2 years but they are still a solid team). Decatur Central is not very good this year and Mount Vernon is down from last year. New Pal definitely has beefed up their schedule the last few years with non-conference games, nobody expected Decatur Central to be 3-5 and nothing in New Pal's control. They still could compete with any of the top teams in the State no doubt. Roncalli has a solid win over Louisville Male who is good but not great (even though they beat Trinity they are 4-3). They did lose a close one to a good but not great Elder team. Roncalli is a little 1 dimensional but very good at that dimension. I would put New Pal at #4 or #5 in the State and Roncalli at #6 or #7. I think CalPreps has New Pal at #5 and Roncalli at #7.

Tibbs has played 1 less game (4 games) and Wooten has played 2 less (3 games). Cathedral has really spread the ball around between their WR's and TE's They have 2 WR's (Ayers and Tibbs) and 2 TE's (Wooten and Meeks) that they spread it around pretty well between. There is a reason their QB through 5 games has only thrown 1 INT (that 1 INT was from a pass that he was hit from behind as he was throwing). He is very accurate and doesn't take unnecessary risk finding any open receiver.

Chatard hasn't come off of Cathedral's regular season schedule since at least 1989. (Cathedral leads series 29-19) Brebeuf and Cathedral have played each other 21 times since 1971 (Cathedral leads series 17-4). Cathedral and Ritter haven't played each other since 2003. Cathedral and Scecina haven't played each other since 1984. Cathedral and Roncalli haven't played each other in the regular season since 2010, but they have met in the tournament 4 times after that. I believe I read an artical last year that Cathedral and Roncalli will resume playing in the regular season in 2023 or 2024. Most of the scheduling issues for Cathedral are because while they are independent it is tough to schedule Indiana opponents weeks 3-7 because they are in conference play.

Or burying mines in the outfield.

Entire broadcast showed them from about the 20 to the 35.

and those who can't make it can watch it on IHSAAtv

I don't see any of the donut county schools listed as Indianapolis Area schools here: https://www.greatschools.org/indiana/indianapolis/schools/?gradeLevels[]=h

Greenwood school district borders Marion County on the north side of Johnson County. Whiteland is south of Greenwood. I consider any school within Marion County a Indianapolis area school. My list of schools playing football: Arsenal Tech, Crispus Attucks, Washington, Shortridge, Beech Grove, Decatur Central, Franklin Central, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, Perry Meridian, Southport, Pike, Speedway, Warren Central, North Central, Ben Davis, Christel House Manual, Tindley, Bishop Chatard, Brebeuf Jesuit, Cardinal Ritter, Cathedral, Covenant Christian, Heritage Christian, Lutheran, Park Tudor, Roncalli, Scecina Memorial, Indiana Deaf, and Purdue Polytechnic

I do not consider Westfield an Indy area school either.