The Democrat's roster for a Trump - beater in 2020

[Muda69]

25 minutes ago, DanteEstonia said:

Is your assessment of PERS based on the most biased source possible?

Isn't yours?  If you can find an unbiased source to accurately refute that assessment then by all means please do so.  And BTW, some sort of statement or study released by PERS would not count as an unbiased source.

 

 

[swordfish]

Joe Biden - You can't go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have an Indian accent.

 

[TheStatGuy]

1 hour ago, swordfish said:

Joe Biden - You can't go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have an Indian accent.

 

You are such hypocrite.

[swordfish]

38 minutes ago, TheStatGuy said:

You are such hypocrite.

?????

[Muda69]

Biden Plays the Catholic Card

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/biden-plays-the-catholic-card/

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In a speech in Ohio last week, President Trump remarked that presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden aims to “take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment,” adding: “No religion, no anything. Hurt the Bible, hurt God. He’s against God, he’s against guns.”

Biden took umbrage at this rather incoherent assertion, issuing a statement that called his faith “the bedrock foundation” of his life — though nowhere in his lengthy response did he mention Catholicism, the specific faith he professes. Some of Biden’s supporters used Trump’s comments as an occasion to tout Biden’s faith, such as this inaccurate tweet from The Lincoln Project:

Joe Biden is a devout catholic and regularly attends Sunday service.

The last time Trump went to church, he gassed peaceful Americans.

— The Lincoln Project 🏴‍☠️ (@ProjectLincoln) August 7, 2020

The theme of Biden as a devout Catholic has received plenty of media attention over his decades in public life, most often because he tends to point to his faith background to justify certain parts of his policy platform, such as his support for a vast welfare state and unlimited immigration, as well as his opposition to capital punishment.

But when it comes to subjects on which the Left disagrees vehemently with the Catholic Church — where progressivism conflicts with the Church’s nonnegotiable dogma rather than merely with the views of some of its prelates on prudential matters such as immigration or climate change — Biden falls curiously silent about its tenets.

Though he has often referred to himself as “personally pro-life,” for instance, the former vice president has spent his entire career backing legal abortion, and he’s grown more supportive of it over the years.

As a senator, he was a long-time supporter of the bipartisan Hyde amendment, which prohibits federal Medicaid funding from directly reimbursing for elective abortion procedures. But last summer, Biden abandoned that position — a final vestige of his supposed personal opposition to abortion and respect for the consciences of pro-lifers. He  now formally embraces taxpayer-funded abortion.

Meanwhile, he has promised to nominate only Supreme Court justices who believe that Roe v. Wade was rightly decided, and he has vowed to “codify Roe.” This is current Democratic Party parlance for “support only policies that ensure elective abortion remains legal throughout pregnancy.” He has not in this election cycle enumerated a single restriction on abortion that he would find acceptable.

On marriage, gender, and religious liberty, as on abortion, Biden has studiously moved to the left along with his party. As Barack Obama’s vice president, he joined the administration in coercing religious employers, including Catholic universities and an order of charitable Catholic nuns, to subsidize contraception and abortion-inducing drugs, which violate Church teaching on human sexuality and the dignity of the human person. In so doing, he disrespected not only the religious freedom of the groups involved but also some of Catholicism’s most fundamental teachings.

When the Supreme Court decided last month that the Trump administration had the authority to grant religious orders such as the Little Sisters of the Poor an exemption from that contraceptive mandate, Biden issued a statement promising to undo those exemptions if elected. He is so wedded to the progressive agenda, in other words, that he would authorize his administration to haul nuns who care for the elderly poor to court when they follow the precepts of the very faith he himself claims to embrace.

But these glaring contradictions have done little to stop the media, including self-identified Catholic outlets, from heaping adulation on Biden for his supposed dedication to Church teaching, most often in an attempt to draw a contrast between him and Trump.

In the National Catholic Reporter — the same outlet whose executive editor recently opined that socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is “the future of the Catholic Church” in the U.S. — writer Christopher White penned a lengthy profile of Biden, elaborating on how his “Catholic roots” have shaped his political career. Here’s part of how White puts it (though he does note later on that Biden’s stance on abortion has drawn criticism from Church officials):

Biden credits those Catholic roots — which first took seed in parishes and parochial schools in Pennsylvania and Delaware — with teaching him the importance of the human dignity of all people, a core principle of Catholic social teaching. They also shaped his understanding of solidarity, especially with the poor and the working class, which he regularly cites when talking about job security and economic policy.

With the assistance of articles such as these, Biden’s campaign has undertaken a vigorous “faith outreach” program, making the pitch that he could chip away at Trump’s base by appealing to some religious conservatives.

The Church’s teachings on human nature and sexuality are not, of course, all that it has to offer a secular world in need of the Gospel. And whatever is in Biden’s heart when it comes to his faith is, ultimately, between him and his maker. But given his longstanding, public opposition to key components of the Catholic faith — on issues as fundamental as the dignity and value of every human life from conception to death — he shouldn’t expect religious conservatives to buy the message that his witness to his faith is reason enough to support him.

 

[Muda69]

Bernie Sanders Just Gave Joe Biden a Very Expensive Wish List

https://reason.com/2020/08/18/bernie-sanders-just-gave-joe-biden-a-very-expensive-wish-list/

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Much of the first night of the Democratic National Convention pitched the nomination of former Vice President Joe Biden as a "return to normalcy" as viewers were bombarded with politicians, celebrities, and ordinary Americans expressing their belief that Biden is a decent and honorable guy who might restore some sense of dignity to the country's highest office.

The most notable exception to that theme came from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.), the democratic socialist who finished second to Biden in this spring's primary campaign.

Sanders, of course, paid the necessary lip service to Biden's centrist, restorative avatar as well, but the senator also used his speech to look forward, effectively committing a future President Biden to an impossibly long list of progressive policy goals, from promising a $15 national minimum wage to a nationwide shift to renewable energy sources:

Joe supports raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour. This will give 40 million workers a pay raise and push the wage scale up for everyone else.

Joe will also make it easier for workers to join unions, create 12 weeks of paid family leave, fund universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, and make child care affordable for millions of families.

Joe will rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and fight the threat of climate change by transitioning us to 100 percent clean electricity over the next 15 years. These initiatives will create millions of good-paying jobs all across the country.

As you know, we are the only industrialized nation not to guarantee health care for all people. While Joe and I disagree on the best path to get to universal coverage, he has a plan that will greatly expand health care and cut the cost of prescription drugs. Further, he will lower the eligibility age of Medicare from 65 to 60.

To help reform our broken criminal justice system, Joe will end private prisons and detention centers, cash bail, and the school to prison pipeline.

Biden has shifted noticeably to the left during the past year—and he's done so by working closely with Sanders and some of Sanders' top campaign advisers to craft a 110-page proposal that does indeed include many of the ideas Sanders touched on in his convention speech. The Biden-Sanders Unity Task Force's recommendations also include some things Sanders did not mention, like canceling up to $50,000 in student debt for individuals who find work as educators and adopting more restrictive trade policies, as Reason's Peter Suderman has noted.

But even after Biden has been forced to tack left by an increasingly progressive Democratic Party, it seems unlikely that he would be able to accomplish much of what Sanders has described. Transitioning to 100 percent renewable energy within 15 years would require effectively banning fossil fuels. Someone should ask California how that is working out. Ending cash bail is a good idea, but it's a state policy that the president has little control over. And raising the minimum wage (a mixed federal/state issue) when the unemployment rate is around 10 percent will likely only make it harder for unemployed people to find work. Indeed, some states are facing pressure to freeze planned minimum wage increases due to the economic disruptions caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.

Specifics aside, Sanders' speech at the virtual convention on Monday night was probably meant to accomplish two things: First, it's a signal to his most hardcore supporters that they should set aside any misgivings and vote for Biden in November—his lack of a full-throated endorsement for Hillary Clinton may have hurt her in 2016 (or at least she seems to think so). Second, it was meant to give Biden's rusty weather vane one more shove to the left.

But if progressives expect Biden to do all that, they will likely end up disappointed.

 

[swordfish]

The featured speaker at tonight's democrat convention......(Yeah I know - that's not a plane)

Edited August 18, 2020 by swordfish

[Irishman]

Honest question to Trump supporters....so, with the Epstein thing, we know that Bill Clinton was a sleazeball. I never voted for him, and do not look back in regret on that. But is Trump’s immorality being excused, or overlooked while pointing the finger at Clinton and others, including Biden? Sure Bill is the featured speaker tonight, but Trump is the featured speaker at the Republican Convention, right? 

[DanteEstonia]

29 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Honest question to Trump supporters....so, with the Epstein thing, we know that Bill Clinton was a sleazeball. I never voted for him, and do not look back in regret on that. But is Trump’s immorality being excused, or overlooked while pointing the finger at Clinton and others, including Biden? Sure Bill is the featured speaker tonight, but Trump is the featured speaker at the Republican Convention, right? 

The core of the GOP and conservatism is hypocrisy.

[Muda69]

GOP Hawks Are Turning Out for Biden

https://reason.com/2020/08/19/gop-hawks-are-turning-out-for-biden/

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Former Secretary of State Colin Powell was the surprise Republican who popped up at Tuesday night's edition of the Democratic National Convention, where he delivered a blistering assessment of President Donald Trump's foreign policy and endorsed Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

"With Joe Biden in the White House, you will never doubt that he will stand with our friends and stand up to our adversaries," Powell said. "He will restore America's leadership in the world and restore the alliances we need to address the dangers that threaten our nation."

As if the message wasn't clear enough, the DNC followed up with a short video retrospective about the cross-aisle friendship between Biden and the late Republican Sen. John McCain.

It's not all that surprising that some George W. Bush-era Republicans have crossed over to Biden's side this time around: Trump's victory in the 2016 Republican primary was a repudiation of the Bush era of Republican politics—a time when Powell and McCain were key players in national politics—and the ill-advised, intractable wars that were launched during it. The Trump era has caused many problems for the Republican Party and for America as a whole, but one of the few good things to come of the last four years has been the exile of the neoconservatives to the political wilderness.

And yet, Trump's victory over the architects of America's early 2000s foreign policy disasters seems hollow. He largely failed to follow through on the mandate he was handed by the voters who chose him over his more interventionist opponents in both the Republican primary and the general election.

It's true that Trump hasn't launched any new wars. But the number of drone strikes conducted by the U.S. military has risen under his watch. He sent more troops into Afghanistan and is only now drawing those levels back down to where they were when he took office. In a memorable interview with Axios's Jonathan Swan a few weeks ago, Trump could offer few specifics about when he would finish off a long-planned withdrawal from America's longest war. When pressed to say how many troops would remain in Afghanistan on Election Day, Trump said "probably anywhere from four [thousand] to 5,000."

Instead of bringing the troops home, he's merely shuffled them around the Middle East with little apparent purpose other than occasionally suggesting that America ought to seize the region's oil supply.

Trump's fans say he has reoriented huge amounts of America's foreign policy, but how much of that is beneficial or lasting? Yes, Trump has picked some silly fights with European leaders and nudged them to contribute a larger share toward NATO.

But everywhere else, Trump has squandered this opportunity. His confrontation with China has imposed millions of dollars of new taxes on American consumers and businesses, failed to produce meaningful changes in U.S.-China trade policy, and potentially set the world's two biggest economies on course for a new cold war. Surely there must be a more skillful—or at least a less economically damaging way—to oppose China's illiberal behavior at home and abroad. If only Trump hadn't alienated the very allies that might make a different approach possible.

Anyone who wants to see America take a less militant approach to the world's problems shouldn't be cheering for neocons to build a new nest within the Democratic Party. And the fact that Trump, who has at times seemed legitimately appalled by some of the horrors of war, wasted four years by failing to undo the mistakes Powell and his friends made is a tragedy.

Uni-party.

 

[swordfish]

21 hours ago, Irishman said:

Honest question to Trump supporters....so, with the Epstein thing, we know that Bill Clinton was a sleazeball. I never voted for him, and do not look back in regret on that. But is Trump’s immorality being excused, or overlooked while pointing the finger at Clinton and others, including Biden? Sure Bill is the featured speaker tonight, but Trump is the featured speaker at the Republican Convention, right? 

You are assuming that I cast my vote based on Trump's morality.......You are wrong......I trusted him to do the job and do it well........But, I would certainly be able to without any doubt based on the evidence I can see, place him well above Bill Clinton any day on a "morality" chart......only slightly higher than Biden.....but we have over 40 years of Government service records to look at for the former VP......

[Impartial_Observer]

21 hours ago, Irishman said:

Honest question to Trump supporters....so, with the Epstein thing, we know that Bill Clinton was a sleazeball. I never voted for him, and do not look back in regret on that. But is Trump’s immorality being excused, or overlooked while pointing the finger at Clinton and others, including Biden? Sure Bill is the featured speaker tonight, but Trump is the featured speaker at the Republican Convention, right? 

As we have discussed, how sad is it in 2020 these are our options. To the best of my knowledge, Trump has never been accused of doing the hokey pokey with a subordinate, much less a 19 year old intern. I'm old school, infidelity is an despicable in my opinion. I stood up in front of a bunch of friends, family, and someone's god and made a commitment, I take that very serious. However, if infidelity were the sole measuring stick for political candidates, I wouldn't be voting much, at least at the national level. Clinton got busted with a subordinate, a 19 year old intern, that's a line you simply can't cross in my opinion. He would have been shown the door in pretty much any corporate setting. Not to mention, her life was basically destroyed. Clinton got his hand smacked, finished his term, and my guess post presidential years, banging everything that moved, and making a boat load of money doing speaking engagements, and god bless him if that's what he spent his time doing, so long as they were consenting adults. 

The fact that Clinton spoke, although buried early before the broadcast networks picked it up, is somewhat amazing to me. Historically past presidents ride off into the sunset. The Democrats have two rock stars in the organization, Clinton and BHO, neither of them can run for president, but seemingly those are the guys that attract any kind of attention.

[Muda69]

Americans Rightly Tune Out the Democratic National Convention

https://reason.com/2020/08/20/americans-rightly-tune-out-to-democratic-national-convention/

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In a presidential election in which a record-high percentage of Americans (25 percent overall, including 37 percent of independents) agree that neither major-party candidate "would make a good president," it makes sense that traditional viewership for the Democratic National Convention (DNC) is tanking. The shift to an all-online convention, including a high number of pre-taped speeches, certainly hasn't done anything for the intensity of audience engagement.

According to the ratings service Nielsen, the first night of the DNC pulled about 19.7 million viewers across broadcast and cable stations, down from 26 million viewers in 2016. The second night of the convention had about 19.2 million watchers, down from about 25 million four years ago. Nielsen hasn't released ratings for last night yet.

A spokesman for Joe Biden, TJ Ducklo, tweeted triumphantly after the first night that "28.9 million Americans tuned in to @DemConvention last night across TV & digital platforms, up from 2016 & shattering the previous record for digital streams, which totaled 10.2m even as numbers still come in." But Duckclo didn't include any source for his estimate of digital viewership, leading NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik to ask, "Where are you deriving streaming figures from?" No answer was forthcoming.

Apart from partisan hype, measuring the online audience is no simple matter. It is surely higher than in 2016, but it's far from clear that its growth would more than cover the decline in cable and broadcast watching. CNN Digital, which tracks audience on that channel's multimedia desktop site and mobile apps, reports that "digital multiplatform unique visitors and video starts are up 38% and 19% versus the second day of the 2016 DNC." But the channel also said that just "53k users live stream[ed] the average minute of the convention programming from 9-11p.m. (equivalent to the way TV ratings are calculated). Digital average audience was up +6% from day 2 of the conventions in 2016."

A 6 percent increase in digital average audience and 53,000 people livestreaming the DNC during its peak time are nothing to write home about, even if you multiply such figures out over other platforms and sites. With historically low levels of enthusiasm for either the Republican or Democratic candidate, the Biden campaign's claim to record viewership is highly dubious. 

The national conventions long ago stopped being a place where any real news might happen or where unscripted events would reveal something authentic or telling. The shift to online-only underscores the reality that the DNC and RNC are infomercials pitched to the parties' bases rather than events designed to reach out to uncommitted voters. The rest of us will simply have to bide our time for a more substantive discussion of the country's uncertain future. It's not clear when or whether we'll have presidential debates but if we do, they will certainly go a long way to settling questions about the mental acuity of Trump and Biden. And they might actually put some electricity into an election surprisingly devoid of energy despite the hyperbolic rhetoric of partisans declaring it (yet again!) as the most-important election in our lifetime.

There was a Democratic National Convention?

 

[Muda69]

A Vote for Joe Biden Is a Vote for a National Mask Mandate, Says Biden

https://reason.com/2020/08/21/a-vote-for-joe-biden-is-a-vote-for-a-national-mask-mandate-says-biden/

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The Democratic convention wraps up. Former Vice President Joe Biden formally accepted the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential nomination last night with an address from the virtual Democratic National Convention. Biden's message, like the messages from other convention speakers talking about him, boiled down to I am a normal human being with normal levels of human empathy and a normal family, I won't be embarrassing on the national stage or in front of your children, and I won't put my own needs before the country's.

It was light on actual policy prescriptions, but strategically speaking it was probably what the moment called for, and Biden delivered it well. (Watch the whole thing here.) He did mention one highly specific policy prescription, though: Biden casually dropped a call for a national mask mandate.

Biden has been mentioning this since at least last week. But saying it during his acceptance speech solidifies it as a serious priority—and Biden was very clear that it would be.

"If I'm your president, on day one we'll have a national mask mandate," Biden told Americans last night, calling it part of "a patriotic duty to protect one another."

Generally speaking, mask wearing is good and mask mandates from the government are not. And if they do happen, it's much better that they occur at the local level, where leaders can respond to the varying needs and issues of their own communities.

Biden didn't say what exactly his national mask mandate would entail. (Withholding federal funds from states that don't enforce mandates seems the likely route.) But any national approach to when and where people across the whole country should wear face coverings is unlikely to be politically popular or as effective for public health.

The biggest problem with a federal mask mandate is that it requires enforcement.

That means either turning federal agents to the task of monitoring mask wearing or giving more funds to state and local police departments so they can do so. No matter how it's accomplished, there's no way that doesn't lead to more spending on law enforcement, more government surveillance, and more contact between cops and communities that are already overpoliced—all at a moment when millions of Americans are demanding just the opposite of that.

 

[Howe]

Anyone who believes cheap non medical grade masks from China are protecting them from the coronavirus lacks common sense.

I have already stated the manufacturing plant where I work employs over 1,000 union workers where 80-90% refuse to wear masks or social distance. I observe hundreds of people every day playing cards at picnic tables during their break and lunch periods. They sit across from one another in groups of four. No one is more than two feet from the other three and no one is wearing a mask. This has been going on since the company initiated a mandatory mask policy 3 months ago yet our plant has had no further spread of the coronavirus.

[Muda69]

17 hours ago, Howe said:

Anyone who believes cheap non medical grade masks from China are protecting them from the coronavirus lacks common sense.

I have already stated the manufacturing plant where I work employs over 1,000 union workers where 80-90% refuse to wear masks or social distance. I observe hundreds of people every day playing cards at picnic tables during their break and lunch periods. They sit across from one another in groups of four. No one is more than two feet from the other three and no one is wearing a mask. This has been going on since the company initiated a mandatory mask policy 3 months ago yet our plant has had no further spread of the coronavirus.

Just luck I guess?

 

[Howe]

14 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Just luck I guess?

 

It would be interesting to have coronavirus antibody tests conducted on all of the workforce. We know at least five people tested positive on two seperate occassions. I often wonder if herd immunity has occurred. Our workforce has worked a bunch of hours each week since the coronavirus outbreak and the union workers absolutely will not wear masks or social distance.

[DanteEstonia]

39 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

interesting.............pretty darn good success rate with prediction of presidential elections.  91% winning prediction for Trump.

https://www.kltv.com/2020/08/21/prolific-predictor-elections-says-trump-wins-landslide/

 

 

That is some powerful crack that guy is smoking if he really thinks NY is going GOP.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/allan-lichtman-presidential-election-accurate-prediction-trump-biden/

 

[swordfish]

Anyone else find it interesting that Pelosi called the House back from vacation to vote to fund something that can't be fixed, but has of yet failed and continues to fail to find a compromise to vote on the latest round of Covid relief (that really shouldn't be necessary)....

[DanteEstonia]

10 hours ago, swordfish said:

Anyone else find it interesting that Pelosi called the House back from vacation to vote to fund something that can't be fixed, but has of yet failed and continues to fail to find a compromise to vote on the latest round of Covid relief (that really shouldn't be necessary)....

Do you fund the retirement for all of your employees 50 years in advance?

[Howe]

 

[Muda69]

Joe Biden, A Moral Colossus

https://spectator.org/joe-biden-a-moral-colossus/

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Norman Mailer used to say when he was upright that Americans tend to admire their politicians, if for nothing else, for getting older. That I think explains the nomination for president of the United States of former Vice President Joe Biden. He did not only get older, he got ancient. He is almost an antique.

If he is elected president this autumn, he will be the oldest man to ever be elected. He will come into the White House even older than Ronald Reagan was when Reagan left office. The American people watched President Reagan struggle with colon cancer, skin cancer, a prostrate operation, and an intermittent hobbling in his right leg, to say nothing of an assassin’s bullet. I called the Old Cowboy one tough hombre. His Democratic opponents called him a boob. So did the mainstream media. Through President Reagan’s economic revival of the country and victory in the Cold War the Democrats still called him a boob. So did the media. President Reagan’s enemies call the winner of the Cold War and the reviver of the American economy a boob. What do they call Joe Biden?

Well, the Democrats could call him a plagiarist. He has been caught plagiarizing many times. Most famously he plagiarized from a speech given by the British politician Neil Kinnock. That instance of thievery forced him to pull out of the 1988 race for the White House. He also plagiarized from the work of Robert Kennedy and John Kennedy. More recently Joe plagiarized, we are told by Reagan speech writer Ken Khachigian, from a speech given by Ronald Reagan years ago. Joe has also been called gaffable. He is the most gaffe-prone politician in modern times. Finally, he has been called a cheat. Starting with his law schoolwork back the 1960s and going right up to recent years in his dealings with the Russians, he has been called a cheat. Joe, a proven plagiarist and a cheat, is now running for president as a moral paragon. How is the thing possible?

Last week the Democrats, in convention assembled — or should we say, in convention disassembled — nominated him to lead their ticket in the contest for the highest office in the land. As Norman used to say, the American people admire their politicians, if for nothing else, for getting older. Given his age alone, Joe might well be the most admired politician in America.

Yet I think he is going to lose. The country is wracked by protests. They are occurring, as Donald Trump reminds us, mostly in blue-state municipalities: in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Portland, Portland, Portland, night after night Portland. The scenes we are seeing are of looting — the “protesters” bring rent-all trucks right up to the gutted stores. This has never been witnessed in America before. The “protesters” loot giant department stores, and they loot stores owned by the little fellows. This is presumably called looting for social justice. They burn churches. They topple statues. Frederick Douglass, George Washington, even the man who beat the Confederacy, Ulysses S. Grant.

One of their rallying calls is “defunding the police.” The cities are overrun by rampant crime — looting, murder, and violence — and their mayors claim that they will pacify the cities by cutting back on police forces. There is a whiff of 1920s Weimar to this.

At the Democratic convention last week not one word about the chaos in the streets was uttered. No word about the statues being destroyed. No word about the rioting in the streets. Nothing about the poor people who have lost their stores and in some instances their lives. This in itself is amazing. I thought the Democrats were the party of compassion and caring. The Democrats opened their hearts to George Floyd. Why did they not also open their hearts to David Dorn, the retired police officer who was guarding a friend’s pawn shop from looters when he was shot dead, or any of the other victims of criminal violence?

Now the Democrats expect to elect the gaffable Joe Biden — a proven plagiarist, a cheat, and, this comes with his profile, a liar — to the highest office in the land. I think not. Joe will be defeated November 3. I expressed similar sentiments about Hillary Clinton in 2016. Was I wrong?

My only question is, who will the Democrats blame their defeat on this time? They might as well blame the protesters in the street.

They'll blame some sort of nefarious plot cooked up by Mr. Trump.

 

[Muda69]

Pelosi says there shouldn't be any debates between Biden and Trump

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/513944-pelosi-says-there-shouldnt-be-presidential-debates-in-2020

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday she doesn’t think there should be any presidential debates ahead of the November election, arguing Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden shouldn't "legitimize" a discussion with President Trump.

“I don’t think that there should be any debates,” Pelosi told reporters. “I do not think that the president of the United States has comported himself in a way that anybody has any association with truth, evidence, data and facts.”

“I wouldn’t legitimize a conversation with him nor a debate in terms of the presidency of the United States,” she added. 

....

Well you new it was coming......................

 

[Bobref]

2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Pelosi says there shouldn't be any debates between Biden and Trump

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/513944-pelosi-says-there-shouldnt-be-presidential-debates-in-2020

Well you new it was coming......................

 

I think Biden might be going to his “prevent “ defense with a lot of time left on the clock.

[Howe]