1A Tournament Discussion

[Daniel_Bragg]

35 minutes ago, BendNotBreak said:

Yup

I never said "them people".  Also, do not take my feelings on athletics and private schools as me "not being for private schools".  I absolutely have zero issue with private education.  However, when it comes to athletics, it's a whole different conversation.  I honestly, outside of fandom, don't have a dog in the fight, since my offspring is homeschooled.

[hondo17]

Can anyone tell me the story on Taylor? I know #12 missed a good portion of their season but how did they barely beat Blackhawk and North White. 

[BendNotBreak]

1 hour ago, Daniel_Bragg said:

I never said "them people".  Also, do not take my feelings on athletics and private schools as me "not being for private schools".  I absolutely have zero issue with private education.  However, when it comes to athletics, it's a whole different conversation.  I honestly, outside of fandom, don't have a dog in the fight, since my offspring is homeschooled.

My mistake... 

11/17/2023 at 4:16 PM, Daniel_Bragg said:

Absolutely no trash talking has occurred, yet Lutheran fans choose to do it. Can't wait for you people to be out of 1A. 

[BendNotBreak]

14 minutes ago, BendNotBreak said:

My mistake... 

11/17/2023 at 4:16 PM, Daniel_Bragg said:

Absolutely no trash talking has occurred, yet Lutheran fans choose to do it. Can't wait for you people to be out of 1A. 

The SF appears to be working ... could use some tweaking... apparently u wont be happy till all .. U People .. r out ... including kids that hav no chance of winning a 1A title.. well ... alrighty then...

[Tippy]

9 hours ago, BendNotBreak said:

My mistake... 

11/17/2023 at 4:16 PM, Daniel_Bragg said:

Absolutely no trash talking has occurred, yet Lutheran fans choose to do it. Can't wait for you people to be out of 1A. 

I'm sure Lutheran is glad to be out of 1A.  There are not that many good teams left in 1A that could give Lutheran a game.  Adams Central, South Putnam and Providence gave Lutheran a good game in the tournament last year.  Adams Central is in 2A, Lutheran beat South Putnam 34-12 early in the year, and I don't know if Providence could hang with Lutheran this year or not.

[WWFan]

10 hours ago, Tippy said:

I'm sure Lutheran is glad to be out of 1A.  There are not that many good teams left in 1A that could give Lutheran a game.  Adams Central, South Putnam and Providence gave Lutheran a good game in the tournament last year.  Adams Central is in 2A, Lutheran beat South Putnam 34-12 early in the year, and I don't know if Providence could hang with Lutheran this year or not.

I do not think they can. Watched em a few times this year including this past week. Think Providence is good but definitely not what they were last year. Just my opinion. Think South Putnam wins south. 

[JQWL]

18 hours ago, Tippy said:

I'm sure Lutheran is glad to be out of 1A.  There are not that many good teams left in 1A that could give Lutheran a game.  Adams Central, South Putnam and Providence gave Lutheran a good game in the tournament last year.  Adams Central is in 2A, Lutheran beat South Putnam 34-12 early in the year, and I don't know if Providence could hang with Lutheran this year or not.

Do you think Lutheran will opt to remain in 2A when the 2 year cycle is up?

[kdets89]

1 hour ago, JQWL said:

Do you think Lutheran will opt to remain in 2A when the 2 year cycle is up?

Probably won't have a choice.

[WWFan]

36 minutes ago, kdets89 said:

Probably won't have a choice.

If someone ends up 2 classes up and then never makes it out of sectional do they drop 1 class or back to original?

[Daniel_Bragg]

1 hour ago, WWFan said:

If someone ends up 2 classes up and then never makes it out of sectional do they drop 1 class or back to original?

I believe they move down 1 class.

This is the rule as stated:
c. After participation in the same larger enrollment classification for Two (2) years, a School achieving a Two (2) year total tournament series success point value of Two (2) points or below in a specific sport shall be placed in the classification immediately below the Enrollment classification the School occupied during the previous two (2) year cycle unless the Enrollment of the School dictates the same or higher classification previously occupied in that sport.

Edited October 27, 2024 by Daniel_Bragg

[Daniel_Bragg]

22 hours ago, Tippy said:

I'm sure Lutheran is glad to be out of 1A.  There are not that many good teams left in 1A that could give Lutheran a game.  Adams Central, South Putnam and Providence gave Lutheran a good game in the tournament last year.  Adams Central is in 2A, Lutheran beat South Putnam 34-12 early in the year, and I don't know if Providence could hang with Lutheran this year or not.

My bad.  I get heated some times.  Also, that comment was likely directed at several individuals specifically, and not all private schools as a whole.  Either way, I should never have phrased it that way.

[Lemmy]

On 10/25/2024 at 11:28 PM, hondo17 said:

Can anyone tell me the story on Taylor? I know #12 missed a good portion of their season but how did they barely beat Blackhawk and North White. 

How did they barely beat the Sheridan Blackhawks?  Sheridan is down a little but is still a pretty good team that will probably win their sectional.  That was a really good win for Taylor.  As far as North White, I don't know specific details but my understanding is they had some mistakes in red zone and blew some assignments on defense that made game closer than it should have been, but ultimately that was game 1 with new coach so not a true picture.  

[Jays]

My apologies, I should've titled this Lutheran and other private schools.....

[WWFan]

45 minutes ago, Lemmy said:

How did they barely beat the Sheridan Blackhawks?  Sheridan is down a little but is still a pretty good team that will probably win their sectional.  That was a really good win for Taylor.  As far as North White, I don't know specific details but my understanding is they had some mistakes in red zone and blew some assignments on defense that made game closer than it should have been, but ultimately that was game 1 with new coach so not a true picture.  

Think he meant Fort Wayne Blackhawk. 

[BendNotBreak]

On 10/26/2024 at 10:35 AM, Tippy said:

I'm sure Lutheran is glad to be out of 1A.  There are not that many good teams left in 1A that could give Lutheran a game.  Adams Central, South Putnam and Providence gave Lutheran a good game in the tournament last year.  Adams Central is in 2A, Lutheran beat South Putnam 34-12 early in the year, and I don't know if Providence could hang with Lutheran this year or not.

Judson??

[Tippy]

10 minutes ago, BendNotBreak said:

Judson??

 The way Lutheran took apart Heritage Christian 49-7, I don't think North Judson could beat them this year.  We will never know because Lutheran is in 2A.

[foxbat]

On 10/27/2024 at 7:14 AM, kdets89 said:

Probably won't have a choice.

Going to end up going the Scecina and Linton route and probably the Adams Central route?  SF'd, then grew into it?

[foxbat]

On 10/27/2024 at 7:52 AM, WWFan said:

If someone ends up 2 classes up and then never makes it out of sectional do they drop 1 class or back to original?

With the new rule, they could make it out of sectionals two years and still end up moving down.  New rule, which I think is a mistake, now requires 3 points to stay up.

[WWFan]

2 minutes ago, foxbat said:

With the new rule, they could make it out of sectionals two years and still end up moving down.  New rule, which I think is a mistake, now requires 3 points to stay up.

So if LCC per say goes to 3A but after 2 years doesn't get enough they go back down 2A or all the way back to 1A (assuming the enrollment hasn't skyrocketed)

[romneypirates]

I was impressed with Carroll’s passing game against frontier.  Soccer kid has added a new dimension.  Two good receivers to worry about it appears 

[BendNotBreak]

3 hours ago, Lemmy said:

How did they barely beat the Sheridan Blackhawks?  Sheridan is down a little but is still a pretty good team that will probably win their sectional.  That was a really good win for Taylor.  As far as North White, I don't know specific details but my understanding is they had some mistakes in red zone and blew some assignments on defense that made game closer than it should have been, but ultimately that was game 1 with new coach so not a true picture.  

Here ya go...

 

https://readthereporter.com/blackhawks-drop-their-first-conference-game-of-the-season-to-taylor/

[foxbat]

On 10/25/2024 at 12:07 PM, WestfieldRocks said:

Because all of the 1A privates have been success factored up 🙂

It's interesting that folks seem to be saying this, but it's not accurate.  Only seems that way because the traditional idea that ALL privates have ALL the advantage and dominate, especially in 1A is a little more nuanced than a bumper sticker.

Still a few remaining in 1A:

• Providence (9-0 currently) - Still in it.  May have a shot, but more likely than not to be eliminated by South Putnam if not earlier. 
• Greenwood Christian (7-3) - Just got eliminated last week in first round by Eastern Green, a public school.
• Fort Wayne Blackhawk Christian (1-8) - Just got eliminated last week in first round by North Miami, a public school.
• Faith Christian (2-5) - Not eligible for post-season.  Given that they lost 68-0 to 3-7 Clinton Central, I'll go out on a limb and say, if they were eligible for post-season, they would have been eliminated last week.

Also some homeschools that are in there, but not eligible for tourney and would last long if they did.  A couple of charters in there too.  Bowman's 0-10 and eliminated in first round by 3-7 North Newton who has two of their wins courtesy of Bowman.  Irvington Prep is 0-8 including a first-round exit, 60-0, at the hands of now 5-5 Clinton Central. 

[foxbat]

31 minutes ago, WWFan said:

So if LCC per say goes to 3A but after 2 years doesn't get enough they go back down 2A or all the way back to 1A (assuming the enrollment hasn't skyrocketed)

Drop down to 2A first, then back down to 1A if they get tripped up in 2A on the way down ... assuming they kept their 1A enrollment.  If not, they would go the way of folks like Linton and Scecina that went up, didn't get enough points, but by the time reclassification rolled around they had enrollment growth that kept them in their SF'd class.

[kdets89]

46 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Going to end up going the Scecina and Linton route and probably the Adams Central route?  SF'd, then grew into it?

Enrollment isn't growing that fast.  Currently still in the bottom-third of 1A by enrollment.

[foxbat]

Just now, kdets89 said:

Enrollment isn't growing that fast.  Currently still in the bottom-third of 1A by enrollment.

So it'll be the earlier Scecina route?  School admin will likely keep them there. 

Scecina was, at one time, back in the early 1990s I believe, 2A back-to-back state champs.  When enrollment dipped, they decided to stay in 2A despite the size, but eventually moved back to 1A.  Enrollment ended up on the rise again, but not before they were SF'd into 2A after dropping two 1A state championship games in a row to LCC, who was also part of that first SF class.  Scecina's enrollment continued upward and, by the time of next reclassification, they were big enough to remain in 2A on enrollment alone.  Up until this last cycle, Scecina was the only program that was SF'd that did not have a blue ring in the process of getting SF'd.  Adams Central has now joined them in that distinction.