End of Danville-Brebeuf game

[Viktor]

25 minutes ago, JustRules said:

If you are referring to one that brought back a TD near the end of regulation, that was a foul because the inside receiver was covered up by the wide guy. If he was supposed to be off then they were guilty of an illegal formation because he would have been the 5th in the backfield. The H dropped a flag back toward the LOS and then signaled to the R it was ineligible downfield. There must have been a brief discussion that resulted in the correct call of illegal touching when the R realized the covered receiver downfield was the one who caught the ball. Good job the crew on that play to get the right call. The yardage enforcement is the same, but illegal touching also caries a loss of down which they did.

I hear ya, JustRules, but would tend to disagree. The announcer also described the play as you did, but the "catcher", #13, who made a brilliant catch (long throw but not a TD), was the only player split right. The 3 split left appeared to be OK, butg not clearly shown on the screen. The right tackle attacked his man downfield (for some reason), so my guess is that the call was on him, though he was making contact with the defender which I thought (at least in the old days) made it legal for him to be downfield on a pass play, so, overall, either I'm confused/wrong or it was a bad call.

[Yuccaguy]

1 minute ago, Viktor said:

I hear ya, JustRules, but would tend to disagree. The announcer also described the play as you did, but the "catcher", #13, who made a brilliant catch (long throw but not a TD), was the only player split right. The 3 split left appeared to be OK, butg not clearly shown on the screen. The right tackle attacked his man downfield (for some reason), so my guess is that the call was on him, though he was making contact with the defender which I thought (at least in the old days) made it legal for him to be downfield on a pass play, so, overall, either I'm confused/wrong or it was a bad call.

You were "confused" the receiver was covered up.  The other penalty (not called according to you) really wasn't relevant to the play.  

[JustRules]

3 minutes ago, Viktor said:

I hear ya, JustRules, but would tend to disagree. The announcer also described the play as you did, but the "catcher", #13, who made a brilliant catch (long throw but not a TD), was the only player split right. The 3 split left appeared to be OK, butg not clearly shown on the screen. The right tackle attacked his man downfield (for some reason), so my guess is that the call was on him, though he was making contact with the defender which I thought (at least in the old days) made it legal for him to be downfield on a pass play, so, overall, either I'm confused/wrong or it was a bad call.

We must be talking about a different play. This was in the last minute when Danville down 35-28. The guy who caught the TD was the #2 receiver from the top side. The announcers thought it was illegal touching because he had stepped out of bounds, but he clearly didn't do that. He was covered which is why the H originally signaled ineligible downfield. But they correctly ruled illegal touching, 5 yards previous spot and loss of down.

[JustRules]

33 minutes ago, Viktor said:

1. Not sure why Brebeuf had to re-kick the final PAT even though the penalty was apparently (?) on Danville.

2. Throughout  the night, the head official seemed to be talking into a mic and hitting buttons to turn it on and off(?). Not sure who he was communicating with or if he thought the crowd or TV audience could hear him, or if there were technical difficulties. (It was kinda frustrating as a fan cuz there were several conferences yet we never really seemed to know what was going on.)

3. Seemed like many (all?) of the refs had ear pieces. Is that something new? Were they communicating amongst themselves?

They had to rekick the try because encroachment is a dead ball foul prior to the snap so the snap never happened. The referee made a mistake when he initially signaled the foul, declination, and then that the try was good. Someone corrected him quickly and he made an updated signal that included replaying the try.

Your 2nd and 3rd questions go together. Most crews have radios to communicate with each other. He was queueing his mic to ask for clarification from a member of his crew. The ear pieces are attached to the radio obviously. It can be a great form of efficient communication for the crew during dead ball periods. Many crews have been using radios probably for 6 or 8 years or more. Definitely not new.

[Viktor]

7 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

You were "confused" the receiver was covered up.  The other penalty (not called according to you) really wasn't relevant to the play.  

 

6 minutes ago, JustRules said:

We must be talking about a different play. This was in the last minute when Danville down 35-28. The guy who caught the TD was the #2 receiver from the top side. The announcers thought it was illegal touching because he had stepped out of bounds, but he clearly didn't do that. He was covered which is why the H originally signaled ineligible downfield. But they correctly ruled illegal touching, 5 yards previous spot and loss of down.

Thanks, my bad - I was talking about the wrong play AND the other team!

[Yuccaguy]

1 minute ago, Viktor said:

 

Thanks, my bad - I was talking about the wrong play AND the other team!

So did you just "watch" the broadcast. OR were you at the (BJHS/Danville) game?  

[JustRules]

4 hours ago, Lemmy said:

I'm not a ref, but it seems to me discretion should have dictated no flag because it had no affect at all on the play.  Basically, everyone would agree if the offense runs a sweep right and the left tackle grabs some jersey on the left end, generally this is not going to be called.  If the defensive coach questioned the hold, he would likely be told "I could call holding on every play if I wanted to" by the ref, but that had no affect.  The same discretion should have applied here, there was no advantage gained by the kids accidentally coming onto the field early. 

We see from video that the players coming off the bench didn't get close enough to participate or influence the play. But in the heat of the moment as the play unfolded, the official who saw them come off (assume the U based on the discussion) may not have been able to ascertain exactly how close they got, because he's also focused on the action in the middle of the field. Or from his perspective they were close enough, and he was hoping to get confirmation from his crew. At that point in their discussion they can only rely on what their eyes told their brain and they can recall. This can sometimes be so much easier when viewing multiple times on video from the comfort of the couch.

6 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

So did you just "watch" the broadcast. OR were you at the (BJHS/Danville) game?  

I believe there were multiple instances where there were ineligible players downfield so it's understandable he got crossed on the play I was talking about.

Edited October 30, 2024 by JustRules

[Viktor]

58 minutes ago, JustRules said:

They had to rekick the try because encroachment is a dead ball foul prior to the snap so the snap never happened. The referee made a mistake when he initially signaled the foul, declination, and then that the try was good. Someone corrected him quickly and he made an updated signal that included replaying the try.

Your 2nd and 3rd questions go together. Most crews have radios to communicate with each other. He was queueing his mic to ask for clarification from a member of his crew. The ear pieces are attached to the radio obviously. It can be a great form of efficient communication for the crew during dead ball periods. Many crews have been using radios probably for 6 or 8 years or more. Definitely not new.

Thanks! Seems like in the pros (maybe h.s. different?), they get a "free play" when the defense is off sides, whereas it is blown dead when the offense is.(?)

[Yuccaguy]

7 minutes ago, Viktor said:

Thanks! Seems like in the pros (maybe h.s. different?), they get a "free play" when the defense is off sides, whereas it is blown dead when the offense is.(?)

Defensive offsides is ALWAYS blown dead in HS.

[Coach Nowlin]

5 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

 

I already know @Coach Nowlin is a master at the begging for a flag with those flowing locks he has! Surely he will know I am kidding.

MY GUY !!!    🙂 

and also, don't call me Shirley 

[Bobref]

7 hours ago, RegionFBFan said:

Does anyone know if this crew gets advanced to next round game?

They did not.

[JustRules]

4 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

Defensive offsides is ALWAYS blown dead in HS.

And it's not called offsides in high school. It's encroachment. Several fouls that are considered live ball fouls in NCAA or NFL prevent the ball from being snapped or free kicked in HS.

[FastpacedO]

13 hours ago, Viktor said:

I went to the game and recall both teams lined up on the 50, ready to proceed with the handshakes, but the handshakes never took place.

I did not go to the game. I can only go by the broadcast I have watched a few times. https://www.ihsaatv.org/?B=1460710

3:27:03 - Danville HC starts his sprint to the Brebeuf sideline to extend hands to shake (not both teams). Mind you officials have not ended the game.

3:27:20 - shows Brebeuf players still on their sideline.

3:27:42 - Shows 4 officials huddled up (they have not signaled the end of the contest regardless what coaches and players are doing). Brebeuf HC stand about 3 yards away distance headset in hand watching the officials huddle.

3:27:49 - Danville HC headed towards the officials huddle. Brebeuf Players still appear on their side of the field. Officisl still have not signaled the end of the contest.

3:28:05 - Both Danville and Brebeuf HC much closer to the officials huddle. Danville HC visibly talking to the officials in the huddle as one raises his hand to stop him from talking and another starts to back anyone near the officials huddle off. Officials stll have not signaled the end of the contest.

3:28:47 - Officials discussion has ended and they have now thrown the flag.

3:29:00 - 2 Officials discuss with the Danville HC.

3:29:21 - Danville HC looks visibly not happy pointing at and staring down what I assume is the Brebeuf AD (not HC) walking backwards. There might have been words shared between the Danville HC and Brebeuf AD just prior to that while they were slightly off camera.

Having watched the broadcast while the officials were huddled it looked as though the Danville HC was doing more talking towards the officials than Brebeuf coaches. Which is why I found the comments by the Danville HC that they felt the officials were influenced by the Brebeuf coaches odd. Coaches on a sideline begging for a flag happens all the time and I doubt it influences many officials. I don't slight Danville's HC for being upset mad or anything that is just human nature and he has that right. The passive aggressive comments/statements are a little disappointing and the only issue I have. I don't fault him, his players, the players parents, the fans/community for being upset at all.

[FastpacedO]

9 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

MY GUY !!!    🙂 

and also, don't call me Shirley 

[tango]

I thought it was odd the way the Danville coach ran across the field to shake hands. Never seen that before. 

[Coach Nowlin]

I will say this and goes for both sides

Until you're in those moments as an competitor (coach) or participant (player) you don't know how you will respond 

Football is a very emotional game, especially in this type of game,  Danville down 3 touchdowns, comes storming back, BJ makes a wild lateral play, goes to OT, then a stop, but not a stop, and all that.   

I don't fault Danville rushing the field and getting to the other side to shake hands, don't blame the BJ assistant coaches trying to alert officials, to cast judgments about how you would act, or what you would say IMMEDIATELY after something like this happens ..... cmon man, if you watched all the way to the end of the game, and camera was still rolling, you could see Coach Comer trying to keep it collected then you watch him walk away very emotional (rightfully so) and just literally drops to his knees .......    

Coaches and players even in HS are not robots, so much time goes into this profession even at the HS level, to cast statements such as, I am glad he wasn't my coach making those statements about life lessons, etc etc is odd to me.   Until you're in those situations then you won't know how you react or what you say in those moments IMMEDIATELY after your heart is ripped out.    That was important for me to say 

 

[jets]

3 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

I did not go to the game. I can only go by the broadcast I have watched a few times. https://www.ihsaatv.org/?B=1460710

3:27:03 - Danville HC starts his sprint to the Brebeuf sideline to extend hands to shake (not both teams). Mind you officials have not ended the game.

3:27:20 - shows Brebeuf players still on their sideline.

3:27:42 - Shows 4 officials huddled up (they have not signaled the end of the contest regardless what coaches and players are doing). Brebeuf HC stand about 3 yards away distance headset in hand watching the officials huddle.

3:27:49 - Danville HC headed towards the officials huddle. Brebeuf Players still appear on their side of the field. Officisl still have not signaled the end of the contest.

3:28:05 - Both Danville and Brebeuf HC much closer to the officials huddle. Danville HC visibly talking to the officials in the huddle as one raises his hand to stop him from talking and another starts to back anyone near the officials huddle off. Officials stll have not signaled the end of the contest.

3:28:47 - Officials discussion has ended and they have now thrown the flag.

3:29:00 - 2 Officials discuss with the Danville HC.

3:29:21 - Danville HC looks visibly not happy pointing at and staring down what I assume is the Brebeuf AD (not HC) walking backwards. There might have been words shared between the Danville HC and Brebeuf AD just prior to that while they were slightly off camera.

Having watched the broadcast while the officials were huddled it looked as though the Danville HC was doing more talking towards the officials than Brebeuf coaches. Which is why I found the comments by the Danville HC that they felt the officials were influenced by the Brebeuf coaches odd. Coaches on a sideline begging for a flag happens all the time and I doubt it influences many officials. I don't slight Danville's HC for being upset mad or anything that is just human nature and he has that right. The passive aggressive comments/statements are a little disappointing and the only issue I have. I don't fault him, his players, the players parents, the fans/community for being upset at all.

WOW - breaking it down Zapruder film style! 

[RegionFBFan]

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I will say this and goes for both sides

Until you're in those moments as an competitor (coach) or participant (player) you don't know how you will respond 

Football is a very emotional game, especially in this type of game,  Danville down 3 touchdowns, comes storming back, BJ makes a wild lateral play, goes to OT, then a stop, but not a stop, and all that.   

I don't fault Danville rushing the field and getting to the other side to shake hands, don't blame the BJ assistant coaches trying to alert officials, to cast judgments about how you would act, or what you would say IMMEDIATELY after something like this happens ..... cmon man, if you watched all the way to the end of the game, and camera was still rolling, you could see Coach Comer trying to keep it collected then you watch him walk away very emotional (rightfully so) and just literally drops to his knees .......    

Coaches and players even in HS are not robots, so much time goes into this profession even at the HS level, to cast statements such as, I am glad he wasn't my coach making those statements about life lessons, etc etc is odd to me.   Until you're in those situations then you won't know how you react or what you say in those moments IMMEDIATELY after your heart is ripped out.    That was important for me to say 

 

Amen Coach! 100% in agreement with you!!

[FastpacedO]

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I will say this and goes for both sides

Until you're in those moments as an competitor (coach) or participant (player) you don't know how you will respond 

Football is a very emotional game, especially in this type of game,  Danville down 3 touchdowns, comes storming back, BJ makes a wild lateral play, goes to OT, then a stop, but not a stop, and all that.   

I don't fault Danville rushing the field and getting to the other side to shake hands, don't blame the BJ assistant coaches trying to alert officials, to cast judgments about how you would act, or what you would say IMMEDIATELY after something like this happens ..... cmon man, if you watched all the way to the end of the game, and camera was still rolling, you could see Coach Comer trying to keep it collected then you watch him walk away very emotional (rightfully so) and just literally drops to his knees .......    

Coaches and players even in HS are not robots, so much time goes into this profession even at the HS level, to cast statements such as, I am glad he wasn't my coach making those statements about life lessons, etc etc is odd to me.   Until you're in those situations then you won't know how you react or what you say in those moments IMMEDIATELY after your heart is ripped out.    That was important for me to say 

 

I'll be honest I think on the field in the heat of the game he handled himself extremely well. The emotions were definitely high and from what I have seen was handled as professionally as could be. I just was a little stunned with some of teh comments here and there and some I did not agree with.

 

I already know what to expect from you @Coach Nowlin just a little under Eastbound and Down excitement.

In all seriousness Coach Comer had a night that most HC's will never encounter. It totally stinks but he will rebound from it

[WarriorFan123]

Guess it's ok to be on the field DURING a play if you coach for Brebeuf.   This is AFTER a sideline warning was given.   

[Bobref]

4 minutes ago, WarriorFan123 said:

Guess it's ok to be on the field DURING a play if you coach for Brebeuf.   This is AFTER a sideline warning was given.   

Strictly from a rules standpoint, a sideline warning and a coach being on the field are two unrelated situations governed by different rules with different penalties. So, I guess I don’t get your point.

[WarriorFan123]

16 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Strictly from a rules standpoint, a sideline warning and a coach being on the field are two unrelated situations governed by different rules with different penalties. So, I guess I don’t get your point.

Of course you don't - you're a ref apologist and probably would have made the exact same asinine decision that the moron doing this game did.

But let me help - Danville had a game stolen from them because of PLAYERS being on the field "during a play" which was after a whistle blew and Brebeuf kids took their helmets off.  This head coach is on the field during that SAME EXACT PLAY.  I guess only one side gets called for "illegal participation"

Save your bs - everyone knows the parochial schools get favoritism and always have

 

Edited October 31, 2024 by WarriorFan123

[Bullhorn99]

23 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Strictly from a rules standpoint, a sideline warning and a coach being on the field are two unrelated situations governed by different rules with different penalties. So, I guess I don’t get your point.

Should this have been a "Coach on the Field" penalty and an immediate 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty call? I looked it up out of curiosity and that's all I could find.

[Bullhorn99]

9 minutes ago, WarriorFan123 said:

Save your bs - everyone knows the parochial schools get favoritism and always have

 

I don't think that Brebeuf is a parochial school.

[Sledge]

18 minutes ago, WarriorFan123 said:

Of course you don't - you're a ref apologist and probably would have made the exact same asinine decision that the moron doing this game did.

But let me help - Danville had a game stolen from them because of PLAYERS being on the field "during a play" which was after a whistle blew and Brebeuf kids took their helmets off.  This head coach is on the field during that SAME EXACT PLAY.  I guess only one side gets called for "illegal participation"

Save your bs - everyone knows the parochial schools get favoritism and always have

 

What're the chances the IP Address of this account links directly to the Danville HS computer lab